The part I bolded is the reason you can't make this compute. Unless you are Akira Toriyama, the fact remains-- you don't know that. You may think you know it, but it may also be wrong. As far as Goku being stronger then Kid Buu, that is a complete and total laugh. Just because Goku may be able to destroy Buu if he gets to stand around powering up for a full minute, doesn't make him > Kid Buu. I'm certain that Kid Buu could do the same if allowed to do so with Goku. I'm also certain that Goku would've been dead if Vegeta and Mr. Buu weren't there to fill in for him when he ran out of steam.
The fact is, Kid Buu beat Goku in the 1 on 1 fight. Goku took everything he had to keep up with Kid Buu, and briefly fight an even battle. Kid Buu was ready to go the distance aftewards, taking on two more powerful opponents, and still being hungry for more. I can say that I completly disagree with your claim that SSj3 Goku > Kid Buu.. at the very best I'd rate Goku, they are about equal. Logically speaking, from what we see in the manga, Kid Buu is actually slightly superior.
We do know, for absolute fact, that Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Gohan is able to walk all over Super Buu. Goku says that he and Vegeta can't take him without fusion.
As for SSJ3 Goku being stronger than Kid Buu, admitedly that is my take on things based on a handful of factors. Goku believing he can take him (to the point of even smashing the Potara, thus eliminating that as even a back-up plan) being a big one. I see Goku's main issue in the Kid Buu a mixture of Buu's own resilant nature (you just can't
hurt him, it's all or nothing) and SSJ3 itself, which is said and shown to be incredibly straining and taxing.
I believe that his full power was at least slightly stronger than Buu. But his power slipped away faster than he expected (what with having never really made use of the form while alive before). So before long that advantage had vanished.
As for Goku ending up dead if Mr. Buu and Vegeta hadn't been there... well, yeah. But then Gohan and everyone on Earth would have been killed by Cell when he came back if Goku hadn't given Gohan a swift kick in the pants to counter Cell's Kamehameha. And Gohan was stronger than Cell at the time, so such arguements don't really help one way or the other.
I'm presenting my side of a case, you refuse to believe it could be a possibility
No, I don't, nor have I ever said I did. Nor implied that I did. If I saw anything that convinced me you were right I'd go with it. But nothing I've seen convinces me, there's imply not enough evidence to support it for me.
you are not Akira Toriyama, there is no definitive answer to this question.
I seiously doubt it would matter if I was, at this point in time, because by now he likely doesn't know either. (And likely doesn't care, for that matter
)
And I'm telling you I don't believe there IS an article, becasue things like that simply dont' disappear, especially when its that important, and for something as popular as Dragonball.
Are you kidding me? Do you have any idea just how much DB related information has been lost over the years, for years at a time, and only turns up again at random by pure chance? And then you've got the issue of mis-sourcing information, mistranslating, and so on and the whole thing becomes one big mess. It's why I'm not overly concerned with trying to locate the interview. I never used it as the basis for my position anyway, it was just one piece of supporting detail that I'm content to go without until it surfaces.
Though I am hoping it was something from the Shenron Times as TripleRach will be translating all of those shortly. Though it's possible it's something from one of the "ask" sections or perhaps even something that was mistranslated. In which case it probably wont ever be 'found' again. But then, that's why I never use just one thing to form an arguement from.
What other case could there possibly be? He said they could never stop that attack. He said NOTHING about his lack of time, he said "never". That is not "twisting words", that is what was printed on the page in the manga, I'm sure the word has just as specific a meaning in the Japanese language as it does in ours.
Except your making the statement
too specific. Obviously he didn't mean that he could never stop it. I'm sure, given ten million years to train, he'd have had no trouble stopping it. (Yes, I know, very absurd example, but that was the point.) In the context given it just means that, between when it's said and when the attack reaches the ground, there's no way for him to stop it. This allows for a multitude of reasons. It's my opinion that the reason is he simply couldn't get there in time, nor could he gather enough power in time, to repel or stop the attack.
After all, if Goku's even close enough to Buu's level of power to kill him, sans the Spirit Bomb (which is kind of cheating, really) then he
can muster something, given the time, to repel any attack Buu can make. Especially one generated that rapidly.
Nah, I think he yelled "Oh no" but whatever. It's not the same as begging.
Eh, I can't really remember either, so meh. My point with that was merely to present another instance where Goku had the power to stop a planet destroying attack but was unable to. He may not have begged with Frieza not to do it but he still wasn't able to stop it. And in this instance he didn't need to power up to do so, first.
Vegeta: "Don't go easy on my account, with the power of Super Saiyan 3 you should be able to wipe him out."
Goku: "I know, but I've been trying to do that. I'd need a whole minute to gather enough power."
Vegeta: "What!? You weren't holding back for me?"
Goku: "Darn, he keeps dragging this out too! He's toying with us."
Vegeta: "Gather your damn ki, I'll buy you that minute."
You know, now that I think about it... It's either a difference between the manga and the anime or a dub only thing, but I distinctly remember Goku telling Vegeta he
had been holding back, in order to give Vegeta a turn.
But we'll ignore that for a moment. What you pasted there actually works well to support
my viewpoint. More so than yours, I'd say. Vegeta says that with the power of Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku should be able to wipe him out, and Goku agrees. The fact Goku hadn't been able to do so, despite trying to do so, goes to the resilience of Buu. And to the need to create an attack
drastically more powerful than him in order to cause significant damage, let alone destroy him completely.
And the fact that he outright stated he'll be fighting at full power from the very start.
Even if he were fighting at full power from the start he wouldn't have remained at full power for all that long. The form is too taxing for that. This is demonstrated extensively both by the shortening of his time on Earth when he uses it to stall Buu and by his inablity to reach full power again in the time leading up to the Spirit Bomb. So even if his full power is enough to take out Buu it's not much help when it can't be reached again, and when it's lost before it's able to do the job.
Aren't you of the opinion that Gohan is "OMIGOSH TONS STRONGER THEN GOKU"? Then what keeps Gohan from simply stopping Buu from doing so?
Time. Buu needs all of 5 seconds to blow up the planet. If Gohan's not within 3 seconds of where ever Buu appears it wouldn't matter if he was 10x as strong as SSJ4 Gogeta, he's still not be able to stop him.
Well, I'm glad you at least realize that. I always get people who try to make bogus claims like "Gohan only gave less then half of his power, that's why it wasn't enough." So, since you require no convincing on this matter, then I simply have to refer back to my previous point, which I dont' really feel you shot down adaquetly. If you truly believe that Gohan >> Goku and Goku >> Kid Buu, and that Goku's full power could eradicate Buu, then what reason in the WORLD do you have to say that 99% or so of Gohan's power (to quote you) couldn't get the job done?
As I said, even in the last post, Buu's very nature could. He's borderline immortal. You need excessive ammounts of power just to damage him. Goku would have more than realized this by that point and would want a Spirit Bomb that has absolutely no chance of failing (as you said, it's their last chance and if it fails they're screwed). So him wanting to make one even 10x stronger than Buu isn't out of the question.
And TripleRach brought something else up in chat earlier. The manga makes clear distinctions between
Ki and
Genki. And we already know that the Spirit Bomb follows somewhat different rules than normal attacks. So there's really no way to know for sure that the energy Gohan contributed actually added up to as much
Ki as he has. Just that it was most of his
Genki.
But I lean more toward Goku wanting an Uber powerful Spirit Bomb he knew wouldn't fail, period, no matter what. Especially considering it never worked before when he thought it would.
Goku sure didn't argue with him though. And his face expression when he wondered if that's what Vegeta was planning to do, was anything but hopeful.
He looked more confused/clueless than anything, I think. And of course, Gotenks and Gohan just screwed up trying to stop Buu once. He was probably considering their chances of survival if Buu decided to absorb them again.
Thus, it's not the idea that the Earthlings are fighting back that turned Goku on to the idea, it's just the fact that it's probably the only viable way to destroy Kid Buu.
Well, it
is the easiest way to generate an attack of super massive proportions that Buu couldn't avoid and would have a chance of obliterating him. Not necassarily the only way, but definitely the easiest.
That won't work! It won't be enough!"