Thoughts on why they might not have included Ultra Instinct in the DBS movie
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Re: Thoughts on why they might not have included Ultra Instinct in the DBS movie
The Dragon Ball room wanted to save Ultra Instinct for later stories and not waste its unique appeal for an inconsequential movie featuring a character that has already had enough exposure in the franchise (Broly).
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Re: Thoughts on why they might not have included Ultra Instinct in the DBS movie
There's simply no reason to always include every trump card in every instance. Ultra Instinct is the be all end all. We just saw it in the Tournament of Power, so it would be boring to see it again. It's much more unique to see something different like Gogeta. It doesn't mean we won't ever see Ultra Instinct again. It just means for now, it's not an ability that Goku can access willingly and this makes it the technique more of a surprise. It would be quite boring if every villain that Goku encounters, he uses UI for. In the SDBH manga, Cumber has defeated both SSJ4 Vegito and SSB Vegito but is ultimately defeated by UI Goku, showing that UI is even better than fusion. By not using UI, it's also less of the "Goku show" as Vegeta is needed to make Gogeta. It's a win-win for Vegeta and Goku fans.
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Re: Thoughts on why they might not have included Ultra Instinct in the DBS movie
I don't remember seeing Vegetto and Xeno Vegetto defeated.shadowfox87 wrote:In the SDBH manga, Cumber has defeated both SSJ4 Vegito and SSB Vegito.
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Re: Thoughts on why they might not have included Ultra Instinct in the DBS movie
Well, Cumber wasn't defeated by them and in the subsequent chapter, he was defeated by UI Goku. That's what I mean. Both the fusions took some damage from Cumber. The chapter summary says itself that Vegito couldn't do anything against SSJ3 Cumber, but UI Goku did.Grimlock wrote:I don't remember seeing Vegetto and Xeno Vegetto defeated.shadowfox87 wrote:In the SDBH manga, Cumber has defeated both SSJ4 Vegito and SSB Vegito.
DBS Manga vs Anime Differences: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=42062
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Science of Ultra Instinct: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40707
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Science of Ultra Instinct: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40707
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Re: Thoughts on why they might not have included Ultra Instinct in the DBS movie
Maybe to make it more different to Goku's natural transformations as something that he has no true control. I really want this to be true so it will make it more special.
Re: Thoughts on why they might not have included Ultra Instinct in the DBS movie
Neither defeated each other, and we haven't seen Ultra Instinct Goku vs Cumber yet.shadowfox87 wrote:Well, Cumber wasn't defeated by them and in the subsequent chapter, he was defeated by UI Goku. That's what I mean.
That does not mean defeat though.shadowfox87 wrote:Both the fusions took some damage from Cumber.
What chapter summary?shadowfox87 wrote:The chapter summary says itself that Vegito couldn't do anything against SSJ3 Cumber, but UI Goku did.
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Re: Thoughts on why they might not have included Ultra Instinct in the DBS movie
The chapter has already come out in the Saikyo Jump and was translated a few days ago. viewtopic.php?f=11&p=1561487#p1561487 The fusions may not have been defeated but it should be clear who has the advantage from the summary alone.Grimlock wrote:What chapter summary?shadowfox87 wrote:The chapter summary says itself that Vegito couldn't do anything against SSJ3 Cumber, but UI Goku did.
DBS Manga vs Anime Differences: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=42062
Timelines Explanation: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=42105
Log Power Scaling: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40610
Science of Ultra Instinct: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40707
Timelines Explanation: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=42105
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Science of Ultra Instinct: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40707
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Re: Thoughts on why they might not have included Ultra Instinct in the DBS movie
I'm happy that UI didn't make it to movie because i don't like it and i prefer to see Gogeta.
But other than that, i just think it's better if this form is (at least for now) exclusive to tournament of power.
It's pretty good to have one form that doesn't appear in almost every single fight after its debut. I wouldn't mind if it never appeared again in main story or at least not for a really long time.
But other than that, i just think it's better if this form is (at least for now) exclusive to tournament of power.
It's pretty good to have one form that doesn't appear in almost every single fight after its debut. I wouldn't mind if it never appeared again in main story or at least not for a really long time.
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Re: Thoughts on why they might not have included Ultra Instinct in the DBS movie
That is not even an official summary, just some point of view of a person's interpretation. Can't base/claim anything from that, better wait until more people can actually read it and check for themselves.shadowfox87 wrote:The chapter has already come out in the Saikyo Jump and was translated a few days ago. viewtopic.php?f=11&p=1561487#p1561487 The fusions may not have been defeated but it should be clear who has the advantage from the summary alone.
Re: Thoughts on why they might not have included Ultra Instinct in the DBS movie
Maybe not including Ultra Instinct is to change things up for marketing purposes, audience thrill and to keep the form special by not wearing out it's welcome.
I'm guessing Toriyama will be asked this question when his interviews concerning this movie comes out.
I'm guessing Toriyama will be asked this question when his interviews concerning this movie comes out.
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Re: Thoughts on why they might not have included Ultra Instinct in the DBS movie
Maybe some cosmic scale menace other than Broly would be more suitable to challenge its return, but it should come back one day as Whis described UI being the end goal of divine training, otherwise it would create a pretty loose ending of that story feature. Goku and Vegeta are not going to take such a big step forward just by sparring in Blue, a big opponent coming forward should provoke them breaking their limits once again. It'll taste better though if it comes back unexpected after a longer period of abscence.
Re: Thoughts on why they might not have included Ultra Instinct in the DBS movie
As much as I would have loved to see Ultra Instinct in the new style, I’m glad it didn’t appear.
First of all, this was a movie about Saiyans so it makes sense, thematically, for UI to not appear as that has nothing to do with Super Saiyan forms.
Also, as other users pointed out, Ultra Instinct is supposed to be a special power Goku has to work towards to attain: we were just shown a glimpse of it in the ToP.
When UI will be back, it will probably be an epic moment.
First of all, this was a movie about Saiyans so it makes sense, thematically, for UI to not appear as that has nothing to do with Super Saiyan forms.
Also, as other users pointed out, Ultra Instinct is supposed to be a special power Goku has to work towards to attain: we were just shown a glimpse of it in the ToP.
When UI will be back, it will probably be an epic moment.
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