LimitbreakerKrillin wrote:Gogeta regains his old widows peak in this scene. I think I will always prefer this design over the one that is more in line with Shintani's character sheet, simply because you can split his face vertically and can see Vegeta's face on the left side and Goku's on the right.
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What crazy fan theories are people talking about when saying this?
Pretty sure he just means that if you cover up the left (Gogeta's left) side of his face, it looks like Vegeta because there's no bang and a widow's peak. But if you cover up the other side, he looks like Goku because of the bang.
TheSaiyanGod wrote:
Kefla base defeated an extremely tired Goku SSG, and only Goku SSB (equally tired) was able to match the Kefla SSJ Berserker. She is not even close
And Broly did not defeat Goku SSG in base form, we know he was using another form, with yellow eyes with pupils and with larger muscles
fatigue atrophies the transformation but not enough so that the difference is abysmal.
but at least goku uses the Blueken and the UI against kefla but he will not use with broly
worse yet .. if you can not use it in base
The fact that SSB Goku extremely tired was able to rival SSJ Kefla and just used the Blue Kaioken to end the fight before he ran out of energy shows that yes, the difference was quite considerable.
The power up of SSJ Berserker made Kale able to face Goku SSG, and even so after transforming into SSB (tired), Goku was able to rival Kefla transformed (though Kefla base was defeating the SSG), showing that the power up of Blue is much higher.t
where he says that the difference is so great goku can maintain a fight and also the transformation despite the fatigue but still can double the blueken is still a great power
besides that I use the "UI omen" against kelfa
Miracles wrote:
Tai Lung wrote:everything seems to indicate that broly and kefla have a similar level
Miracles wrote:
Broly's motivation wasn't Kakarot's crying. His motive as the Legendary destructive Super Saiyan was simply choas and he took it on with a smile.
Come on, the whole victimization skit is played out too. At least the evil chaos embracing character fits the role of legendary Super Saiyan.
all this falls apart when he loses control by the "crying" of goten, believing that it is kakarot there is no way to excuse that
Paragus in movie 8 already revealed Broly's intentions when he told Vegeta, Broly won't be content unless the entire universe is destroyed.
Baby Kakarot making infant Broly cry is part of the destined encounter the two would have down the line with Goku again, coming out on top.
You're movie 10 example of Goten reminding Broly of Goku's crying only connected it with his recent defeat by Goku [Going back to the destiny tie-in theme]. Broly was just a straight up menace.
It seems to me that the above analogous there is no mention to that you only suppose.
broly was quite obsessed with kakarot in a ridiculous way because he cried a lot, goku was not stronger than him and did not even know him. his determination to want to kill he does not really have any logic
broly is inconsistent in his actions once saved his father when he was a baby but then after years decides to kill, what I said the guy is crazy
in the second movie he seems to have no reasoning whatsoever to say that. in fact he confuses goten with goku
LimitbreakerKrillin wrote:Gogeta regains his old widows peak in this scene. I think I will always prefer this design over the one that is more in line with Shintani's character sheet, simply because you can split his face vertically and can see Vegeta's face on the left side and Goku's on the right.
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What crazy fan theories are people talking about when saying this?
Pretty sure he just means that if you cover up the left (Gogeta's left) side of his face, it looks like Vegeta because there's no bang and a widow's peak. But if you cover up the other side, he looks like Goku because of the bang.
JazzMazz wrote:What crazy fan theories are people talking about when saying this?
Pretty sure he just means that if you cover up the left (Gogeta's left) side of his face, it looks like Vegeta because there's no bang and a widow's peak. But if you cover up the other side, he looks like Goku because of the bang.
My mind is blown by the way LimitbreakerKrillin.
But, thats just complete bullshit?
It's not? It kind of does look like one or the other if you split the face in half. No one is saying it's artist's intentions or anything. It's just kind of how it looks.
Forte224 wrote:
Pretty sure he just means that if you cover up the left (Gogeta's left) side of his face, it looks like Vegeta because there's no bang and a widow's peak. But if you cover up the other side, he looks like Goku because of the bang.
My mind is blown by the way LimitbreakerKrillin.
But, thats just complete bullshit?
It's not? It kind of does look like one or the other if you split the face in half. No one is saying it's artist's intentions or anything. It's just kind of how it looks.
It totally is though.
Its purely a figment of peoples imagination, hell, I wouldn't even say there is a real difference between the halves of the face beyond slight a-symmetry which is common among every artist and animators work on the series.
Tai Lung wrote:everything seems to indicate that broly and kefla have a similar level
all this falls apart when he loses control by the "crying" of goten, believing that it is kakarot there is no way to excuse that
Paragus in movie 8 already revealed Broly's intentions when he told Vegeta, Broly won't be content unless the entire universe is destroyed.
Baby Kakarot making infant Broly cry is part of the destined encounter the two would have down the line with Goku again, coming out on top.
You're movie 10 example of Goten reminding Broly of Goku's crying only connected it with his recent defeat by Goku [Going back to the destiny tie-in theme]. Broly was just a straight up menace.
It seems to me that the above analogous there is no mention to that you only suppose.
broly was quite obsessed with kakarot in a ridiculous way because he cried a lot, goku was not stronger than him and did not even know him. his determination to want to kill he does not really have any logic
broly is inconsistent in his actions once saved his father when he was a baby but then after years decides to kill, what I said the guy is crazy
in the second movie he seems to have no reasoning whatsoever to say that. in fact he confuses goten with goku
In movie 10 Broly had a reason to fight Goku. When he heard Goten crying it reminded him of baby Kakarot and his defeat to him in movie 8. Broly didn't save Paragus, it was shown that Paragus by chance was already holding baby Broly's hand and unconsciously protected his father. However, legendary Broly killed Paragus for betrayal and was shown to harm Paragus in times past as a kid, due to his power. Otherwise, he wouldn't need to be controlled. I'm also not making up any analogies. It was stated by Paragus that the reason why Kakarot triggered Broly's "saiyan instincts" and could become uncontrollable is because of their fate being born on the sameday one after another. Then we see the flashback explaining how Kid Goku made kid Broly cry despite having a weaker battle power. This was a foreshadow of what would come later when Goku and Broly battled each other. Right before the final blow, the camera flashbacks to baby Goku making Broly cry, signaling his future defeat, at the hands of Goku again.
It's not? It kind of does look like one or the other if you split the face in half. No one is saying it's artist's intentions or anything. It's just kind of how it looks.
It totally is though.
Its purely a figment of peoples imagination, hell, I wouldn't even say there is a real difference between the halves of the face beyond slight a-symmetry which is common among every artist and animators work on the series.
You're making more out of this than you need to. We're talking about a fusion of Goku and Vegeta. Gogeta has a widow's peak like Vegeta, and a bang like Goku. Simple as that. When split in half, you can naturally see the resemblance to the respective character.
Forte224 wrote:
It's not? It kind of does look like one or the other if you split the face in half. No one is saying it's artist's intentions or anything. It's just kind of how it looks.
It totally is though.
Its purely a figment of peoples imagination, hell, I wouldn't even say there is a real difference between the halves of the face beyond slight a-symmetry which is common among every artist and animators work on the series.
You're making more out of this than you need to. We're talking about a fusion of Goku and Vegeta. Gogeta has a widow's peak like Vegeta, and a bang like Goku. Simple as that. When split in half, you can naturally see the resemblance to the respective character.
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I'm the one making more out of this?
You're the one displaying a scary understanding of how shading and lighting works. Yes, it has a peak and a bang, it doesn't really say anything when you split them in half though.
Its purely a figment of peoples imagination, hell, I wouldn't even say there is a real difference between the halves of the face beyond slight a-symmetry which is common among every artist and animators work on the series.
You're making more out of this than you need to. We're talking about a fusion of Goku and Vegeta. Gogeta has a widow's peak like Vegeta, and a bang like Goku. Simple as that. When split in half, you can naturally see the resemblance to the respective character.
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I'm the one making more out of this?
You're the one displaying a scary understanding of how shading and lighting works. Yes, it has a peak and a bang, it doesn't really say anything when you split them in half though.
Just ending this here.
Fair enough. Once again, it's just noting a subtle visual similarity of 2 characters fused together into 1. But I'm glad the random bickering stops here.
Ehh, the yellow shoulder guards don't really match the "new" Gogeta. Always preferred the orange scheme anyhow.
Toriyama couldn't have left that alone either, could he? He retcons shit all the time but when it comes to fusion clothes oh no sir we gotta be consistent about that!
Rakurai wrote:Ehh, the yellow shoulder guards don't really match the "new" Gogeta. Always preferred the orange scheme anyhow.
Toriyama couldn't have left that alone either, could he? He retcons shit all the time but when it comes to fusion clothes oh no sir we gotta be consistent about that!
It's not even consistent with Gotenks' lol. The jacket or whatever it's called is black instead or blue
Saikyo no Senshi wrote:So at the basic level, it is a mix of DB Minus, bunch of Movie 8 references and straight up ripping off Movie 12. Lmao Toriyama. Not that surprising, but still pretty funny. JP fan reactions will be fun to follow.
Do you mind telling me where you follow the Japanese fans reactions?
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Tai Lung wrote:Why would that have something wrong?, we are talking about the "UI" the skill of the gods with which it surpasses jiren and beerus.
fusion potara, not fusion dance
but goku I use the blueken and the "UI" to face kefla but not against broly so ...
yes, I ignore it because it does not seem to be very relevant since it never clarifies how much its power increases .. it can be minimal
And what exactly does this prove? Gogeta is stronger than Kefla by miles, saying just because he didn't use a form that Broly is weaker or as strong as a second release Omen is ridiculous.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Miracles wrote:
The classic Broly embraced being evil. While this Broly seems to be a victim. According to the spoilers but I take everyone of them with a grain of salt.
That's painfully generic. "look, another guy is evil just because! Oh, and he's really strong!" And it makes it that much more dumb as a character when you realize his main motivation was related to a baby crying next to him.
Him being a more sympathetic character makes him infinitely more interesting.
Broly's motivation wasn't Kakarot's crying. His motive as the Legendary destructive Super Saiyan was simply choas and he took it on with a smile.
Come on, the whole victimization skit is played out too. At least the evil chaos embracing character fits the role of legendary Super Saiyan.
Exactly. Villains having a sob story background for their reason to be evil is even more generic than just being evil. I much prefer the old Broly who was actually evil and not a soft innocent boy with rage issues. New Broly is basically a Gohan rip off
