"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[GokuDragonBall]

More leaks.
https://www.db-z.com/dragon-ball-super- ... apitre-43/

Spoiler:

https://twitter.com/DBSChronicles/statu ... 3196153856







https://twitter.com/DBZcom/status/1075652744793481216 (yeah, it's basically an anti-Genkidama)

This is not the entire chapter yet right?

I guess now we have most of it though it's kinda hard to say for sure when they don't post the whole panels.

[TKA]

Interesting how differently people react to leaks when it isn't material the anime already did. Almost like everyone who said people overreact because they don't like change had a point.

But there seriously needs to be a better spoiler policy here.

[Kinokima]

Interesting how differently people react to leaks when it isn't material the anime already did. Almost like everyone who said people overreact because they don't like change had a point.

But there seriously needs to be a better spoiler policy here.

I didn’t like the manga or anime TOP arc all that much but Toyotaro is definitely at a disadvantage. It’s one thing to go from the manga to anime where the anime adds music, voice acting, animation . But it’s quite another thing to go from anime to manga. It seems like a step down. Not to mention that the manga had way less pages to work with then the anime had episodes. So in the end the TOP in the manga felt rushed and almost pointless. There is not really any surprises either because while there were differences ultimately it ended in the same way.


Now that we have a original story arc. It’s something to look forward to where we don’t know where the story is going. We don’t have to compare it with the anime.


Personally I would rather they continue to do this. Let the manga tell a story and let the anime tell a different adventure. More stories for us. Having two different versions of the same story seems pointless to me. Now we just have two continuities almost like an alt universe.

[HeroR]

Not a bad idea, losing god powers to beat a villain. Could also bring tension back for future arcs. And considering Broly's power without God ki, they might not even need it anymore

We have already see you don't need god ki to become strong, Jiren. But it does have benefits such as UI which smashed a fighter like Jiren into the ground.

[mute_proxy]

Not a bad idea, losing god powers to beat a villain. Could also bring tension back for future arcs. And considering Broly's power without God ki, they might not even need it anymore

We have already see you don't need god ki to become strong, Jiren. But it does have benefits such as UI which smashed a fighter like Jiren into the ground.

Yes, but Jiren isn't a saiyan, we can't assume that everyone in the universe is equally capable of achieving the same power by the same means. A human being can't achieve what Goku and Vegeta have

[HeroR]

Not a bad idea, losing god powers to beat a villain. Could also bring tension back for future arcs. And considering Broly's power without God ki, they might not even need it anymore

We have already see you don't need god ki to become strong, Jiren. But it does have benefits such as UI which smashed a fighter like Jiren into the ground.

Yes, but Jiren isn't a saiyan, we can't assume that everyone in the universe is equally capable of achieving the same power by the same means. A human being can't achieve what Goku and Vegeta have

If you're just using Broly, he's classified as a 'mutant' according to King Vegeta. Which is what Freeza, King Cold, and the Ginyu Force were to their species. Mutant in Dragon Ball seems to be shorthand for a person who have abilities above their race, but also mentally unstable. Like Toriyama cites Freeza and King Cold being mutants as the reason why they're so evil along with their power.

[Lord Frieza]

A loss of power could be good in a lot of way, if they did go with that idea

Firstly is the potintal for future villains. Frieza alone becomes a lot more dangerous, his main checks were Goku and Vegeta who are both much stronger then his Golden form right now and could keep pace with him if he gets stronger.

Second it would be pretty sour blow to Goku and Vegeta. Death and the destruction of earth or even the universe have all pretty much lost their sting at this stage. Goku and Vegeta have dedicated their lives to growing stronger, and while they would give it up to save people, it would be a stab to the heart of their life goals to have give up power they’ve spent years developing. There also unlikely to wish it undone ether, that’s just not them, and it would like be a plot point that stuck.

[Kenneth La Torre]

They won't go with the loss of power idea. Moro isn't even using that sort of stuff against the grand Supreme kai. He is just magic based.

[Doctor.]

I hope they buff Boo in this arc.

[AnimeNation101]

Maybe Moro can steal more than just genki. Inb4 he can steal god ki too. Also, Moro seems like he would make a way more efficient God of Destruction than Beerus.

I wonder how Moro got his power back. I see 2 options:

- Jaco messed up an accidentally released the guy but doesn’t want to tell anyone because he’ll get in trouble OR he doesn’t know he did it

- there is someone else. DB arcs tend to have more than just one singular villain. Either a duo, or a boss and henchman. So maybe Moro is the mage and there is someone who is his ally and that person freed him and got his power back for him

[mute_proxy]

If you're just using Broly, he's classified as a 'mutant' according to King Vegeta. Which is what Freeza, King Cold, and the Ginyu Force were to their species. Mutant in Dragon Ball seems to be shorthand for a person who have abilities above their race, but also mentally unstable. Like Toriyama cites Freeza and King Cold being mutants as the reason why they're so evil along with their power.

Didn't know Broly was classified that way, that's a pretty interesting concept

[Lukmendes]

I would very much like that to be the case. I want Moro to be an intelligent villain who can beat the heroes though his command of abilities they simple cannot counter rather then just punching or blasting them into submission.

Yeah, having something like that would be fun, honestly some of my favorite moments in the series are when the characters use actual strategies that aren't just "Use more power".

Ok been thinking about thats the leaks have said and I think Goku and Vegeta may end up loosing their God Power after this arc.

Daikaioshin beat Moro by sacrificing his godly power, Goku and Vegeta may have to do the same...

That's a cool type of drama, but even at the very unlikely chance it happens, it wouldn't last for more than one story arc at most.

I would absolutely love this type of drama and sacrifice in the series. I guarantee you it won’t happen though.

If they do that, we can probably get SSJ4 back. Them meeting with Broly and trying to find out how to tap into Great Ape power in base would be a pretty neat setup.[/quote]

[Wait where were these leaks about Goku/Vegeta losing their God Power? I havent heard anything of that and I've seen summarizes of the leaks/some of the leaks.

I absolutely hate it. What's the point of invalidating all of the progress the characters have made? What could that possibly add to the story?

No leaks confirm that, lol, it's just that one of the Kaioshins use the majority of his godly power to seal Moro's magic power: https://twitter.com/Cipher_db/status/10 ... 9474286593

And even so, as pointed out in these tweets, the divine/godly power the Kaioshin lost is written differently from the one Goku and Vegeta have, so yeah, Goku and Vegeta probably won't lose their godly powers, it was just spitballing.

Not really sure why people are already singing praises about this arc over the ToP when we barely have two chapters on this.

I personally feel less interested because there is no focus on any new Saiyans. But that's just my preference. I don't really have an opinion on goat man just yet. I was never that invested into Kaioshin lore either.

I'm on the opposite end, being away from new saiyans for a while is better, at least for now.

Not a bad idea, losing god powers to beat a villain. Could also bring tension back for future arcs. And considering Broly's power without God ki, they might not even need it anymore

We have already see you don't need god ki to become strong, Jiren. But it does have benefits such as UI which smashed a fighter like Jiren into the ground.

UI isn't really a god ki thing though, since Whis only talks about the person needing to dodge and attack by instinct, hell, Roshi even managed to do a bootleg version of it in the manga.

[Zamasu55]

This sounds good. Hope Moro won't be nerfed though. And Whis and Beerus need to stay out of this for once.

[Grimlock]

If everything they do these days is for marketing purposes, then they really missed a great opportunity...

Spoiler:

[Rakurai]

Interesting how differently people react to leaks when it isn't material the anime already did. Almost like everyone who said people overreact because they don't like change had a point.

But there seriously needs to be a better spoiler policy here.

I didn’t like the manga or anime TOP arc all that much but Toyotaro is definitely at a disadvantage. It’s one thing to go from the manga to anime where the anime adds music, voice acting, animation . But it’s quite another thing to go from anime to manga. It seems like a step down. Not to mention that the manga had way less pages to work with then the anime had episodes. So in the end the TOP in the manga felt rushed and almost pointless. There is not really any surprises either because while there were differences ultimately it ended in the same way.


Now that we have a original story arc. It’s something to look forward to where we don’t know where the story is going. We don’t have to compare it with the anime.


Personally I would rather they continue to do this. Let the manga tell a story and let the anime tell a different adventure. More stories for us. Having two different versions of the same story seems pointless to me. Now we just have two continuities almost like an alt universe.

Remember all those "Toyotarou is wasting characters like Jimeze! Dyspo! Katopesla! At least they had moments to shine in the anime!" Bad preconceived notions about characters whose roles were not supposed to be any bigger than what Toriyama had in mind.

Rather, let the anime adapt what the manga is doing later down in the future when this arc wraps up. I'd rather not have any more of these kinds of comparisons, and would like to see the more Tori/Toyo reasonable and mature Goku be animated than allow the Toei buffoon manchild Goku continue to be portrayed.

[Lord Beerus]

Moro is sounding more and more interesting the more I hear about him.

[MKCSTEALTH]

Interested to see how this loss of divine energy is going to play out. If it happens to Goku and Vegeta, it'd be interesting to see the consequences.

Also, since it made me think of it if it does happen:

Moro: I have unstoppable power
Beerus: We have a Broly

[Draconic]

Well, seems Toyotaro doing his own thing is proving to be more interesting than adapting Toriyama. This looks better than the trash we've been getting for two arcs now, which speaks more of how bad those stories were in the manga, considering the terrible new designs and the shitty premise of yet another threat sealed for millions of years that's tied in some ways to the Kaioshin. But the powers of the villain do look interesting and expanding on the Galactic Patrol is fun (tho it could go sideways fast) not to mention the art doesn't look like shit and there are actually ideas and pacing and direction taken into account when drawing the pages Still a long way away from being good, but a few great highligths in a sea of mediocrity is better than nothing and if it keeps up the whole thing would be worth it just for that. All in all? Props to Toyo.

[mute_proxy]

Well, seems Toyotaro doing his own thing is proving to be more interesting than adapting Toriyama. This looks better than the trash we've been getting for two arcs now, which speaks more of how bad those stories were in the manga, considering the terrible new designs and the shitty premise of yet another threat sealed for millions of years that's tied in some ways to the Kaioshin. But the powers of the villain do look interesting and expanding on the Galactic Patrol is fun (tho it could go sideways fast) not to mention the art doesn't look like shit and there are actually ideas and pacing and direction taken into account when drawing the pages Still a long way away from being good, but a few great highligths in a sea of mediocrity is better than nothing and if it keeps up the whole thing would be worth it just for that. All in all? Props to Toyo.

Uhh why do you say he's not following Toriyama? Who said it was Toyotaro's original story?

[BrolySSJL]

Well, seems Toyotaro doing his own thing is proving to be more interesting than adapting Toriyama. This looks better than the trash we've been getting for two arcs now, which speaks more of how bad those stories were in the manga, considering the terrible new designs and the shitty premise of yet another threat sealed for millions of years that's tied in some ways to the Kaioshin. But the powers of the villain do look interesting and expanding on the Galactic Patrol is fun (tho it could go sideways fast) not to mention the art doesn't look like shit and there are actually ideas and pacing and direction taken into account when drawing the pages Still a long way away from being good, but a few great highligths in a sea of mediocrity is better than nothing and if it keeps up the whole thing would be worth it just for that. All in all? Props to Toyo.

If this is not good, what the heck is the anime? Almost all of the manga is by far better than the anime/movies.

The Black arc in the manga has pretty good drawing and development, so much better than the anime adaptation.

And nobody knows if this is original story of Toyo or Toriyama. And for now, the actual arc is by far more interesting than the 2 tournaments.