A question I've had for a long while...(Kanzenban colors)

Kenshi · Post by **Kenshi** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:28 am

What I've noticed about the manga's Kanzenban colors differing from the anime's is that they seem to start out the way Toei would later color them, namely in Bulma's hair being a teal blue in the first chapter when Toriyama wouldn't color limiting it to like 3 or so colors, and Piccolo's belt also being a light blue(like in the anime and games, but not in some of the movies to my memory) when we first see him colored in that one chapter where he went collosus and everything, but later on Toriyama would change them to fit his liking and the change would stick with the later ones(obviously, the attributes I listed above wouldn't stay, rather replaced with purple and red respectively). Is this because Toei (presumably)waited until the character would be featured in color with the case of Piccolo and all by rehashing scenes or adding in more filler than usual, then went and animated the characters the way Toriyama would have them in Weekly Shounen Jump, or did they get the designs from Toriyama, Bird Studio, or Shueisha like they did with (some of the)movies? I've actually had this question for a while, seeing as there are more inconsistensies I noticed right away, namely Freeza's tail and that adjunct piece of his back being colored in purple or violet in the anime and not the manga, Dodoria appearing as pink in both the first color chapter he was featured in(the one where he chases Gohan and Kuririn after that one where they attacked the village) the manga and the anime, only to appear as golden/yellow in the kanzenban back cover, which implies Toriyama might have wanted to have him gold but flubbed or something.(deadline hell, anyone?)

Since I obviously don't live in Japan or speak the language fluently enough to contact Toei or Bird Studio on the matter(not that they'd bother, since Toriyama isn't exactly doing those "Ask me anything!" corner anymore), and next to them the site's creator is the best source, I thought I'd go ahead and ask it. I apologize if a similar topic had been posted before, but I'd just like to know. Thanks!

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:02 pm

I think the Kanzeban colors are just Toriayama forgetting what colors he gave to who/what. Like Shin and Kibito's colors being reversed.

Kenshi · Post by **Kenshi** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:41 pm

I actually think the pink/violet thing might have been his original intention, seeing as if you've done your research on the whole thing with the watercolors(the main method of coloring Akira had used prior to him getting "the shopz"), you'll see a light violet and pink(either with a mixture of white-red or otherwise) look next to indistinguishable, and Toriyama, while somewhat a lazy artist when it comes to the whole checking artwork errors thing to make sure they don't exist(hence, you'll see Vegeta with the wrong armor, Kuririn with long-sleeved pants on in his Saiyajin armor outfit, Freeza's jewelish parts not inked in along with tons of other crap like the bleeding head of Kuririn's from Freeza's attack disappearing, amongst tons of other inconsistensies you'll see reading through the manga he was forced to continue time after time. Goku's turtle kanji symbol appearing on his Cell-saga outfit, anyone?), would at least put SOME sort of effort into making sure the color pages/covers would get things right, sans Goku's gi having the symbol on it when it was ripped off from Taopaipai's attack in the RR arc, amongst other things. In addition, since I don't even faintly recall "Kibito" appearing in any color pages(hell, the only one out of the duo that made it there was "Shin," and there he doesn't even have the Potara earring right, which shows how botched and boorish the story had become by the Buu era, ugh), so him being purple makes perfect sense to me, at least. (And it doesn't really matter anyway to begin with, I mean, they fused, after all. Oh, and as a parting note, the old Kaioshin had his skin colored in as that of a normal human's in Kanzenban #31, I believe)

Anyway, EX needs to see this thread.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:49 am

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make..

But as for Shin's skin colour, you can't really use the limited colour chapters as evidence for an argument, because of how contradictory they are (USSJ Trunks with red hair anyone?)

I would put the colour difference between the new Kanzenban colours and the anime/coloured chapters down to Toei perhaps taking liberties (like the colouring on Namekian "patches" and so forth), and Toriyama just plain forgetting/changing his mind

Kenshi · Post by **Kenshi** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:45 am

I'm using the two or so pages(usually including or after the cover page, hint, the one where Goku fought Freeza in SS, that chapter has Goku's hair going white all of a sudden and his gi and eyes PINK afterward once the "limited coloring" kicks in o_0) that are "properly" colored(more or less) as reference, since I know that the reference to white/red-haired Super Saiyajin thing and such are practically boorish and totally stupid to use in any discussion. If this were the case, then the hair color in Dragonball typically ends up with a gray-haired Bulma >_>

Anyway, sorry I raved on so much, but that's just me and how I tend to ramble on whenever I get the chance, lol.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:02 am

..So basically you're wondering whether Toriyama approved colours Toei came up with before he coloured them in the manga, or if they just went with what colour chapters they had?

I would say it was possibly a bit of both (there are some dry spells when it came to colour chapters), the easiest way would be to check the dates the episodes aired, vs the dates the chapters were put out.

Kenshi wrote: Anyway, sorry I raved on so much, but that's just me and how I tend to ramble on whenever I get the chance, lol.

Yeah, I'm just having a little trouble following what you're actually talking about (you tend to go off on wild tangents in brackets)

Kenshi · Post by **Kenshi** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:14 am

Captain Awesome wrote:..So basically you're wondering whether Toriyama approved colours Toei came up with before he coloured them in the manga, or if they just went with what colour chapters they had?

Yeah, in laymen's terms. The whole Bulma hair and Piccolo's belt thing(more if you want to discuss Daimao's gi and that of his minions/children, Tenshinhan's pants, amongst other things) was an example.

I would say it was possibly a bit of both (there are some dry spells when it came to colour chapters), the easiest way would be to check the dates the episodes aired, vs the dates the chapters were put out.

Well, I WAS going to do that, but the easiest way is to have EX do it for you instead, xD. I was actually looking for the air dates on all three series' and the movies for a while, but I can't seem to find them on a first look..

Kenshi wrote: Anyway, sorry I raved on so much, but that's just me and how I tend to ramble on whenever I get the chance, lol.
Yeah, I'm just having a little trouble following what you're actually talking about (you tend to go off on wild tangents in brackets)

LOL