You are wrong. I did not at all say that. It's not my fault that you can't understand a very simple phrase that is commonly used in the English Language, but allow me to elaborate a bit: To say "For all we know as fact, this may be true", is not saying "this is true" it's saying for what we know to be fact (which, in this situation is *gasp* NOTHING AT ALL) then this COULD be a possibility.Xyex wrote:No. What you said was "For all we KNOW for FACT". That "FACT" changes the statement, it makes it a declaration, not an assumption. You stated that it is fact that:Hence why I said "For all we KNOW".Toriyama himself shifted the focus away from Gohan, because lets face it--the Great Saiyaman arc was not exactly the pinnacle of good storytelling. It was bland and uninteresting.
I will admit, the way I worded it is redundant, because it was not necessary to put "for fact" after the word "know", however I felt I had to emphasize the idea that what you are arguing is indeed UNFOUNDED. (ie: no hard evidence to back it up, not even a tiny little bit of shred), since it seems you have not accepted that. Anyway, redundancy aside, it simply does not mean what you are trying to say it means. You misunderstood what I was trying to say, yet still you argue, saying I said what you thought I meant, but what I said is NOT what you thought it meant--again, not my fault.
And your LIKING of it doesn't change anything either. I'm not the one putting words into Akira Toriyama's mouth, saying "This change in the story happened for this reason." I'm the one here having good faith in his ability to tell a story, you're the ones here claiming "So and so was the hero, only because they made AT do it."Your dislike of the arc does not change the fact it
That's not failure on Goku's part. He trusted the younger generation to get the job done, and they failed HIM.And if you want to talk 'epic failure', how about the fact Goku let the Earth get blown up when he could have just stopped Buu before he'd even become Super Buu?
It is a legit discussion, my feelings on Gohan change nothing. If you want to claim "Akira Toriyama was forced to do this" or "Akira Toriyama said this" or whatever, you still have to back it up. Because, my bias against Gohan still hasn't made me as bad as you are here. I'm not the one making unfounded claims, and producing no kind of real EVIDENCE at all to back it up.See, when this whole discussion started I assumed that it was a legit discussion. That you, like most normal people, just wanted some sort of evidence to back up a claim.
