Unpopular DB opinions

[ABED]

Um...that kind of doesnt really matter in this discussion. Yes, the visual of a dagger stabbing a baby IS visually and narratively gruesome and visceral..But it has nothing to do with wether Baby Broly could and or should have survived.

It does matter. I get your point about the dagger not logically being able to pierce him, but it's a story, so I can in this one case get past the logic and see the visual for what it is. It's not as though there was nothing or no one that could've harmed him at such an early age. I can suspend my disbelief for the visual even if doesn't quite make sense given the rules of DB world. Also, it's a knife being wielded by a Saiyan, whereas the axe was wielded by a normal human. Who wields the blade matters. Case in point, Trunks can slice Freeza clean in half, but Trunks catches the same sword like it was nothing when King Cold tries it against him. Then Trunks breaks his sword against the cyborgs. The logic may or may not be airtight, but in this context, I have no issue buying it.

[Cure Dragon 255]

That wasnt my point, my point was that the fact that you either went on a tangent or expained your point in a way that didnt make sense. Because yes, you are correct in that who wields it makes a world of difference but that wasnt your argument or at least not the way it came across. You said it was narratively dark and visceral to see a baby being stabbed... which has nothing to do with anything.

[Scsigs]

Goku was hurt by the laser due to letting his guard down.

Broly didn't even have his guard up & was a BABY! You mean to tell me that he wouldn't die from a dagger stabbing, but Goku would get legitimately hurt by a laser?

I don't understand the logic either. I'm simply pointing things out.

And yet that doesn't make them good or really defendable/worth defending when examples from other parts of the franchise poke holes in the logic.

Sorry, but I don’t understand the dagger complaint. The movie was released back in 1993, well before Goku getting hurt by a laser was ever a thing. Were the people who wrote the movie supposed to have been aware that Goku would one day get hurt by a laser? As far as complaints go, that’s a pretty silly nitpick.

Again, I agree that the Goku crying thing is stupid, but when I said that Broly had an interesting backstory, I was referring to the fact that he was someone who was utterly rejected by his own race when he was an infant due to his high battle power, and whose mental instability led to his father desperately trying to keep in line by controlling him. Like I said, Broly wasn’t an especially complex character, but compared to other movie villains, he and Paragus at least had something of substance.

Here's the thing. I brought that up because it was the easiest comparison to make off the top of my head. I COULD have compared it to any time the other characters get beaten up. We're supposed to believe that these characters, when they're not using Ki, can be hurt, or even killed, by people or objects, but Broly, who doesn't even know Ki control because he's an infant, gets stabbed by a dagger, a much more potentially deadly weapon than a fist, & doesn't die? Apparently he must have Wolverine's healing factor too, since there's NO stab wound in his chest & he doesn't die when he & his father get left to die. Team Four Star even commented on this in their abridged version of the movie by having the dagger not pierce his skin & instead break upon contact, which if we're to believe Broly has an over 10,000 power level at birth, would make some degree of sense. Hell, Goku got hurt by a rock that Krillin threw at him to test his strength all because he didn't have his guard up, or Ki in use. There's a more apt comparison for you.

See, I have no problem with that being Broly's backstory. However, it's lessened by a considerable amount by the fact that part of that is kicked off by him crying because Goku was crying (which is what babies to), then somehow remembered it, even though babies don't form coherent memories at only a few days old or so . because their brains are still developing.

And, quickly...

To be fair we don’t know how Saiyans memories work as infant. Goku was suppose to be aware of his mission as a baby until he hit his head.

To be even more fair “I hate Goku because he cried when we were babies” will always be the dumbest motivation for a villain of all time. Like why bother?

Except Goku wasn't a baby. In the manga, it was never shown. The anime writers just assumed "little boy" meant "infant/baby," so that's what we saw int he first few episodes if Z & Kai, then the Bardock special. In Minus, despite how bad it is, & the new Broly movie, it's confirmed by Toriyama himself that Goku was actually like, what, 3 or 4? So, of course he was going to be more coherent of his mission, especially if his Saiyan space pod's computer explained his mission to him & since Roshi said he was feisty before he hit his head, so he'd be more like the other Saiyans. Broly was only a few days old or so at best, so no.

An axe to the head did barely any damage to a young Goku in Dragon Ball. Not sure why a dagger would hurt baby Broly who was much stronger than pre-Kaio training Goku

I get your point on a purely story logic level, but the visual of a knife being plunged into an infant's torso is more visceral than a ki blast.

EXACTLY! The torso isn't like the head on ANYONE, even Saiyans. You punch someone in the head, there's a bit more protection due to the skull being there to protect the brain, but if you punch someone in the torso, there's a more likely chance of them getting hurt quicker, though we're talking about Saiyans, who can always take bigger punches than anyone else, in a manga that runs on cartoon logic most of the time.

That wasn't my point, my point was that the fact that you either went on a tangent or explained your point in a way that didn't make sense. Because yes, you are correct in that who wields it makes a world of difference but that wasn't your argument or at least not the way it came across. You said it was narratively dark and visceral to see a baby being stabbed... which has nothing to do with anything.

And yet Broly was still a baby. Babies still develop for a while before they become stronger, even Saiyan babies. At least that's the feel I always got from the series. We don't get a lot of full-blooded Saiyan babies, but baby Trunks isn't shown to be any different from normal babies that we can see, so how are we to know that full-blooded Saiyan babies are any different?

[WittyUsername]

Here's the thing. I brought that up because it was the easiest comparison to make off the top of my head. I COULD have compared it to any time the other characters get beaten up. We're supposed to believe that these characters, when they're not using Ki, can be hurt, or even killed, by people or objects, but Broly, who doesn't even know Ki control because he's an infant, gets stabbed by a dagger, a much more potentially deadly weapon than a fist, & doesn't die? Apparently he must have Wolverine's healing factor too, since there's NO stab wound in his chest & he doesn't die when he & his father get left to die. Team Four Star even commented on this in their abridged version of the movie by having the dagger not pierce his skin & instead break upon contact, which if we're to believe Broly has an over 10,000 power level at birth, would make some degree of sense. Hell, Goku got hurt by a rock that Krillin threw at him to test his strength all because he didn't have his guard up, or Ki in use. There's a more apt comparison for you.

See, I have no problem with that being Broly's backstory. However, it's lessened by a considerable amount by the fact that part of that is kicked off by him crying because Goku was crying (which is what babies to), then somehow remembered it, even though babies don't form coherent memories at only a few days old or so . because their brains are still developing.

Is Broly being able to survive getting stabbed really anymore ridiculous than Gohan being able to survive getting hit by an angry Raditz (who has no concept of ki control)? Hell, what about how Pilaf and his gang were able to survive getting thrown out of an airship? I realize the latter case was played for laughs, but King Piccolo was the one who threw them out of the airship, and he isn’t a gag character.

[Scsigs]

Is Broly being able to survive getting stabbed really anymore ridiculous than Gohan being able to survive getting hit by an angry Raditz (who has no concept of ki control)? Hell, what about how Pilaf and his gang were able to survive getting thrown out of an airship? I realize the latter case was played for laughs, but King Piccolo was the one who threw them out of the airship, and he isn’t a gag character.

I mean, Toriyama's constantly flip-flopped on the whole "breathing in space" nonsense. He brings it up one time in the Frieza VS Goku fight for drama, but it previously wasn't a thing, which is why Pilaf & gang could survive in space, then goes back on it in Battle of Gods when Goku & Beerus fight in space after Goku returns to his base form, so that's not really a good argument.

When it comes to Gohan being punched by Raditz, Raditz also wanted to kidnap him to force Goku to kill 100 humans to get him back, so he was probably holding back to an extent. Same with him kneeing Goku in the stomach. It was more of a show of power so they knew where they stood against him than anything. It's been pretty consistent since the concept of Ki was introduced that you can control how much you use with practice & that these characters know when to pull their punches when they want to. In this case, it's more of the person inflicting the pain that's controlling how much damage is being done. Ki is what gives the ones receiving the blows more defense on their bodies when it's known how to use it. The only difference between the bad guys from the beginning of Z & the heroes is that the bad guys didn't know how to sense it, but they're trained warriors, so it would make sense that they would know how to raise & lower their battle powers.
Broly was a baby, barely a few days to a week old from the look of it, & yet he's able to form longterm memories to remember Goku to make him constantly pissed off at being humiliated as a BABY when it wouldn't have mattered, survive a stabbing, & control his massive power? I don't buy it, sorry. From what we know about Saiyans, they're, basically, humans, just with slightly different DNA that allow them to have tails at birth that let them grow into giant apes when they either look at one of those energy balls that Vegeta used, or the moon from the Blutz/Brutz Waves created, makes them slightly stronger than humans, & allows them to use a transformation that increases their stats & turns their hair blonde. However, as babies, they're still developing just as Humans do at that age, which is why I don't believe that. I can't. It makes no sense with the most consistent information presented that we have about Saiyans.

[WittyUsername]

Is Broly being able to survive getting stabbed really anymore ridiculous than Gohan being able to survive getting hit by an angry Raditz (who has no concept of ki control)? Hell, what about how Pilaf and his gang were able to survive getting thrown out of an airship? I realize the latter case was played for laughs, but King Piccolo was the one who threw them out of the airship, and he isn’t a gag character.

I mean, Toriyama's constantly flip-flopped on the whole "breathing in space" nonsense. He brings it up one time in the Frieza VS Goku fight for drama, but it previously wasn't a thing, which is why Pilaf & gang could survive in space, then goes back on it in Battle of Gods when Goku & Beerus fight in space after Goku returns to his base form, so that's not really a good argument.

When it comes to Gohan being punched by Raditz, Raditz also wanted to kidnap him to force Goku to kill 100 humans to get him back, so he was probably holding back to an extent. Same with him kneeing Goku in the stomach. It was more of a show of power so they knew where they stood against him than anything. It's been pretty consistent since the concept of Ki was introduced that you can control how much you use with practice & that these characters know when to pull their punches when they want to. In this case, it's more of the person inflicting the pain that's controlling how much damage is being done. Ki is what gives the ones receiving the blows more defense on their bodies when it's known how to use it. The only difference between the bad guys from the beginning of Z & the heroes is that the bad guys didn't know how to sense it, but they're trained warriors, so it would make sense that they would know how to raise & lower their battle powers.
Broly was a baby, barely a few days to a week old from the look of it, & yet he's able to form longterm memories to remember Goku to make him constantly pissed off at being humiliated as a BABY when it wouldn't have mattered, survive a stabbing, & control his massive power? I don't buy it, sorry.

I’m talking about when Raditz knocked out Gohan after Gohan hit him in the stomach. What reason would Raditz have had for holding back at that moment? He made it pretty clear that he was ready to kill Gohan at that point.

Also, didn’t the Freeza arc make it a point to establish that with the exception of Freeza and Ginyu, most of Freeza’s forces didn’t know how to alter their battle powers at will?

[Fionordequester]

ASSERTION: The humans almost certainly DID learn Kaioken at some point in the series; even if it happened off-screen. As a martial artist myself, I can't make sense of why any dedicated martial artist would pass up on such an obviously useful technique, nor can I imagine why Goku or King Kai wouldn't teach it to them at some point. Plus, the Freeza fight already established that you can use it without people noticing.

I could maybe buy them not practicing enough to safely use it by the time Mecha Freeza arrived on Earth; but they HAD to have done it at some point during the 3 years build up to the Androids. And that's how we get stuff like...

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1) Piccolo clowning on Android #20 when he previously couldn't even handle Freeza's 2nd form.

2) Tenshinhan completely immobilizing Semi-Perfect Cell

3) The Z-Fighters surviving for any length of time at all against the Cell Jr.'s

4) The earthlings actually expecting to contribute in any meaningful way to the post-Namek fights (when otherwise, there's no point in even showing up)

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Now, obviously their Kaioken didn't amount to much, even assuming I'm right, but, it makes more sense to me that they'd at least have it.

[Hulk10]

I studied martial arts for a little while but it was hardly official studying so yeah I agree.

[Scsigs]

I’m talking about when Raditz knocked out Gohan after Gohan hit him in the stomach. What reason would Raditz have had for holding back at that moment? He made it pretty clear that he was ready to kill Gohan at that point.

Also, didn’t the Freeza arc make it a point to establish that with the exception of Freeza and Ginyu, most of Freeza’s forces didn’t know how to alter their battle powers at will?

Oh, that. Ok. Considering he was weakened by Gohan's headbutt on him, I'd think that it could be that he was momentarily less strong than he was prior to that. That seems to be what's implied, since a much more weakened Goku could hold him in a Full Nelson for a bit to allow Piccolo to fire the beam to kill them.

In the Frieza arc, it's stated that they didn't know how to state power levels & they didn't run into anyone who could lower their power levels enough to hide them, I believe. Not that they couldn't alter their own power levels, considering they always stay at their base level, but CAN control their Ki. Hence why they use their scouters & they're constantly surprised by the Earthlings & Vegeta being able to alter their power levels to appear much more weaker than they actually are. While they probably never really knew how to lower their power levels that much, they also didn't need to. However, I'm sure they knew how to raise them when needed, since they regularly used Ki to fight. Hell, Ginyu tried to power up to Goku's full power, but he didn't have enough training with Goku's body to be able to use it. Considering Ginyu continually changed bodies to get more powerful, he must've figured that he could train to get more strong in said bodies. I mean, no one's born with higher than average power levels in DB canon usually. I mean, they weren't surprised that they could raise their power levels. They were surprised that they could completely alter them so radically. I mean, Zarbon also had a transformed state that was more powerful than his base form, so the concept wouldn't have been foreign to them. And I'm betting they knew how to pull their punches when needed as a result.

However, My point stands that Broly as a baby wouldn't be able to withstand a dagger stabbing to the chest as a baby. It's a stupid plot hole that makes no sense. You stab a baby with a dagger in the chest, most likely aiming for the heart, that baby is dead. No ifs, ands, or buts, sorry. I don't care if it's a human, a Saiyan, a puppy, or whatever. That baby is dead. I don't know what's so hard to understand about this.

[PFM18]

Super Saiyan C? Glurg!!!!!!! Why does it have to be so damn convoluted.

It isn't. That's just a DB Wiki fan-made term

[WittyUsername]

I’m talking about when Raditz knocked out Gohan after Gohan hit him in the stomach. What reason would Raditz have had for holding back at that moment? He made it pretty clear that he was ready to kill Gohan at that point.

Also, didn’t the Freeza arc make it a point to establish that with the exception of Freeza and Ginyu, most of Freeza’s forces didn’t know how to alter their battle powers at will?

Oh, that. Ok. Considering he was weakened by Gohan's headbutt on him, I'd think that it could be that he was momentarily less strong than he was prior to that. That seems to be what's implied, since a much more weakened Goku could hold him in a Full Nelson for a bit to allow Piccolo to fire the beam to kill them.

In the Frieza arc, it's stated that they didn't know how to state power levels & they didn't run into anyone who could lower their power levels enough to hide them, I believe. Not that they couldn't alter their own power levels, considering they always stay at their base level, but CAN control their Ki. Hence why they use their scouters & they're constantly surprised by the Earthlings & Vegeta being able to alter their power levels to appear much more weaker than they actually are. While they probably never really knew how to lower their power levels that much, they also didn't need to. However, I'm sure they knew how to raise them when needed, since they regularly used Ki to fight. Hell, Ginyu tried to power up to Goku's full power, but he didn't have enough training with Goku's body to be able to use it. Considering Ginyu continually changed bodies to get more powerful, he must've figured that he could train to get more strong in said bodies. I mean, no one's born with higher than average power levels in DB canon usually. I mean, they weren't surprised that they could raise their power levels. They were surprised that they could completely alter them so radically. I mean, Zarbon also had a transformed state that was more powerful than his base form, so the concept wouldn't have been foreign to them. And I'm betting they knew how to pull their punches when needed as a result.

However, My point stands that Broly as a baby wouldn't be able to withstand a dagger stabbing to the chest as a baby. It's a stupid plot hole that makes no sense. You stab a baby with a dagger in the chest, most likely aiming for the heart, that baby is dead. No ifs, ands, or buts, sorry. I don't care if it's a human, a Saiyan, a puppy, or whatever. That baby is dead. I don't know what's so hard to understand about this.

What’s so hard to understand is this idea that Broly surviving being stabbed as a baby is anymore ridiculous than what you usually see from this franchise. That same movie established that a newborn Broly was able to fly him and his father away from Planet Vegeta without the need for a space pod, and him surviving being stabbed is what’s difficult to suspend your disbelief for?

[ABED]

Super Saiyan C? Glurg!!!!!!! Why does it have to be so damn convoluted.

It isn't. That's just a DB Wiki fan-made term

But why is anyone here using it? What does the C stand for?

[WittyUsername]

Super Saiyan C? Glurg!!!!!!! Why does it have to be so damn convoluted.

It isn't. That's just a DB Wiki fan-made term

But why is anyone here using it? What does the C stand for?

I guess because they figure there’s nothing else to call it.

Personally, I’m sick of all these Super Saiyan transformations in general. I know that people are sick of hearing this, but I can’t think of much of a reason for why all these different transformations exist, other than as a reason to sell toys.

[PFM18]

Super Saiyan C? Glurg!!!!!!! Why does it have to be so damn convoluted.

It isn't. That's just a DB Wiki fan-made term

But why is anyone here using it? What does the C stand for?

I don't know. People also use the phrase "Wrathful" to describe Broly's initial rage state when no official sources call it that either. The "C" doesnt stand for anything, it just exists to give the iterations of Super Saiyan sequential designations. As far as I'm aware it goes like this:

Type A: Normal SSJ
Type B: Broly's intermediate SSJ form like the one with purple hair in M8.
Type C: Legendary Super Saiyan

[Hulk10]

It isn't. That's just a DB Wiki fan-made term

But why is anyone here using it? What does the C stand for?

I don't know. People also use the phrase "Wrathful" to describe Broly's initial rage state when no official sources call it that either. The "C" doesnt stand for anything, it just exists to give the iterations of Super Saiyan sequential designations. As far as I'm aware it goes like this:

Type A: Normal SSJ
Type B: Broly's intermediate SSJ form like the one with purple hair in M8.
Type C: Legendary Super Saiyan

And they think that its related to the Legendary Super Saiyan due to a supposed growth in size Broly experienced while in that form, the fact that Broly had red eyes when he first ascended to Super Saiyan and then because he had yellow irises in the moments before Gogeta's Big Bang Kamehameha hit him...……………...

[zDBZ]

Again, I agree that the Goku crying thing is stupid, but when I said that Broly had an interesting backstory, I was referring to the fact that he was someone who was utterly rejected by his own race when he was an infant due to his high battle power, and whose mental instability led to his father desperately trying to keep in line by controlling him. Like I said, Broly wasn’t an especially complex character, but compared to other movie villains, he and Paragus at least had something of substance.

This is another big reason why the crying bit, silly though it is, doesn't bother me. The meat of Broly's story lies, really, with Paragus - his efforts to save his son, then to control his son, and finally, his doomed attempt to abandon his son, is interesting and well-written, IMO. The glimpses that story provides of saiyan culture and what might have been going on those moments before the planet's destruction, and Paragus's efforts to manipulate Vegeta, are intriguing as well. Honestly, I feel that the big fight with Broly is the weakest part of the film; it's inconsistently animated and it goes on for too long. The backstory, and the thematic ideas (not always their execution) is where the strength of the film lies.

[Scsigs]

What’s so hard to understand is this idea that Broly surviving being stabbed as a baby is anymore ridiculous than what you usually see from this franchise. That same movie established that a newborn Broly was able to fly him and his father away from Planet Vegeta without the need for a space pod, and him surviving being stabbed is what’s difficult to suspend your disbelief for?

Because it's more suspension than Dragon Ball usually asks for &, even if it isn't, it's largely contradicted by other parts of the canon source material. The Broly movie is also very serious, or is at least expecting you to take the story seriously. Just like Broly getting mentally unhinged from Goku crying next to him in the Saiyan nursery, which makes no sense as to how he remembers that, the fact that he physically gets stabbed as a baby & doesn't die from that, but, in fact, apparently heals from it, since there's no stab wound (doesn't even leave so much as a scar on his chest) is a bit too far of a stretch for me. Considering the franchise I'm talking about, that's saying something. You're asking me to blatantly ignore blatant plot holes & utter stupidity within the story. Sorry, I can't do that like you all apparently can. You can't suspend disbelief for a serious story that far. If this were an outright farce, or the elements were changed in some way to make them less bad, I could probably do it, but not as-is, sorry.

This is another big reason why the crying bit, silly though it is, doesn't bother me. The meat of Broly's story lies, really, with Paragus - his efforts to save his son, then to control his son, and finally, his doomed attempt to abandon his son, is interesting and well-written, IMO. The glimpses that story provides of Saiyan culture and what might have been going on those moments before the planet's destruction, and Paragus's efforts to manipulate Vegeta, are intriguing as well. Honestly, I feel that the big fight with Broly is the weakest part of the film; it's inconsistently animated and it goes on for too long. The backstory, and the thematic ideas (not always their execution) is where the strength of the film lies.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I think you're blatantly ignoring the bad parts to bolster the good parts. And that's the thing. The bad parts are the literal catalysts for some of the good parts. Broly being mentally unhinged causing his father to try to control him? Goku cried next to him in the nursery, then the older Saiyans watching over them made fun of him, which he somehow remembers. That's the biggest thing here. The good parts of the film are completely overshadowed by all the stupid. A serious story has to be logically consistent from all sides to work.
Let's take Loki from The Avengers, which also starts in Thor. He's not too different from Broly. Mentally unhinged, hates his father, focused on revenge, wants to take down the main hero. The difference is that Loki has a more believable backstory that's not out of the realm of disbelief, if a bit stupid, & his motivations make sense. Broly's are weak sauce, man. And you're using the only good parts of the movie; Paragus', to say the movie is better than it is. Yes, his plot in vastly more interesting than Broly's, but he's not the central focus. Broly is. Paragus' part is only the catalyst for the fight between everyone & Broly. It's literally a crutch so the main event of the movie can happen. It's not the main event as far as the writers of the movie were concerned, or most of the audiences who've ever watched the film. That's why I find parts of Broly's backstory utterly stupid & ridiculous even by Dragon Ball standards. The writers blatantly ignored their own stupidity & plot holes because they weren't focused on them. Usually Dragon Ball Z movies have plot holes involving the fact that they can't happen in the main timeline of the franchise because there are too many continuity errors between them. Also, the "long lost Saiyan(s) who survived Planet Vegeta's destruction" was done before & since, but a bit better than this movie's use of that plot point. Just the icing on the cake right there of why the movie is bad.

[WittyUsername]

What’s so hard to understand is this idea that Broly surviving being stabbed as a baby is anymore ridiculous than what you usually see from this franchise. That same movie established that a newborn Broly was able to fly him and his father away from Planet Vegeta without the need for a space pod, and him surviving being stabbed is what’s difficult to suspend your disbelief for?

Because it's more suspension than Dragon Ball usually asks for &, even if it isn't, it's largely contradicted by other parts of the canon source material. The Broly movie is also very serious, or is at least expecting you to take the story seriously. Just like Broly getting mentally unhinged from Goku crying next to him in the Saiyan nursery, which makes no sense as to how he remembers that, the fact that he physically gets stabbed as a baby & doesn't die from that, but, in fact, apparently heals from it, since there's no stab wound (doesn't even leave so much as a scar on his chest) is a bit too far of a stretch for me. Considering the franchise I'm talking about, that's saying something. You're asking me to blatantly ignore blatant plot holes & utter stupidity within the story. Sorry, I can't do that like you all apparently can. You can't suspend disbelief for a serious story that far. If this were an outright farce, or the elements were changed in some way to make them less bad, I could probably do it, but not as-is, sorry.

Again, that same movie established that an infant Saiyan was able to fly off a planet, into space, while carrying his father. I fail to see why the stabbing thing is where anyone should draw the line.

If you want a plausible in-universe explanation for how Broly survived being stabbed when Goku was hurt by a rock, you can argue that a person is more vulnerable when they’re asleep, even compared to an infant with a high battle power. That might sound like a reach to you, but considering that infants aren’t supposed to be super strong to begin with, you just have to take it for what it is. Either that or you could just accept that the DB movies were never intended to be anything more than side stories with no relation to the main series, and that since these movies are already full of inconsistencies with the actual story, complaining about a dagger should be the least of anyone’s concerns.

[Dbzk1999]

Super Saiyan C? Glurg!!!!!!! Why does it have to be so damn convoluted.

It isn't. That's just a DB Wiki fan-made term

It’s not fan-made, it comes from the Supplemental Daizenshuu. Now, the crap/speculation they added to it is another thing entirely. But “C-type” is something that was noted for Broly’s ssj form in movie 10.

That supplemental daiz describes it like so

A type: his ssj form when restrained by the device
B type: his LSSJ form
C type: his ssj form in movie 10

[Scsigs]

Again, that same movie established that an infant Saiyan was able to fly off a planet, into space, while carrying his father. I fail to see why the stabbing thing is where anyone should draw the line.

If you want a plausible in-universe explanation for how Broly survived being stabbed when Goku was hurt by a rock, you can argue that a person is more vulnerable when they’re asleep, even compared to an infant with a high battle power. That might sound like a reach to you, but considering that infants aren’t supposed to be super strong to begin with, you just have to take it for what it is. Either that or you could just accept that the DB movies were never intended to be anything more than side stories with no relation to the main series, and that since these movies are already full of inconsistencies with the actual story, complaining about a dagger should be the least of anyone’s concerns.

Because the stabbing happened BEFORE they flew off into space. Broly should be dead from the stabbing before any of that happens. That's a plot hole because it makes no sense.

Oh, I know that the Z movies were side stories made with no relation to the main series. That doesn't mean they can just bend the rules of the universe that Toriyama himself established over time & most of them don't, at least when it comes to the physics or amount of pain someone can take before they actually get hurt, depending on the person (Though the second Coller movie has Vegeta& Goku somehow get more energy when they were tapped dry, but one plot hole at a time here). Most of them don't have something as stupid as a baby surviving a stabbing. Broly literally gets stabbed in the chest with a dagger by a man with the intent to kill him. Here's an easy fix to that scene. Paragus doesn't get sentenced to death with Broly. However, Broly does & Paragus then finds out about it. He then steals Broly from the nursery before that happens. They take off in a space pod. The Saiyans then blast the pod before it can get anywhere, but it's too far out of their range of sight when it explodes, so when Broly envelops them in an energy barrier, they get away undetected.
See which part I take exception with here? Literally, it's a plot hole because that SHOULD HAVE killed Broly, but he doesn't die from it. You can't suspend disbelief from a plot hole like this, sorry. If Goku falling on a rock can give him enough brain damage so that it rewires his brain to forget his memories & become a nicer person, then Broly can die from a stabbing through the chest that was most likely through his heart. Even GOKU'S healing factor didn't heal him fast enough in the span of however long Broly & his father were left for dead.
Just because a plot hole may not bother you doesn't mean it's not a plot hole & that it won't bother anyone else.