The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[sunsetshimmer]

MUI Goku (ToP) vs SSJ4 Goku (End of GT, 100 year timeskip)

We have no confirmation of GT Goku training through those 100 years.
If he trained, then he probably one shots MUI in base. 100 years is such huge time gap and Goku showed to gain insane boosts over short time many times in series.
If he didn't then it's no difference if its Shadow Dragons saga or EoGT Goku and so he loses.

Next Battle

Basil VS Piccolo
Team Universe 9 VS Team Universe 10
Team Universe 6 VS Team Universe 3
Goku Black VS Toppo
Caulifla VS Uub (GT)
Ganos VS Pan (GT)
caway VS Mamba (GT)

-Piccolo >> pre-ToP Gohan >> Basil
-idk
-idk
-Toppo stomps
-Caulifla wins unless it's Majuub then he wins
-Depends on how long they fight. At his base power he is no threat for Pan obviously. Things might change if he manage to power up but if Roshi could beat him then why Pan wouldn't. She is stronger than him for sure.
-Both are featless. They both can create weapons, but Mamba can use her hair as well as teleport at short distances apparently so I think Mamba would win but with lack of feats and screentime of both it's hard to say.

[Zamasu55]

ToP SSG Goku vs RoF SSB Goku
Ikari Broly vs 1st Omen Goku
Suppressed Jiren vs SSG Gogeta (Broly film)
True Golden Freeza vs U6 arc SSB Goku (no kaioken) & SSB Vegeta
SSJ Rage Trunks (end of Black arc, no Hope Sword) vs Base Toppo
SSJ4 Goku (Buu arc) vs Buuhan
SSJ3 Vegeta (Cell Games) vs Fat Buu
MUI Goku (ToP) vs SSJ4 Goku (End of GT, 100 year timeskip)

- It's like putting Mssj Goku from the Cell Games against Ssj2 Goku from the Buu saga. And the gap's even bigger.
- Broly can't hit him and I think Goku would finish him off before turning back to normal.
- Ssj Gogeta is moderately stronger than post ToP SsjB Goku and Vegeta, but since they never use SsjBE nor SsjB Kkx20, I think their power's nothing compared to Jiren's. Gogeta would need to turn Blue to win.
- It's 2 vs 1, Freeza loses after a ferocious battle.
- This really can go either way, they're both Blue tier.
- Is Buuhan more than 10x stronger than Ssj3 Goku? If yes, he wins. If not, he loses.
- Pass.
- Pass, don't wanna get into a Super vs GT discussion.

Next Battle

Basil VS Piccolo
Team Universe 9 VS Team Universe 10
Team Universe 6 VS Team Universe 3
Goku Black VS Toppo
Caulifla VS Uub (GT)
Ganos VS Pan (GT)
caway VS Mamba (GT)

- Piccolo is far stronger than Basil's base form. His drugged state would give him some trouble, but he still wins.
- Obuni solos everyone until Bergamo. If he gives him enough energy it's over.
- U3 is trash, with the exception of Maji Kayo (a very underrated character), Koitchiarator (who's low Blue tier) and Aniraza (who is above Blue tier but weaker than SsjB Kk). I think Hit and Kefla can beat them, but it would be a looong battle.
- SsjR Black Goku wins barely.
- Uub destroys her.
- Ganos lost to Roshi... Pan wins.
- I don't know who that is.

[p-hyvo]

MUI Goku (ToP) vs SSJ4 Goku (End of GT, 100 year timeskip)

We have no confirmation of GT Goku training through those 100 years.
If he trained, then he probably one shots MUI in base. 100 years is such huge time gap and Goku showed to gain insane boosts over short time many times in series.
If he didn't then it's no difference if its Shadow Dragons saga or EoGT Goku and so he loses.

Eogt goku's only thing we know for sure is that he's still weaker than ssj4 gogeta, considering that gt perfect files states that gogeta is the strongest in existence.
Plus, mui goku is confirmed to be the strongest anime goku (before heroes) , so mui goku > goku eogt

[p-hyvo]

ToP SSG Goku vs RoF SSB Goku
Ikari Broly vs 1st Omen Goku
Suppressed Jiren vs SSG Gogeta (Broly film)
True Golden Freeza vs U6 arc SSB Goku (no kaioken) & SSB Vegeta
SSJ Rage Trunks (end of Black arc, no Hope Sword) vs Base Toppo
SSJ4 Goku (Buu arc) vs Buuhan
SSJ3 Vegeta (Cell Games) vs Fat Buu
MUI Goku (ToP) vs SSJ4 Goku (End of GT, 100 year timeskip)

- It's like putting Mssj Goku from the Cell Games against Ssj2 Goku from the Buu saga. And the gap's even bigger.
- Broly can't hit him and I think Goku would finish him off before turning back to normal.
- Ssj Gogeta is moderately stronger than post ToP SsjB Goku and Vegeta, but since they never use SsjBE nor SsjB Kkx20, I think their power's nothing compared to Jiren's. Gogeta would need to turn Blue to win.
- It's 2 vs 1, Freeza loses after a ferocious battle.
- This really can go either way, they're both Blue tier.
- Is Buuhan more than 10x stronger than Ssj3 Goku? If yes, he wins. If not, he loses.
- Pass.
- Pass, don't wanna get into a Super vs GT discussion.

Just telling You, ssj4 isn't x10 ssj3 no matter what, it is much more and z's ssj4 scales from super vegetto, who's stronger than base buuhan

[sunsetshimmer]

Just telling You, ssj4 isn't x10 ssj3 no matter what, it is much more and z's ssj4 scales from super vegetto, who's stronger than base buuhan

True. If it was just SSJ3 X10 then he would still get stomped by Baby Oozaru.
I really don't like to calculate things in DB because even official multipliers make no sense...

...but SSJ Baby Vegeta could trash SSJ3 Goku and then he transformed twice and then transformed again into Golden Oozaru which should make him at least 10 times stronger and he was about equal to SSJ4 Goku then. I say "at least" because we don't know how Golden Oozaru works. It's stronger than SSJ3 for sure. If we assume it's SSJ*Oozaru (50*10), then Baby become 10 times stronger since he already was SSJ. But if it's not related to SSJ then it would make Baby more than 400(!) times stronger since SSJ3 is X400 and it's weaker than Golden Oozaru.

Either way, it's more than X10 for sure. Maybe a lot more, maybe only a bit more, but more.
Becoming even 10 times stronger than a power capable of one shotting SSJ3 Goku, but being equal to SSJ4 Goku, puts SSJ4 above just SSJ3 X10.

[Tai Lung]

Ikari Broly vs 1st Omen Goku
Suppressed Jiren vs SSG Gogeta (Broly film)
True Golden Freeza vs U6 arc SSB Goku (no kaioken) & SSB Vegeta
SSJ Rage Trunks (end of Black arc, no Hope Sword) vs Base Toppo
MUI Goku (ToP) vs SSJ4 Goku (End of GT, 100 year timeskip)

-Goku
-Jiren
.Goku and Vegeta
-Toppo
-I do not even know what happened with Goku after going with Shen Long ... even I doubt a lot that knows if could be stronger with training than an Ssj4 in base, training iof another way, in who knows where
the most sure thing is that MUI Goku wins, training with gods and confrontation with beings from other universes helped a lot in any case

[p-hyvo]

Just telling You, ssj4 isn't x10 ssj3 no matter what, it is much more and z's ssj4 scales from super vegetto, who's stronger than base buuhan

True. If it was just SSJ3 X10 then he would still get stomped by Baby Oozaru.
I really don't like to calculate things in DB because even official multipliers make no sense...

...but SSJ Baby Vegeta could trash SSJ3 Goku and then he transformed twice and then transformed again into Golden Oozaru which should make him at least 10 times stronger and he was about equal to SSJ4 Goku then. I say "at least" because we don't know how Golden Oozaru works. It's stronger than SSJ3 for sure. If we assume it's SSJ*Oozaru (50*10), then Baby become 10 times stronger since he already was SSJ. But if it's not related to SSJ then it would make Baby more than 400(!) times stronger since SSJ3 is X400 and it's weaker than Golden Oozaru.

Either way, it's more than X10 for sure. Maybe a lot more, maybe only a bit more, but more.
Becoming even 10 times stronger than a power capable of one shotting SSJ3 Goku, but being equal to SSJ4 Goku, puts SSJ4 above just SSJ3 X10.

Official? That ssj4 = x10 ssj3 isn't official at all, is only no sense fan speculation. Following baby's forms, ssj4 in gt is fine as ssj3 x100, meanwhile, in the series in which it don't appears, it scales from ssj vegetto following gtpf, and that is the only way to scale it where it don't appear

[sunsetshimmer]

Official? That ssj4 = x10 ssj3 isn't official at all, is only no sense fan speculation. Following baby's forms, ssj4 in gt is fine as ssj3 x100, meanwhile, in the series in which it don't appears, it scales from ssj vegetto following gtpf, and that is the only way to scale it where it don't appear

I meant Oozaru, SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3. Those are the only official multipliers but even them make no sense.
That's why calculating multiplier of SSJ4 is a mess, but if we try to do so, it's more than SSJ3 X10 for sure.

[p-hyvo]

Official? That ssj4 = x10 ssj3 isn't official at all, is only no sense fan speculation. Following baby's forms, ssj4 in gt is fine as ssj3 x100, meanwhile, in the series in which it don't appears, it scales from ssj vegetto following gtpf, and that is the only way to scale it where it don't appear

I meant Oozaru, SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3. Those are the only official multipliers but even them make no sense.
That's why calculating multiplier of SSJ4 is a mess, but if we try to do so, it's more than SSJ3 X10 for sure.

Oh OK
Why do multipliers makes no sense for you? I'm just curious about your point of view

[sunsetshimmer]

Official? That ssj4 = x10 ssj3 isn't official at all, is only no sense fan speculation. Following baby's forms, ssj4 in gt is fine as ssj3 x100, meanwhile, in the series in which it don't appears, it scales from ssj vegetto following gtpf, and that is the only way to scale it where it don't appear

I meant Oozaru, SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3. Those are the only official multipliers but even them make no sense.
That's why calculating multiplier of SSJ4 is a mess, but if we try to do so, it's more than SSJ3 X10 for sure.

Oh OK
Why do multipliers makes no sense for you? I'm just curious about your point of view

Well SSJ alone was supposed to make you 50 times stronger, but over years it began to stop being as much impressive in my opinion. When Goku goes SSJ now, does it really seem he become 50 times stronger? Is the power increase as significant as it was on Namek? Sometimes it just seems to be small boost while among all official multipliers, gap between base and SSJ is the biggest. SSJ2 is just SSJ X2 and SSJ3 is SSJ2 X4.

Even Toriyama said that despite SSJ officially being X50 multiplier he felt it was more like X10.

[p-hyvo]

I meant Oozaru, SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3. Those are the only official multipliers but even them make no sense.
That's why calculating multiplier of SSJ4 is a mess, but if we try to do so, it's more than SSJ3 X10 for sure.

Oh OK
Why do multipliers makes no sense for you? I'm just curious about your point of view

Well SSJ alone was supposed to make you 50 times stronger, but over years it began to stop being as much impressive in my opinion. When Goku goes SSJ now, does it really seem he become 50 times stronger? Is the power increase as significant as it was on Namek? Sometimes it just seems to be small boost while among all official multipliers, gap between base and SSJ is the biggest. SSJ2 is just SSJ X2 and SSJ3 is SSJ2 X4.

Even Toriyama said that despite SSJ officially being X50 multiplier he felt it was more like X10.

I think exactly Like You.I like to calculate power levels, and I use different moults for nearly every saga/series

[zarmack]

I meant Oozaru, SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3. Those are the only official multipliers but even them make no sense.
That's why calculating multiplier of SSJ4 is a mess, but if we try to do so, it's more than SSJ3 X10 for sure.

Oh OK
Why do multipliers makes no sense for you? I'm just curious about your point of view

Well SSJ alone was supposed to make you 50 times stronger, but over years it began to stop being as much impressive in my opinion. When Goku goes SSJ now, does it really seem he become 50 times stronger? Is the power increase as significant as it was on Namek? Sometimes it just seems to be small boost while among all official multipliers, gap between base and SSJ is the biggest. SSJ2 is just SSJ X2 and SSJ3 is SSJ2 X4.

Even Toriyama said that despite SSJ officially being X50 multiplier he felt it was more like X10.

He said he originally intended SSJ1 to be only x10 base but changed that (since it would have made Goku weaker than KKx20). There's no mention in nor outside of the series of SSJ1 no longer being 50x base. Even the GT guide still uses to old multipliers.

[Galan007]

Not to mention that the primary purpose of Goku initially unlocking the SSJ transformation was to defeat Freeza. Therefore, his increase at the time literally had to be above 40x for him to win.

[Kataphrut]

How would the Universe 6 vs 7 tournament go with this team of Universe 7 fighters?

Fat Buu
Dabura
Freeza
Shisami
Tagoma

This is what I imagine the U7 team makeup would be in the timeline Cell leaves after killing Trunks. There are no powerful fighters on Earth. Buu and Freeza are revived without issue, Buu remains under Babidi's control and doesn't split with his evil half, and Freeza doesn't train with Goku gone, thereby staying at his original strength. The order I listed them at is roughly the order I'd put their power at from strongest to weakest.

Universe 6's team is the same: Botamo, Frost, Magetta, Cabba, Hit. How well does Universe 7 do?

EDIT: Also, I just realised this timeline doesn't exactly work because there's no Dragon Balls on Earth to revive Freeza. Let's just assume Sorbet's mob found New Namek. Also Dabura dying wasn't really influenced by Goku and the gang so he wouldn't necessarily be alive in this timeline either but screw it.

[p-hyvo]

Oh OK
Why do multipliers makes no sense for you? I'm just curious about your point of view

Well SSJ alone was supposed to make you 50 times stronger, but over years it began to stop being as much impressive in my opinion. When Goku goes SSJ now, does it really seem he become 50 times stronger? Is the power increase as significant as it was on Namek? Sometimes it just seems to be small boost while among all official multipliers, gap between base and SSJ is the biggest. SSJ2 is just SSJ X2 and SSJ3 is SSJ2 X4.

Even Toriyama said that despite SSJ officially being X50 multiplier he felt it was more like X10.

He said he originally intended SSJ1 to be only x10 base but changed that (since it would have made Goku weaker than KKx20). There's no mention in nor outside of the series of SSJ1 no longer being 50x base. Even the GT guide still uses to old multipliers.

Gtpf speaks about that x50 mult as a legend, to be precise.
For scaling reasons, in the dialogues we come to know that in gt ssj is a x2 instead.
Moreover, the x50 would create enormous gaps between the characters that aren't a thing in the series's scaling, because they are shown to be more close in power and that x50 would contradict it

[ZombieVito]

ToP SSG Goku vs RoF SSB Goku
Ikari Broly vs 1st Omen Goku
Suppressed Jiren vs SSG Gogeta (Broly film)
True Golden Freeza vs U6 arc SSB Goku (no kaioken) & SSB Vegeta
SSJ Rage Trunks (end of Black arc, no Hope Sword) vs Base Toppo
SSJ4 Goku (Buu arc) vs Buuhan
SSJ3 Vegeta (Cell Games) vs Fat Buu
MUI Goku (ToP) vs SSJ4 Goku (End of GT, 100 year timeskip)

SSB Goku finger flicks.
Ikari Broly is not even equal to SSB Goku. Omen Goku finger flicks.
Jiren finger flicks.
Freeza wins with some difficulty.
Toppo wins but after a hard fight.
Boo.
Boo is not only stronger but Vegeta will tire out quickly.
MUI Goku.

[Berserker1921]

1. MUI Goku, LB Jiren and FP Broly vs 12 GoDs? Do they prevail? And if not; how many do they take down before losing.

2. Ikari Broly vs suppressed Beerus (BoG)?

3. Kefla ssj2 vs M. Zamasu (no immortality)?

4. Ssjb Gogeta vs Ssjb Vegito (no time limit, same power)?

5. FP Broly vs U6 ToP team?

[ZombieVito]

1. MUI Goku, LB Jiren and FP Broly vs 12 GoDs? Do they prevail? And if not; how many do they take down before losing.

2. Ikari Broly vs suppressed Beerus (BoG)?

3. Kefla ssj2 vs M. Zamasu (no immortality)?

4. Ssjb Gogeta vs Ssjb Vegito (no time limit, same power)?

5. FP Broly vs U6 ToP team?

While I think all 3 of team A are stronger than any of the GoD's, I do think by numbers team B will win in the end.
Broly was on par with current SSB Goku so he should beat this Beerus esily.
Is this Zamasu corrupted? Because if so then he wins with almost no difficulty.
They are actually equal according to a recent preview for the movie. It's a draw.
I don't think Kefla or Hit with his time abilities can do anything to him. Broly wins.

[RandomGuy96]

1. MUI Goku, LB Jiren and FP Broly vs 12 GoDs? Do they prevail? And if not; how many do they take down before losing.

2. Ikari Broly vs suppressed Beerus (BoG)?

3. Kefla ssj2 vs M. Zamasu (no immortality)?

4. Ssjb Gogeta vs Ssjb Vegito (no time limit, same power)?

5. FP Broly vs U6 ToP team?

1. Since you said "LB Jiren", I'll assume the anime continuity. EP109 Jiren was already noted to surpass the level of the Gods of Destruction, and to be stronger than ki Vegeta had previously felt, which would include Beerus and Champa cutting loose against each other. He powers up more in successive episodes, by which point his EP109 power should be left in the dust. Then MUI Goku pretty much crushes the powered-up Jiren in 129. Then in 130, LB Jiren proves handily superior to MUI Goku in raw power, though MUI Goku is close. At that point, LB Jiren and MUI Goku should be leagues above any of the GoDs, who would be weaker than EP109 Jiren. So I think those two would go through a dozen GoDs like a chainsaw through tapioca.

2. Rage Broly is slightly weaker than ToP-era (C?)SSB Goku, who's several steps ahead of SSG Goku from BoG, who could give suppressed Beerus a good fight. Broly should crush.

3. Kafla's power is never compared to a God of Destruction's, as anime Fused Zamasu's power is. Then again, she was stronger than UI-O Goku, who was matching a Jiren that was stronger than EP109 Jiren, who was compared to the Gods of Destruction... so I dunno. There's no real way to compare them. I'll say Kafla simply because anime Fused Zamasu was exceedingly careless and inefficient as a fighter.

4. Potara is still stronger than the dance according to Daizenshuu 7 and the original manga.

5. Broly should crush them easily, barring the anime version of Kafla (as her base was stronger than SSG Goku and she capped out at LSS2, while Broly's base was weaker than SSG Goku and he capped out at LSS1).

[p-hyvo]

1. MUI Goku, LB Jiren and FP Broly vs 12 GoDs? Do they prevail? And if not; how many do they take down before losing.

2. Ikari Broly vs suppressed Beerus (BoG)?

3. Kefla ssj2 vs M. Zamasu (no immortality)?

4. Ssjb Gogeta vs Ssjb Vegito (no time limit, same power)?

5. FP Broly vs U6 ToP team?

God are tdp versions or broly movie retconned? If broly movie, the contenders lose, if tdp they win

Ikari broly rapes without asking for any receipt

Same as broly vs bog bills but for kefla

If they have she same goku and Vegeta inside it's a tie, if it is broly movie Vegeta vs zamasu arc vegeth, gogeta wins without even using ssj god

FP broly slaughters