How strong was Evil Buu?

[Duo]

Fat Boo kept on powering up on various occasions. Do we ever really know if he went all out for anything?

[caejones]

You know, this leads me to believe that Akira Toriyama knew full well how completely insane all of the power balancing and ranking was by the Buu saga, and intentionally left all of that ambiguous. Either that, or he didn' have a calculator that could handle the math... (Well, I guess we did get kiris...)

[Victator Supreme]

Fat Boo kept on powering up on various occasions. Do we ever really know if he went all out for anything?

I assume he went all out once SSJ 3 Goku started pummeling him. He also got serious once Majin Vegeta blasted a hole thru him. But i would not call that going all out.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I assume he went all out once SSJ 3 Goku started pummeling him. He also got serious once Majin Vegeta blasted a hole thru him. But i would not call that going all out.

I don't think he went all-out against Goku. He was enjoying the battle the entire time; he didn't even power-up against him. Now, he did power-up against Vegeta, which is why he gained the upperhand very quickly. But, he was more upset that he couldn't continue his battle with Goku, if anything.

[Kaboom]

I don't think he went all-out against Goku. He was enjoying the battle the entire time; he didn't even power-up against him. Now, he did power-up against Vegeta, which is why he gained the upperhand very quickly. But, he was more upset that he couldn't continue his battle with Goku, if anything.

Yeah. Even though Goku was stronger, that entire fight was "playtime" for the both of them.

Which somehow made it even more awesome.

[testing223]

I wonder what Toriyama originally intended for fat buu's childish personality's origins. Given how all over the place the buu saga is, I doubt he intended the Fat Dai Kaio origin, especially since we don't even see it outside a half page flashback.

[FindKenshi]

I wonder what Toriyama originally intended for fat buu's childish personality's origins.

I have no reason to doubt that his intentions were any different then what we got in the manga. Dunno about any of you.

[Toriyama Boss]

As taboo as the Buus might be, I still can't stop thinking about Evil Buu. Where does he fit in the Buu hierarchy?

- Chibi Buu
- Burly Buu
- Fat Buu
- Super Buu
- Gotenks Buu
- Gohan Buu

I'm thinking that he'd be between Fat Buu and Super Buu, or roughly equal to that of Fat Buu... What do you guys think?

Did you rate these Buu's from strongest to weakest starting from the bottom on up (which is what I suspect)?
Evil Buu would be more powerful than Fat Buu.

[Xyex]

I wonder what Toriyama originally intended for fat buu's childish personality's origins. Given how all over the place the buu saga is, I doubt he intended the Fat Dai Kaio origin, especially since we don't even see it outside a half page flashback.

I doubt there was any specific cause at first. Buu's creation was largely accidental so the whole child-like personality was just the way he came out.

[Tyro]

- Chibi Buu
- Burly Buu
- Fat Buu
- Super Buu
- Gotenks Buu
- Gohan Buu

Boo (Southern Kaio-shin prime), or as you've labeled him, "Burly" Boo, was superior to even "Shin" Boo, as was stated by Goku. Upon ripping Mr. Boo from "Shin" Boo's physical and mental being and escaping in time to witness Boo's transgression back to the original Boo ("Chibi" Boo), while Boo is momentarily entering into the "Burly" form that Kaio-shin states was the form taken by Boo after absorbing the Southern Kaio-shin, Goku makes a statement of "...isn't his ki increasing?" as opposed to decreasing, as it does one transformation later.

[FindKenshi]

- Chibi Buu
- Burly Buu
- Fat Buu
- Super Buu
- Gotenks Buu
- Gohan Buu

Boo (Southern Kaio-shin prime), or as you've labeled him, "Burly" Boo, was superior to even "Shin" Boo, as was stated by Goku. Upon ripping Mr. Boo from "Shin" Boo's physical and mental being and escaping in time to witness Boo's transgression back to the original Boo ("Chibi" Boo), while Boo is momentarily entering into the "Burly" form that Kaio-shin states was the form taken by Boo after absorbing the Southern Kaio-shin, Goku makes a statement of "...isn't his ki increasing?" as opposed to decreasing, as it does one transformation later.

Yes, this is VERY true. Buff Buu > Super Buu. That is fact, you are right. And it is that simple fact, that throws a monkey wrench into making any sort of sense out of Majin Buu's power standings. If Super Buu is supposed to be stronger then Kid Buu, then why should Buff Buu be stronger then Super? It's as if, Buu's power risies, the purer he gets. Combined with Babidi/Dabura's statements about Kaioshin energy not being able to be used for Buu.

Also, theres' the fact that Kaioshin heavily implied that Gohan's power was far beyond any of his own kind's power, which puts SSJ2 Gohan (Pre Z-sword) beyond even South Kaioshin... so even if you do believe that Buu's power went up instead of down, when he absorbed South Kaioshin, he's still only absorbing a being that's weaker then a very weak Super Saiyan 2. In other words, sorta like putting a drop of water into a bucket. And that Buu is stronger then Super Buu? Yes he is. It is stated fact.

[Xyex]

Combined with Babidi/Dabura's statements about Kaioshin energy not being able to be used for Buu.

Not being suitable for reviving him. There's never any kind of statements made by anyone that Buu can't make full use of a Kaioshin's power when they're absorbed. In fact, the manga went so far as to specifically point out it was the Dai Kaioshin's personality that cuased Fat Buu to be weaker.

Also, theres' the fact that Kaioshin heavily implied that Gohan's power was far beyond any of his own kind's power, which puts SSJ2 Gohan (Pre Z-sword) beyond even South Kaioshin... so even if you do believe that Buu's power went up instead of down, when he absorbed South Kaioshin, he's still only absorbing a being that's weaker then a very weak Super Saiyan 2. In other words, sorta like putting a drop of water into a bucket

And a 'very weak SSJ2' is still strong as hell. And considering how little difference in power it makes to outclass someone it's far from a 'drop in a bucket'. It's also never said how much his power increased. And increase of two or three hundred million is stillan increase. And even if Super Buu's power was a billion an increase of even 200 million is a substantial ammount. Enough so that Buff Buu could kick the crap out of Super Buu without breaking a sweat of the two were somehow able to fight each other.

[Captain Awesome]

- Chibi Buu
- Burly Buu
- Fat Buu
- Super Buu
- Gotenks Buu
- Gohan Buu

I'm thoroughly confused, who the hell is "Burly Buu"..

[SonEric84]

- Chibi Buu
- Burly Buu
- Fat Buu
- Super Buu
- Gotenks Buu
- Gohan Buu

I'm thoroughly confused, who the hell is "Burly Buu"..

I was wondering the same thing.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I believe that's the Buu that absorbed the strongest Kai.

[FindKenshi]

But Buff Buu should not be stronger then Super Buu. Buff Buu is only Buu with one Kaioshin absorbed. Super Buu is Buu with TWO Kaioshins in him, but unlike Fat Buu--he actually has firm control over them, and not vice-versa.

Also, it's not like we don't know the power comparision between Buu and a Super Saiyan 2. Gohan's SSj2 energy stolen from him at the tournament, was enough to place Fat Buu's power near the 50% mark (just a little under it, I do believe).

So we know that Fat Buu alone is already twice as powerful as Gohan... well a double power increase is a MASSIVE one in Dragonball. As you were quick to point out, when you thought it actually aided your case, it only takes a 1.2 or even 1.12 times advantage over your opponent, in order to trounce them.

Fat Buu, who must be weaker then Kid Buu, based on statements by Goku; is already 2x stronger then Gohan , we can only dream how much higher Kid Buu's power was, so yes, I would say that absorbing someone who is FAR FAAAR weaker then Gohan would be like a drop of water into a bucket. For Kaioshin to say that Gohan's power defies all imagination, then yes, South Kaioshin cannot even begin to compare to Buu Saga SSj2 Gohan.

Because, remember--we're not talking about Kid Buu having absorbed a weak SSj2. We're talking about him having absorbed someone who was UNDER a weak SSj2. So much under, that Gohan's powers "defies all imagination" (direct quote from the manga, stated by Kaioshin about Gohan) and also, there's the whole "But no Kaioshin has ever lifted the Z-sword in the last 14 generations", yet even Base Goku can heft it around? The Kaioshin people are pathetic. Probably don't even compare to the Machine Men.

[Tyro]

"Burly" Boo:

[SonEric84]

But isn't that just the scene where he's reverting back to Kid Buu?

[Tyro]

Kind of. When "Shin" Boo is reverting back to his original form, before he actually reaches said form ("Chibi" Boo), he first passes through the form he took upon absorbing the Southern Kaio-shin ("Burly"/"Buff" Boo), and then transforms again, but this time decreasing in ki, back to the original Boo form.

Dragonball vol. 42:

Kaio-shin: "Then the strongest, the burly god of the south......was the next to go..."

Rao Kaio-shin: "...And Boo turned into that muscle man we just saw?"

Kaio-shin: "...Yes..."

[Xyex]

But isn't that just the scene where he's reverting back to Kid Buu?

That shot is, yeah. But it's a shot of him 'passing through' Buff Buu along the way back to Kid Buu. We see in the flash back of Buu's origins and how he got fat that absorbing the South Kaioshin made him buff.

But Buff Buu should not be stronger then Super Buu. Buff Buu is only Buu with one Kaioshin absorbed. Super Buu is Buu with TWO Kaioshins in him, but unlike Fat Buu--he actually has firm control over them, and not vice-versa.

We don't know that Super Buu had full access to all of the Kaioshin's strengths. The Dai Kaioshin could still have been supressing some of it. Thus if Fat Buu is 50 Super Buu could be 56 and Buff Buu could be 58 and what do you know? Buff Buu is stronger than Super Buu.

Also, it's not like we don't know the power comparision between Buu and a Super Saiyan 2. Gohan's SSj2 energy stolen from him at the tournament, was enough to place Fat Buu's power near the 50% mark (just a little under it, I do believe).

Yeah, SSJ2 Gohan had about half the energy needed to restore Buu and thus (likely) just short of half his strength. We're also shown that Majin Vegeta, who was dead even with SSJ2 Goku, wasn't strong enough to really do much to Fat Buu either, once Fat Buu got serious. So even Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan likely wouldn't have powered Buu up much over half strength.

Fat Buu, who must be weaker then Kid Buu, based on statements by Goku; is already 2x stronger then Gohan , we can only dream how much higher Kid Buu's power was, so yes, I would say that absorbing someone who is FAR FAAAR weaker then Gohan would be like a drop of water into a bucket. For Kaioshin to say that Gohan's power defies all imagination, then yes, South Kaioshin cannot even begin to compare to Buu Saga SSj2 Gohan.

Oh how quick you ignore facts you've just used when they no longer suit you.

Yes, a difference of even 1.09 is enough to trounce someone. Thus a difference of 1.09 or above is well beyond someone. So a difference of even just 1.20 would be enough to 'defy all imagination'. While that's significantly weaker in the scheme of a battle that's a small pittance in the scheme of actual amounts of energy. So if you were to place SSJ2 Gohan's power at, say, 400 million, that would mean that it'd be 'beyond imagination' compared to a power of around 330 million.

Because, remember--we're not talking about Kid Buu having absorbed a weak SSj2. We're talking about him having absorbed someone who was UNDER a weak SSj2. So much under, that Gohan's powers "defies all imagination" (direct quote from the manga, stated by Kaioshin about Gohan) and also, there's the whole "But no Kaioshin has ever lifted the Z-sword in the last 14 generations", yet even Base Goku can heft it around? The Kaioshin people are pathetic. Probably don't even compare to the Machine Men.

As mentioned above, putting Gohan at even 400 million puts him well above even just 330 million to fit that 'defies all imagination' line.

Also, pulling the sword OUT of the rock was apparently the hard part. Gohan had to transform to pull it but could hold it in base just fine.