"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

I just want to add, ‘Broly being more popular in the West’ isn’t really true. In a V-Jump poll taking recently Broly was #2 behind Freeza. He beat Black, Buu, and Jiren (yes, Jiren scored high on that same poll beating Black).

[Lord Beerus]

Character's who's arsenal is based on magic have always had some kind of narrative consistency issue with their abilities, so I hope this goat guy breaks the trend and doesn't become another "Dabra".

I just want to add, ‘Broly being more popular in the West’ isn’t really true. In a V-Jump poll taking recently Broly was #2 behind Freeza. He beat Black, Buu, and Jiren (yes, Jiren scored high on that same poll beating Black).

When was that poll taken? And do you know where I can seen the results?

[Cipher]

I think his name and design are directly inspired by the canaanite deity "Moloch" who was pictured as a humanoid taurus shaped demon.

That was actually one of my first thoughts, but it almost seemed too on-the-nose for Dragon Ball.

I do wish I'd gone with an "l" at any rate, but since I wasn't sure I just kept the traditional romanization. I guess we'll see what Viz chooses in a couple days.

[Kepiaschkz]

I think his name and design are directly inspired by the canaanite deity "Moloch" who was pictured as a humanoid taurus shaped demon.

That was actually one of my first thoughts, but it almost seemed too on-the-nose for Dragon Ball.

I do wish I'd gone with an "l" at any rate, but since I wasn't sure I just kept the traditional romanization. I guess we'll see what Viz chooses in a couple days.

Why not ? After all, kaioshins from all universes are named after actual "real life" deities from various civilizations. So it's not so on-the-nose for Dragon Ball.

[HeroR]

Character's who's arsenal is based on magic have always had some kind of narrative consistency issue with their abilities, so I hope this goat guy breaks the trend and doesn't become another "Dabra".

I just want to add, ‘Broly being more popular in the West’ isn’t really true. In a V-Jump poll taking recently Broly was #2 behind Freeza. He beat Black, Buu, and Jiren (yes, Jiren scored high on that same poll beating Black).

When was that poll taken? And do you know where I can seen the results?

I have it save on my computer, but I’m on my phone at the moment. I will post it when I get home.

[Lord Beerus]

Character's who's arsenal is based on magic have always had some kind of narrative consistency issue with their abilities, so I hope this goat guy breaks the trend and doesn't become another "Dabra".

I just want to add, ‘Broly being more popular in the West’ isn’t really true. In a V-Jump poll taking recently Broly was #2 behind Freeza. He beat Black, Buu, and Jiren (yes, Jiren scored high on that same poll beating Black).

When was that poll taken? And do you know where I can seen the results?

I have it save on my computer, but I’m on my phone at the moment. I will post it when I get home.

No problem. Thanks.

[Bebi Hatchiyack]

So basically the goat is Satan/Lucifer himself ?

[MKCSTEALTH]

So what becomes of Buu now that both Kais are out? Is he still his old self or do they pull a GT and have him disappear?

[Shineman]

While those are interesting interviews, I failed to see an concrete connection that Caulifla and Kale's existence is align with the interest of oversea fans.

Dragon Ball Room oversees the continuation of the franchise. In that first interview, its section chief specifically mentions that Broly is more popular overseas than in Japan.

In the second interview, Toei confirms that Kale's creation was based on Broly's popularity.

I don't know what you consider a concrete connection, but it's not a stretch to connect those dots. If Kale isn't directly influenced by the sensibilities of foreign audiences, she's at least "aligned" with them by Room's standards.

Rakurai and Kinokima covered the main points I wanted to say.

Do not get me wrong; I am sure one can interpret the connection between Kale and Western fans; and no doubt that the Dragon Room is expanding its marketing to outer regions rather than Japan. In the case of Kale though, I think it is more of a “she’s based on Broly, oh and the latter is also popular with fans in the West (he's already popular in Japan)”; it is effectively a win-win for them.

As for the spoilers (before the thread gets locked... I think?), it looks interesting, to say at least. Though, I'm not feeling with the design yet... No idea why though

[Kanassa]

As for the spoilers (before the thread gets locked... I think?), it looks interesting, to say at least. Though, I'm not feeling with the design yet... No idea why though

So far he's just a goat man in a big cloak, nothing really that visually striking about him. Though maybe his powers go into Dr Strange-esc territory and his design changes to become real trippy

[GokuDragonBall]

Maybe his magic is weaker if he doesn't 'eat' people's life energy for a certain period of time. We also know his magic can be taken away though I don't think Goku would consider it fair since he wouldn't be at 100% of his power.

[Kinokima]

Honestly though if he is meant to be Lucifer inspired with someone mentioned the Goat design makes sense as Goats are associated with Satan

[Chuquita]

So I looked up things about goats (because of course) and they have four-chambered stomachs and have wider range of vision than humans.

Some of them also have that fainting thing they do which is actually more of their muscles temporarily freezing up when startled and it causes them to fall over in an awkward pose. I could see Toriyama style gags in that.

If you're gonna go goat villain I think it'd be fun to get all the mileage you can out of him also being a goat.

[batistabus]

1234

1. Most DB merchandise doesn't get released overseas, not just Broly.

Look, I never said Broly is in reality more popular outside of Japan. Those are words directly from Toei, and no matter how much I may dislike or disagree with that assessment, it matters.

2/3. If you don't consider Latin America part of the West, I'm not going to get into debating civilization with you. I consider it so, and was including them in my original point. You're nitpicking my word choice more than addressing my actual point. Regardless, maybe we should just chalk this one up to mismatched terminology.

4. Again, I'd love to see any statistic that supports your point. If you're just going with "popular", how's this?

Anyway, I've said what I need to say about this. Marlowe89 is right, I'm just connecting the dots based on evidence. It's just a small fraction of my problem with the anime and reason to prefer the manga.

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I'd be happy to take this to the DMs, but I'd rather keep the conversation here geared towards the new chapter.

[Kinokima]

1234

1. Most DB merchandise doesn't get released overseas, not just Broly.

Actually a lot of merchandise is released overseas for Dragon Ball because they know Dragon Ball is popular overseas.

Certain things are not and if you want to buy them you have to buy them on the after market. I buy things from Japan after market sites via proxy and I can tell you 100% Broly is extremely popular over there because I can see what sells and for what cost. A single rare Broly sticker was selling for about $800 at one point on the aftermarket lol. But no Broly is not popular in Japan.

Also old Broly stuff also goes for a lot!

Look, I never said Broly is in reality more popular outside of Japan. Those are words directly

And the quote which was probably translated could have been taken out of context.


I remember Toriyama saying in an interview that Broly is also very popular overseas which to me is closer to reality than more popular in the West. A lot of things are said, sometimes contradictory. You can’t always take every quote as the gospel truth.

[micah007]

Oh man what could have been.

https://twitter.com/immortalyellow/stat ... 0875701248

[batistabus]

Actually a lot of merchandise is released overseas for Dragon Ball because they know Dragon Ball is popular overseas.

And the quote which was probably translated could have been taken out of context.

Trust me, I know. I own way too much of it. You can import anything, but most merch isn't distributed in the way that things at Hot Topic are.

The translation is Kanzenshuu-approved, so take from that what you will. Again, it's not the specific word choice that's important, but rather the intent.

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In other news, it seems that Toyotaro is the one that designed the new Heroes villain...
https://twitter.com/officialdbu/status/ ... 28642?s=12

[HeroR]

Character's who's arsenal is based on magic have always had some kind of narrative consistency issue with their abilities, so I hope this goat guy breaks the trend and doesn't become another "Dabra".


When was that poll taken? And do you know where I can seen the results?

I have it save on my computer, but I’m on my phone at the moment. I will post it when I get home.

No problem. Thanks.

Sorry for the wait:

https://imgur.com/0k7oRGl

If you're wondering about the French, it's because they're the ones who did the original translation.

[Rakurai]

In other news, it seems that Toyotaro is the one that designed the new Heroes villain...
https://twitter.com/officialdbu/status/ ... 28642?s=12

Is that even a villain? He has the Galactic Patrol insignia and he says that he'll carry out his own brand of justice. Though I guess that's something villains would say... he might just be an anti-hero.

Also you should post this in the appropriate thread.

[batistabus]

In other news, it seems that Toyotaro is the one that designed the new Heroes villain...
https://twitter.com/officialdbu/status/ ... 28642?s=12

Is that even a villain? He has the Galactic Patrol insignia and he says that he'll carry out his own brand of justice. Though I guess that's something villains would say... he might just be an anti-hero.

Also you should post this in the appropriate thread.

He's an adversary to Trunks either way.

This tends to be the general Toyotaro thread in addition to the DBS manga. I'm not interested in Heroes discussion, but I am interested in Toyotaro's larger role within the Dragon Ball IP. The fact that he's designing characters both for Heroes and the main DBS story is significant. Feel free to post it in the Heroes thread.