What exactly did Zen-Oh destroy in the Zamasu arc?

[Galan007]

I have always believed that Zen-Oh destroyed that particular universe/timeline in order to erase Infinite Zamasu. However, I just recently came across a video which stated that he destroyed the entire multiverse in that timeline..?

Curious what the evidence supports here, because one feat is many orders of magnitude greater than the other.

[Cetra]

Toyble seems to mean he destroyed the timeline itself, which causality-wise makes absolutely no sense and you could also not travel to somewhere to find Zenou there (let alone the fact that ... oh, whatever, I won't write an essay now) but when it comes to the anime I am absolutely convinced it was merely the content of the timeline from that moment on, so all universes. So to answer your question, yes, the multiverse. They also did not act like there was some hope left for anything so, yeah, everything.

[theherodjl]

Destroying the multiverse effectively destroys the timeline since all dimensions exist within the multiverse unless specifically stated to exist outside of the multiverse like the ToP.

[Cetra]

Destroying the multiverse effectively destroys the timeline since all dimensions exist within the multiverse unless specifically stated to exist outside of the multiverse like the ToP.

No, it does not "effectively destroy the timeline" because destroying all space is not the same thing as destroying all space relative to past, present and future. If that were the case that would have major causality problems and that would actually even lead to the destruction of the entire time tree because a time branches past is not just everything after the split but everything before the split as well. And that is just one of the problems.

[Polyphase Avatron]

In the anime he destroyed the 12 universes of that timeline (and presumably the adjacent realms like his own place, meaning he also killed his own bodyguards and Daishinkan...). In the manga it's similar except they show the time ring for that timeline breaking, implying he erased the entire timeline, although Whis was still able to go back with Trunks and Mai and split it off beforehand, somehow. TBH, the time travel stuff is not really well-thought-out in this franchise.

[SupremeKai25]

He destroyed evereything. Infinite Zamasu was corrupting every universe so much so that there wasn't any space left for him in the Future multiverse and he started to seep into the Present timeline. Zeno even says "All of existence, go away!". He destroyed everything that there was in the Future timeline, and indeed in the end only nothingness was left, an empty space devoid of any life form (except for Zeno himself).

[Cetra]

He destroyed evereything. Infinite Zamasu was corrupting every universe so much so that there wasn't any space left for him in the Future multiverse and he started to seep into the Present timeline. Zeno even says "All of existence, go away!". He destroyed everything that there was in the Future timeline, and indeed in the end only nothingness was left, an empty space devoid of any life form (except for Zeno himself).

Except he does not say that really. He is very ambigious with when he says it Japanese when it comes to expressing worlds/universes/space because in Japanese they have no problem using it for multiple different situations.

[theherodjl]

No, it does not "effectively destroy the timeline" because destroying all space is not the same thing as destroying all space relative to past, present and future. If that were the case that would have major causality problems and that would actually even lead to the destruction of the entire time tree because a time branches past is not just everything after the split but everything before the split as well. And that is just one of the problems.

All universes in Trunks' timeline are erased & all we see is a white void that Future Zeno is floating around in with no indication that any other being(such as Daishinkan, Zeno's Guards, or such beings like Sugoro or the overseers of the Sugorokukan) or their realms even exist anymore. I'm pretty certain that means the timeline is destroyed as a result of Zeno erasing the multiverse.
Why you're fitting this over-arching "time tree" nonsense into this, I don't know.

[Galan007]

Where are you guys getting that he destroyed ALL 12 universes, and not just that one universe?

[Polyphase Avatron]

Where are you guys getting that he destroyed ALL 12 universes, and not just that one universe?

Well he used 'sekai' rather than 'uchuu' in his speech pattern. There's also the fact that he had nowhere left to go afterwards except back in time - if there were still 11 other universes around you would figure he would go back to overseeing them rather than leaving for another timeline.

[Galan007]

Well he used 'sekai' rather than 'uchuu' in his speech pattern. There's also the fact that he had nowhere left to go afterwards except back in time - if there were still 11 other universes around you would figure he would go back to overseeing them rather than leaving for another timeline.

True. At the very least I suppose Zen-Oh's guards and Daishinkan would've 'ported to his location just to check on him if they were still around. And as you said, it's unlikely that Zen-Oh would have been willing to vacate that timeline if the majority of universes he oversaw were still around.

Do you guys know if Zen-Oh wiping out ALL universes in that timeline was actually confirmed in any interviews, though? The video I saw implied such, so it got me wondering.

[SupremeKai25]

Where are you guys getting that he destroyed ALL 12 universes, and not just that one universe?

Because Zeno said that he would erase all of existence, not just Universe 7. If Zeno had destroyed only Universe 7, why did Trunks and Mai have to go to another timeline? After all, they could have at least tried to ask to the Future Grand Priest to restore Universe 7 or find someone in the 11 Universes left who could help them rebuild what was lost. Or they could have settled in Future Sadala and lived the rest of their days with the Future Saiyans of Universe 6. Instead of altering time once more.

[Cetra]

All universes in Trunks' timeline are erased & all we see is a white void that Future Zeno is floating around in with no indication that any other being(such as Daishinkan, Zeno's Guards, or such beings like Sugoro or the overseers of the Sugorokukan) or their realms even exist anymore. I'm pretty certain that means the timeline is destroyed as a result of Zeno erasing the multiverse.
Why you're fitting this over-arching "time tree" nonsense into this, I don't know.

Because that's what timelines are about and if you don't understand that you do not understand what "he destroyed the entire timeline" means. "He destroyed the entire timeline means exactly what I said. He destroyed the past events on it as well. Which a) cannot happen and b) didn't happen.

[Marco Polo]

In the Dragon Ball series changes to the past do not affect time travelers if they're somewhere else when the change happens. It's entirely feasible that Zeno destroyed the past without Trunks and Mai being affected.

[Cetra]

In the Dragon Ball series changes to the past do not affect time travelers if they're somewhere else when the change happens. It's entirely feasible that Zeno destroyed the past without Trunks and Mai being affected.

That was never a thing. The only things that happened and didn't Change (overwrite) a thing were splits.

[Marco Polo]

In the Dragon Ball series changes to the past do not affect time travelers if they're somewhere else when the change happens. It's entirely feasible that Zeno destroyed the past without Trunks and Mai being affected.

That was never a thing. The only things that happened and didn't Change (overwrite) a thing were splits.

It is a thing now and you know it. You just don't accept it (for some reason).

[theherodjl]

Because that's what timelines are about and if you don't understand that you do not understand what "he destroyed the entire timeline" means. "He destroyed the entire timeline means exactly what I said. He destroyed the past events on it as well. Which a) cannot happen and b) didn't happen.

Wrong, that's how you think timelines work.
When everything, and I do mean everything in the timeline is erased then that means it is all gone, past, present, and future. When they used Trunks' time machine to return, they didn't reappear in an earlier moment of the timeline because it didn't exist anymore. Instead, they reappeared in what was left in the entirety of the timeline's existence which was the white void that Zeno was floating around in. Don't you think they could've just gone back in time to an earlier moment of Trunks' timeline to prevent Zeno from ever needing to erase the timeline if they actually could??? How come that was never brought up or even hinted at? Tell me that.

[MKCSTEALTH]

I dont necessarily think he destroyed the timeline itself (I.e the fact they could still travel there)

I think at the very least, he destroyed the U7 of that timeline, and highball he destroyed every universe. I'm more inclined on the latter since we never see a GP or anything come look for Future Zeno. Yet, anyways

[Cetra]

It is a thing now and you know it. You just don't accept it (for some reason).

No, I don't know it because it is in the relevant context(s) no fact (meaning i am not speaking about certain situations of whis and his time rewind or beerus or whatever, i sm very specific). I can claim the same as well: you don't know what happened in the trunks arc (but based in official stuff i say that). The Time was never changed but split up and both a chart and whis state it for me to back it up. That is how black's ring saved him. He was not a leftover from something deleted because if it were deleted by being overwritten it would not be a split instead.
But nice try with that preposterous "and you know it but you're in denial" without substance. So Yeah, if Beerus is right then he has such Power but that is not even close to what i argue. And no, if you think it is a fact that time was destroyed by zenou, that is also something we don't know. And that is exactly what i am talking about. And no, your "when they are somewhere else" thing is completely random. There was never a location specific explanation.