"VIZ BIG" Discussions (Releases, Developments)

Brad Redfield · Post by **Brad Redfield** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:43 am

Hopefully since the first five chapters of Dragon Ball have color pages.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:53 am

Someone get a picture of one with the Azumanga Daioh Omnibus, I wanna see which is bigger, my money is on the Omnibus.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:56 am

Brad Redfield wrote:Hopefully since the first five chapters of Dragon Ball have color pages.

I looked through it as well, and while those bits of chapter 4 where in grayscale, the first half of chpt 1 was in color. The second half of it was in black-and-white anyways.

Brad Redfield · Post by **Brad Redfield** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:13 am

The Time Traveller wrote:Someone get a picture of one with the Azumanga Daioh Omnibus, I wanna see which is bigger, my money is on the Omnibus.

Oh yeah, the Azumanga omnibus is most definitely bigger than Kenshin's. Considering that there's more material in Azumanga Daioh! than the first three volumes of Rurouni Kenshin, it's a no-brainer.

As for the color pages: Would it really have killed Viz to print those three pages in color? Do you think this could've possibly been a mistake on Viz's part?

Other bits of info:

They have the original, clean versions of the tankoubon covers printed in color in the back of the book. Neato.

Author's notes (those little blurbs that used to be on the first page of every tankoubon) are in color and are also located in the back of the book.

Now, here's what the Dragon Ball omnibus need to address:

1. More than one chapter having color pages.
2. Restoring edited artwork and changed names. (13+ Rating gives me hope.)
3. Putting the chapter title pages back in. I recall Viz's original release only put a choice few of these at the end of each volume.

Post by **Herms** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:24 am

Brad Redfield wrote:3. Putting the chapter title pages back in. I recall Viz's original release only put a choice few of these at the end of each volume.

I believe they were merely following the tankoubon in that regard; the tankoubon title page galleries didn't include all the title pages for every chapter in each volume. The kanzenban was the first manga release to have all of the title pages.

Brad Redfield · Post by **Brad Redfield** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:35 am

Ah, I wasn't aware of that. I've been spoiled by the other Jump manga Viz has been putting out.

Post by **SaiyaJedi** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:44 am

Personally, I wouldn't mind color for the full-color pages and grayscale for the two-color pages. But then again, I already own the entire Kanzenban so it's not really a concern for me anyhow.

Vegard Aune · Post by **Vegard Aune** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:50 am

SaiyaJedi wrote:Personally, I wouldn't mind color for the full-color pages and grayscale for the two-color pages. But then again, I already own the entire Kanzenban so it's not really a concern for me anyhow.

Indeed. Having pages that are only partially colored seems more annoying than them being entirely black and white in my opinion.

Brad Redfield · Post by **Brad Redfield** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:27 pm

SaiyaJedi wrote:Personally, I wouldn't mind color for the full-color pages and grayscale for the two-color pages.

You're talking about the red and black-ish pages, right?

But then again, I already own the entire Kanzenban so it's not really a concern for me anyhow.

*Grumble grumble*

Besides the whole color page thing, the book is really well put together. I'm still anticipating the DB/DBZ volumes.

Post by **Herms** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:00 pm

Vegard Aune wrote:
SaiyaJedi wrote:Personally, I wouldn't mind color for the full-color pages and grayscale for the two-color pages. But then again, I already own the entire Kanzenban so it's not really a concern for me anyhow.
Indeed. Having pages that are only partially colored seems more annoying than them being entirely black and white in my opinion.

I don't know...I own the kanzenban, and while the full-color pages look nice, I think my favorite color artwork outside of the color title pages is in the partially colored pages. While the color substitutions Toriyama had to make to get everyone colored sometimes look sort of stupid (Elder Kaioshin with a red mustache and yellow skin), a lot of the times I think they look pretty good. For instance, possibly my favorite color chapter is one during the SSJ Goku and Freeza fight, where the have the beam struggle thing and Goku gets knocked into the water. The full-color pages with the beam struggle look very good, but what I really like is how when it switches to partial color, it has SSJ Goku with white hair and red eyes, and Freeza with greyish skin and black rather than purple jewel...things (what are those things on his body, anyway?). They both look very cool like that, and it's something you'd never see outside of those partially colored pages.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:20 pm

For whoever was like "ZOMG NO INSIDE BOOK PIX YO!!!!" when I made this thread (and for whoever agreed with that person), I had a chance to go back to the mall today and fix my error.

So, for anyone who hasn't seen a VIZBIG for themselves yet, a color page and a B&W page:

The paper quality of the color pages doesn't feel like a magazine like the color pages of Shonen Jump. All the pages are the same type of paper.

The paper isn't some kind of super high-quality "send from God himself" paper, but in terms of manga releases this is some pretty nice paper.

EDIT: Oh yeah. The photo quality doesn't really reflect the quality of the book itself too accurately (especially in the color page photo). I was using the camera on my phone to take those pics.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:22 pm

Diggin' that color, like it was right out of the serialized manga.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:52 pm

Rightstuf is saying these monsters are going to be over 500 pages. The Kanzenban is only about 225 pages!

http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827 ... /4/3252/60

Shit, the DragonBall (no Z) is almost 600 pages!

http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827 ... /4/3252/60

Post by **Herms** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:47 am

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:Rightstuf is saying these monsters are going to be over 500 pages. The Kanzenban is only about 225 pages! :shoc

That sounds about right. Three GN=36 chapters; the average kanzenban has 15 chapters.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:08 am

Damn, half colored? The hell? Well, then again it's not Naruto - so does ViZ care?

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:48 am

Well, at least this way they can release a "Dragonball Special Super Color Edition" 42 volume series later on.
And THEN a Viz Big version of THAT.

...then follow it up with a "Super Complete Edition" that includes all the title pages.. in black and white, of course - that way they can gives us a "Super Complete Edition in Color" too.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:29 pm

Brad Redfield wrote: 2. Restoring edited artwork and changed names. (13+ Rating gives me hope.)

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the censored books also have a teen rating?

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:26 pm

bkev wrote:Damn, half colored? The hell? Well, then again it's not Naruto - so does ViZ care?

The half-coloring and stuff is likely how the author/artist colored it when it was set to appear in Jump in Japan. It's not like VIZ is going through the manga's colored pages with an eraser and a grudge against their fans.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:21 pm

I know that part of it wasn't in color, but according to VegettoEX they skipped a few pages.

Brad Redfield · Post by **Brad Redfield** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:46 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
Brad Redfield wrote: 2. Restoring edited artwork and changed names. (13+ Rating gives me hope.)
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the censored books also have a teen rating?

Dragon Ball had a teen rating but Z had an all audience rating...which never made much sense to me.