Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

Post by Dbzfan94 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:32 pm

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote:Now I have even less of a reason to watch the movie (not that I was interested to begin with). They’ve showed the whole damn movie in trailers already
They showed only around of 5 minutes of non-repeated footage from a 100 minutes film, nowhere near the whole movie.
"But I already know the plot from all the footage" Well you don't know how all the 100 minutes are visually presented.
Yes because I clearly meant they showed all 100 minutes of footage.: :roll:

It was an exaggeration, if you couldn’t tell.

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Post by Grimlock » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:15 pm

Nickolaidas wrote:With that logic, Gokule and Puririn are canon, too. Just saying.
You are saying wrong stuff though as canonicity and continuity are not even synonyms. And yes, Gotan and Piririn are both official stuff (also, Gotan appears in the manga). Anyway.

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Post by Miracles » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:35 pm

Canon actually means authority. We know Toriyama is the law. When he does something pertaining to his Dragonball story it's the highest rule.

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Post by AnimeNation101 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:37 pm

Miracles wrote:Canon actually means authority. We know Toriyama is the law. When he does something pertaining to his Dragonball story it's the highest rule.
Where did you get that definition?
I called it that Gogeta, Bardock, and something Broly related would be in the movie before it was even announced that it was a Broly movie. 8)

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Post by Miracles » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:44 pm

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Miracles wrote:Canon actually means authority. We know Toriyama is the law. When he does something pertaining to his Dragonball story it's the highest rule.
Where did you get that definition?
That is the only definition for canon when trying to attain order to writings etc.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/canon

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Post by Shineman » Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:23 pm

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GodVegetto91 wrote:Again, “Canon” simply means work by the original author. That’s what the word literally means. There are no ifs and buts, Gogeta is now being written by Akira Toriyama, and therefore, as far as the dictionary’s rules go, Gogeta is canon. What part of it do you not understand?

It’s just a word. Nothing more. What problem do people have with that word anyway?
That is not actually what "canon" means, but anyway. In addition to what Rakurai said above, I don't understand the part where you said "no matter if Toriyama likes to use it or not, it's canon". That's not how things work at all, and besides that, it seems the word "canon" does not even exist in Japanese vocabulary, sounds more like a nightmare for those who insist in the mistake of calling things "canon/non-canon" out of nowhere.
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I think it would be much easier and less of a headache than to have endless conversation of which is canon, which is "non-canon", which is kind of canon and what have you. Place everything under canon and separate them as continuities: the main continuity (the manga) and everyone else as their own, unless declared by the right-owners as extension of the main one. Canon should not be interchangeable with continuity, since the former refers to an collection of works (and in this context, everything created by the rights-holders) and the latter refers to an series of events in chronological order (in this context, where the series fit in the timeline and those that don't formed their own continuities from the main one). Non-canon either no longer applies or simply refers to non-official works.
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Post by Burakku » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:10 am

While I live Gogeta and even more this canon one.

After failing hard 2 times before and waisting an hour.

Wouldn't it be more effective to IT to Shin's planet and borrow some Potaras?

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Post by Grimlock » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:37 am

So Bardock will have his own soundtrack. Can't wait to hear it! :D

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Post by BrolySSJL » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:05 am

Better than the original one:

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Original:

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Post by #17 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:36 am

Burakku wrote:While I live Gogeta and even more this canon one.

After failing hard 2 times before and waisting an hour.

Wouldn't it be more effective to IT to Shin's planet and borrow some Potaras?
Yeah this really make no sense... But same goes that no one like Gohan gives a damn or is shown with an reaction to this fight...

17 may has some reason because he still can't sense ki

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Post by GodVegetto91 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:58 am

BrolySSJL wrote:Better than the original one:

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Original:
I completely, totally and utterly disagree. The original is objectively better. MUCH better in fact self evidently.. Except ofcourse for the Yellow colored part of the vest. I like Orange better than Yellow.
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Post by RedHeat » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:03 pm

BrolySSJL wrote:Better than the original one:

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Original:
That clashes with the aesthetic and art direction of the entire movie so much.
Feels over Reals.

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Post by MKCSTEALTH » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:06 pm

BrolySSJL wrote:Better than the original one:

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Original:
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The face looks off to me. Gogeta has a uniformity to him that I love about his design. The line work is also distracting to me.

Also, the orange and blue clash somewhat compared to the yellow and blue of his new design. Granted, as a Super Saiyan I think orange looks better. But for his Base and Blue design, the yellow looks much better

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Post by WittyUsername » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:40 pm

RedHeat wrote:
BrolySSJL wrote:Better than the original one:

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Original:
That clashes with the aesthetic and art direction of the entire movie so much.
The orange does clash with the blue hair a bit, but then again, Goku wears orange and he goes SSJB all the time. I still don’t like how Toriyama decided to downplay the widow’s peak, but I’m guessing he didn’t want him to look too much like Vegeta.

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Post by lancerman » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:01 pm

Grimlock wrote:
GodVegetto91 wrote:Therefore, by the power of the dictionary, Gogeta is “Canon”. Wether you, or Toriyama, likes to use that word or not.
What!? So it does not matter what Toriyama thinks, there is a canon because you, GodVegetto91 from an American forum, want the franchise to have? :crazy:
No. It’s whats official. If Shonen kicked Toriyama off and had s new author pen dragon ball, he has no say in canon

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Post by Big Black Sayian » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:04 pm

BrolySSJL wrote:Better than the original one:

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Original:
IMO this seems like a downgrade

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Post by PFM18 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:13 pm

Big Black Saiyan wrote:
BrolySSJL wrote:Better than the original one:

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Original:
IMO this seems like a downgrade
Oh my God it is hideous. Definitely a downgrade.

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Post by Dark_Tzitzimine » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:35 pm

BrolySSJL wrote:Better than the original one:

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Original:
As someone who likes art styles with more detailed, angular lines, I agree. The redraw looks so much better, really giving off an impression of strength missing on the original poster.

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Post by Forte224 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:41 pm

What I don't get is why everyone is so up in arms over that promo shot of Gogeta. It's not objectively bad art, though I agree that I don't think it looks very good. But, why is everyone so concerned? It's not like he's going to look like that 24/7 in the film. From what we've seen so far, he's almost NEVER drawn like that. I mean, look at these screenshots:
And then them compare to this:
They don't really look that close, outside of the coloring of course. It just looks like a slightly awkwardly drawn promo poster for Gogeta.

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Post by Logania » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:40 pm

When the stills of the movie look 5x better than the promotional art of said movie.
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