Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[Dagon]

I haven't seen the movie, and I don't want to know any plot details that haven't already been shown in trailers, but I saw that Freeza has a scouter and uses it. So are there any power levels in the movie? If so, what are they? In the most spoiler-free way, please.

[Doctor.]

I haven't seen the movie, and I don't want to know any plot details that haven't already been shown in trailers, but I saw that Freeza has a scouter and uses it. So are there any power levels in the movie? If so, what are they? In the most spoiler-free way, please.

Freeza measures some Saiyan powerlevels during the planet Vegeta section and baby Broly's power is also measured. In the present day, Paragus' PL is stated and Broly's power is measured but it's too high to be given a number.

[Dagon]

I haven't seen the movie, and I don't want to know any plot details that haven't already been shown in trailers, but I saw that Freeza has a scouter and uses it. So are there any power levels in the movie? If so, what are they? In the most spoiler-free way, please.

Freeza measures some Saiyan powerlevels during the planet Vegeta section and baby Broly's power is also measured. In the present day, Paragus' PL is stated and Broly's power is measured but it's too high to be given a number.

I figured they'd dance around power levels. There's always a number, just that maybe it can't fit on the scouter lens lol.

[Dbzfan94]

Just saw Broly stumbling back in shock with a "uaghaah ...!" when Gogeta charges the Kame Hame-Ha.

I cannot express how much I hate this. There is plenty for the Broly fans he said. No. No, there is not. Broly did a step back when Goku got the other people's energy but it was so much different. Gogeta already did make him look less of a threat before. Him reacting like that on top of it completely destroys it. And I hate how Whis is watching. What is it with Dragon Ball now that the big bosses have to watch and make the antagonist shrink when it comes to the impressions the old ones gave of for at least their own arc? At least there are bits and pieces that I enjoy but damn ... this is not Broly.

You’re right, this isn’t Broly. This is a new Broly. We knew from the start that he was going to be different.

Which is why they should’ve just made an entirely new character

[FrostByte]

You’re right, this isn’t Broly. This is a new Broly. We knew from the start that he was going to be different.

Wrong but i am so tired of explaining this again and again as i did like 3 or 4 time.
The contradiction to your Post was already in the one you replied to. Try to understand it because i will surely not write it 10x. Rebooting him into nothingness was never the point.

What do you mean by "rebooting him into nothingness"??? The new Broly is cool and also very likable. If you're talking in terms of power, then he made 2 super saiyan blue level fighters fuse.

[Cetra]

You’re right, this isn’t Broly. This is a new Broly. We knew from the start that he was going to be different.

Wrong but i am so tired of explaining this again and again as i did like 3 or 4 time.
The contradiction to your Post was already in the one you replied to. Try to understand it because i will surely not write it 10x. Rebooting him into nothingness was never the point.

What do you mean by "rebooting him into nothingness"??? The new Broly is cool and also very likable. If you're talking in terms of power, then he made 2 super saiyan blue level fighters fuse.

No, this is not what I meant. I already explained what I meant.

Toei is a company that told a world class chef "Hey, you know what pizza is? People LOVE it! Why don't you make one for your restaurant?"
The pizza baker looks at pizza and promises the consumers that there will be a pizza that will be more layered, more yummy, bigger, better, sexier. And that there will be plenty to love about that when it comes to those that always loved pizza.

The problem is, the moment the guys tried to re-invent the pizza and do something new for his restaurant he exaggerates with the recipe. The end result is that the pizza by the end of the day hardly resembles a pizza at all, completely destroying the initial intention of bringing in pizza because so many people love the pizza.

Rebooting a character is fine. But as I already explained, Broly is an idea. When Toei suggested "bring in Broly please" they suggested "bring in this culmination of ideas that is known as Broly and so beloved by people" but Toriyama-san exaggerated with the eraser in his hand. He rebooted him so much that the "bring in this culmination of ideas that is known as Broly and so beloved by people" goal is hardly met at all.

I like "this" Broly. I like this movie. It succeeded from the perspective of commercially winning with the name of Broly. But it did not succeed on the level of "bring in Broly" because this is just a guy called Broly with a few similiarities and so much of what he is loved for removed and if during the process of rebooting you remove so much of that then you have failed to meet the conditions as just bringing in a guy called Broly who is strong, has a LSSJ and a father called Paragus while looking similiar is not the same thing as rebooting Broly by actually adding something where he lacked things, which was not the simple case here. He removed too much of the beloved stuff and then added new stuff instead of mixing it together in a smart way and in proper dimensions. But he did not. He was too careless with the eraser and with that did not meet the intentions. And it is really ironic how Akira Toriyama failed to understand what people like about Broly when he himself complains so much about people misunderstanding Goku. I don't think Broly is a better character just because he had a dog friend or he is a guy that does not know how to open a can of water and does not even know what water is. You can bring in all that stuff if you like. But by the end of the day it still has to be a pizza.

[Mister_Popo]

We can't judge TOEI / Toriyama on something they didn't intend. This isn't classic Broly as he does not exists in Toriyamas universe. It's a brand new character with some characteristics of the old one and branded 'Broly' because of nostalgia. It's not a pizza and shouldn't be seen as one, it's another dish that shares the same ingredients to some degree. Would't know why a pizza should stay a pizza when almost everyone inside the fandom is asking for renewing.

[Xeogran]

...and to think there were people who didn't want Gogeta to be in this movie.
Holy shit were all of his scenes beautifully animated.

[Cetra]

We can't judge TOEI / Toriyama on something they didn't intend.

Yes, they did intend that. I have already explained that ad infinitum. Their intention was not "hey, lets bring in a guy called Broly that looks like him but has nothing to do with what he represents when it comes to fan passion about Broly". This makes no sense. Also Toriyama's line about Broly fans even proves that he did not want to "not bring in Broly enough as people know him". And you did not understand the analogy at all. If you do want the pizza and end up making something that is not a pizza then do not start off with the thought of "I want to make another version of the pizza". This constant for no reason and logic-defending of the franchise and Toriyama-san is something Dragon Ball fans should lay off. I could make a different comparison but it will not change that they failed to meet what should have been met when they wanted to introduce Broly.

[IAmTheMilkMan]

I, too, was fortunate enough to attend the LA premiee, and as someone who does not like Super, and never liked Broly or any of the movies he was in, I really enjoyed this one. That said, there were some aspects of the film that I was more critical of. Actually, I share many of the same opinions that were reflected in Ajay's video review, and he expressed them more eloquently than I ever could, so I highly recommend checking that out.

While I believe Ajay mentioned that the first twenty minutes or so of the film were the weakest (Broly's backstory and the DB minus adaptation), I actually really enjoyed it. It made me feel like I was watching a movie as opposed to an extended episode of Dragon Ball more effectively than any other film in the franchise has been able to do thus far. However, as Ajay mentioned, focusing so much on Goku's origin story ultimately never paid off and that was disappointing. Still, I really enjoyed watching it. As for the DB minus material itself, I've never cared for it and I still don't, but for whatever reason watching it in the film didn't bug me as much as I thought it would. Probably because the sting of reading it for the first time was already out of the way and I could just enjoy it for what it was. Either way, I didn't find myself cursing under my breath nearly as much as I thought I would be.

As odd as this is to say as a Dragon Ball fan, I've actually never been a fan of non stop fighting, and to be honest, the fights themselves have never been my favorite part of the series, or any shonen series, for that matter (that's probably why I like One Piece so much, as there is so much more to it than just fighting). So it disappointed me that, once the big fight took off, it never really let up and that was pretty much the rest of the movie. I'm sure there will be mixed feelings about this, and a lot of Dragon Ball fans will love it, but I did not. I didn't hate it either, but I would have preferred that the action be supplemented with a little bit more downtime or something else to help with the pacing a little bit. As it stands, the fight begins and that's kind of where the plot ends. Not to mention the character of Broly as we know him in the film all but disappears. That being said, it was an incredibly entertaining fight to watch. As Ajay stated in his review, it's just spectacle at that point, but he's also correct in saying that it is spectacle of the highest quality.

As has been mentioned, this is not the Broly of old. If you are a massive fan of the classic Broly, I'm almost certain that you will be disappointed with this film. Fortunately for me, I've always hated the hulking brute, so this was quite a nice change of pace.

And finally, the animation. This is, in my opinion, the best that Dragon Ball has ever looked. That, alone, makes this movie worth the watch. I still can't get over how good it looked, and I look forward to seeing it again.

Oh, and the dub was great as far as Funimation Dragon Ball dubs go. It was just as good as all of their work has been since Kai and I expected nothing less. Everyone was in top form, and it's always a treat to hear Chris Ayers as Freeza.

I was so thrilled to be able to attend this premiere, and it will go down as one of the best experiences of my life. It was an incredible treat as a huge Dragon Ball fan, and I hope I'm lucky enough to attend the next one.

[Hulk10]

Personally I feel that is planting the seeds to eventually introduce SSJ4 into Toriyama's canon. After all, SSJ4 is saiyan tapping into the Oozaru power without losing themselves to the beast.

It doesn't feel like that to me. But that's because Broly doesn't have a tail.

If toriyama did SS4 now I dont think he'd give it a tail, given his hatred of drawing them.

Yeah...…….

[Dark_Tzitzimine]

Why should it matter? He isn't drawing anymore. Hell, he even gave a tail to Shallot and that other Saiyan in legends.

[Hulk10]

Why should it matter? He isn't drawing anymore. Hell, he even gave a tail to Shallot and that other Saiyan in legends.

I don't know why it should matter. Only that it does matter to me.

[Kinokima]

I, too, was fortunate enough to attend the LA premiee, and as someone who does not like Super, and never liked Broly or any of the movies he was in, I really enjoyed this one. That said, there were some aspects of the film that I was more critical of. Actually, I share many of the same opinions that were reflected in Ajay's video review, and he expressed them more eloquently than I ever could, so I highly recommend checking that out.

While I believe Ajay mentioned that the first twenty minutes or so of the film were the weakest (Broly's backstory and the DB minus adaptation), I actually really enjoyed it. It made me feel like I was watching a movie as opposed to an extended episode of Dragon Ball more effectively than any other film in the franchise has been able to do thus far. However, as Ajay mentioned, focusing so much on Goku's origin story ultimately never paid off and that was disappointing. Still, I really enjoyed watching it. As for the DB minus material itself, I've never cared for it and I still don't, but for whatever reason watching it in the film didn't bug me as much as I thought it would. Probably because the sting of reading it for the first time was already out of the way and I could just enjoy it for what it was. Either way, I didn't find myself cursing under my breath nearly as much as I thought I would be.

As odd as this is to say as a Dragon Ball fan, I've actually never been a fan of non stop fighting, and to be honest, the fights themselves have never been my favorite part of the series, or any shonen series, for that matter (that's probably why I like One Piece so much, as there is so much more to it than just fighting). So it disappointed me that, once the big fight took off, it never really let up and that was pretty much the rest of the movie. I'm sure there will be mixed feelings about this, and a lot of Dragon Ball fans will love it, but I did not. I didn't hate it either, but I would have preferred that the action be supplemented with a little bit more downtime or something else to help with the pacing a little bit. As it stands, the fight begins and that's kind of where the plot ends. Not to mention the character of Broly as we know him in the film all but disappears. That being said, it was an incredibly entertaining fight to watch. As Ajay stated in his review, it's just spectacle at that point, but he's also correct in saying that it is spectacle of the highest quality.

As has been mentioned, this is not the Broly of old. If you are a massive fan of the classic Broly, I'm almost certain that you will be disappointed with this film. Fortunately for me, I've always hated the hulking brute, so this was quite a nice change of pace.

And finally, the animation. This is, in my opinion, the best that Dragon Ball has ever looked. That, alone, makes this movie worth the watch. I still can't get over how good it looked, and I look forward to seeing it again.

Oh, and the dub was great as far as Funimation Dragon Ball dubs go. It was just as good as all of their work has been since Kai and I expected nothing less. Everyone was in top form, and it's always a treat to hear Chris Ayers as Freeza.

I was so thrilled to be able to attend this premiere, and it will go down as one of the best experiences of my life. It was an incredible treat as a huge Dragon Ball fan, and I hope I'm lucky enough to attend the next one.

Thank you for your review. I am with you when it comes to the fighting. I love Dragon Ball for its characters and their interaction and there seems to be very little of that in this film (especially for Goku & Vegeta Who I most care about. ). For me Broly is a definite improvement and the new characters seem fun though.

Another thing I am disappointed in is the destiny/connection between Goku, Vegeta and Broly never seems to go anywhere. It’s really just a tag line in the end. Yeah Paragus being mad at King Vegeta gets Broly to fight Vegeta and then Goku of course gets involved but that is about it. I really wish they played this angle up a bit more.


I am not really into fight scenes but at least if you are going to have one long fight scene make it look amazing and it sounds like they exceeded expectations here. I am looking forward to seeing it on the big screen in all its glory. So I am still looking forward this movie. I just don’t see it dethroning Battle of the Gods as my favorite which was just so charming. But at the least it sounds much more enjoyable than ROF or most of the original DBZ movies for me so there is that.

[Grimlock]

As odd as this is to say as a Dragon Ball fan, I've actually never been a fan of non stop fighting, and to be honest, the fights themselves have never been my favorite part of the series,

Not odd at all. Dragon Ball may have fights to "solve" things, but hardly they should be at the center of anything. Interactions, adventures, nicely done silly moments/slice of life are what Dragon Ball is about.

[Forte224]

...and to think there were people who didn't want Gogeta to be in this movie.
Holy shit were all of his scenes beautifully animated.

People still might not want him simply because he's seen just as fan service and does nothing to further the story besides beating up the bad guy. Animation isn't everything.

[Zelvin]

I don't see a problem with the New Broly sharing the same name as the original. That's like complaining that the New-52 Superman shares the same name as the Post-Crisis Superman and the Earth-2 Superman even when they're not technically the same person. Nobody really cared. Except that the New-52 was crap.

[RecolorSaiyan]

So broly doesn't say single line from the moment he starts fighting to when he's transported back to vampa. I guess he's more sympathetic but he's still not "good" by any means. People were giving jiren shit and he actually possessed the ability to speak and had some fantastic one liners.

[Kinokima]

...and to think there were people who didn't want Gogeta to be in this movie.
Holy shit were all of his scenes beautifully animated.

People still might not want him simply because he's seen just as fan service and does nothing to further the story besides beating up the bad guy. Animation isn't everything.

Gogeta is fanservice but so would Goku using UI again and beating Broly which is the other option a lot of ppl wanted. Once they get into the fighting aspect it doesn’t sound like there is much of any story anyways even before Gogeta enters the picture it’s just one long extended fight. Gogeta fits right in. The entire movie is basically fanservice.

[Rakurai]

As has been mentioned, this is not the Broly of old. If you are a massive fan of the classic Broly, I'm almost certain that you will be disappointed with this film. Fortunately for me, I've always hated the hulking brute, so this was quite a nice change of pace.

I think you are right in this case. I liked the old Broly, with his tragic backstory and inherently savage nature characteristic of 90s era Saiyans, and I dislike how the new Broly is portrayed in a pure manner like Goku or Gohan. That's what made the old Broly so great in my opinion, he was truly one of his kind. The only thing that offset his characterization was his whole Kakarotto shtick which frankly Shueisha heightened to a ridiculous level.