GT is canon as much as Super is

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Then do the favor and explain to us how you "manage" the other works if there is canon and only the manga is. What are all the other works? Where do they stand before the canon/solely the manga? What word do you use for them?

I made changes to my reply. And I didn't say only the manga is canon, I merely stated that the manga is the foundation. It's the one thing we can take as a given. In the case of Super and GT, I would use "continuity."

[Grimlock]

I'm bringing it up because people keep saying nonsensical things like "there is no canon".

Nothing is more nonsensical than saying there is a certain thing even though no official entity established this certain thing.

If we agree that the original story is the foundation, that statement is rendered null and void. It's not nearly as astute as the people making it think it is. It makes things MORE confusing.

No, canonicity is not here to disputy the validity of the original work. It is meant for all the other things created in the franchise. This is so simple. Canonicity is here to make things a little bit more simple. People is confused about which continuity to pick about Dragon Ball Super, a canon would tell you which one you should pick.

There is no canon = We don't know what other events the original work accepts in its continuity because no official entity established what other events the manga acknowledges. It's that simple.

And I didn't say only the manga is canon, I merely stated that the manga is the foundation. It's the one thing we can take as a given. In the case of Super and GT, I would use "continuity."

Oh, in your preferences you understand that the manga is not the only canonical work and you use continuity? Right, then tell me, if there is a canon, which continuity the manga acknowledge?

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I'm bringing it up because people keep saying nonsensical things like "there is no canon".

Nothing is more nonsensical than saying there is a certain thing even though no official entity established this certain thing.

If we agree that the original story is the foundation, that statement is rendered null and void. It's not nearly as astute as the people making it think it is. It makes things MORE confusing.

No, canonicity is not here to disputy the validity of the original work. It is meant for all the other things created in the franchise. This is so simple. Canonicity is here to make things a little bit more simple. People is confused about which continuity to pick about Dragon Ball Super, a canon would tell you which one you should pick.

There is no canon = We don't know what other events the original work accepts in its continuity because no official entity established what other events the manga acknowledges. It's that simple.

And I didn't say only the manga is canon, I merely stated that the manga is the foundation. It's the one thing we can take as a given. In the case of Super and GT, I would use "continuity."

Oh, in your preferences you understand that the manga is not the only canonical work and you use continuity? Right, then tell me, if there is a canon, which continuity the manga acknowledge?

The manga was established as canon when Toriyama wrote it. It is the story. You don't need an explicit statement. Case in point, the term canon was first mentioned in the context of narrative fiction to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories. He never said anything about this issue.

No, canon can also apply to the original work. For instance, if a character was established and then later retconned out, then that would be part of the original work. For example, in That 70's Show, Donna originally had a younger sister but it was later said she was an only child. Her sister was no longer canon.

I didn't say there was only one canonical work. I said that there's one work we can all acknowledge as canon. There are other works that could be considered canon, but that would require an explicit statement. Honestly I don't see what value there is in that. Something being canon doesn't inherently make it good. That's why I brought up continuity because it doesn't confuse the issue and it's useful. "What stories are in continuity with GT" is less confusing than "what stories are canon with GT?" Also, canon can change.

I don't know what your last question means.

When you write things like "Oh..." it doesn't sound like you feel as though I've clarified my point, but are making a condescending remark. Can we do away with that and just have an exchange of ideas? Are you interested in reading my reply or are you waiting for your turn? If it's the latter, then there's no point in going any further.

[ZodaEX]

Then do the favor and explain to us how you "manage" the other works if there is canon and only the manga is. What are all the other works? Where do they stand before the canon/solely the manga? What word do you use for them?

I would never be so full of myself to think that I have the authority to declare what constitutes what Dragon Ball canon one way or another.
One thing I caught onto very early on this forum, is that 9 out of 10 board users don't seem to understand what the difference is between canon and continuity what so ever. Lots of folks here constantly use the word canon when what they really mean is continuity.

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Then do the favor and explain to us how you "manage" the other works if there is canon and only the manga is. What are all the other works? Where do they stand before the canon/solely the manga? What word do you use for them?

I would never be so full of myself to think that I have the authority to declare what constitutes what Dragon Ball canon one way or another.
One thing I caught onto very early on this forum, is that 9 out of 10 board users don't seem to understand what the difference is between canon and continuity what so ever. Lots of folks here constantly use the word canon when what they really mean is continuity.

I do think there is a distinction, but would you mind telling us what you believe the difference to be?

[ZodaEX]

Then do the favor and explain to us how you "manage" the other works if there is canon and only the manga is. What are all the other works? Where do they stand before the canon/solely the manga? What word do you use for them?

I would never be so full of myself to think that I have the authority to declare what constitutes what Dragon Ball canon one way or another.
One thing I caught onto very early on this forum, is that 9 out of 10 board users don't seem to understand what the difference is between canon and continuity what so ever. Lots of folks here constantly use the word canon when what they really mean is continuity.

I do think there is a distinction, but would you mind telling us what you believe the difference to be?

Canon is an out of Universe collection of works. Continuity is where a work's events pick up and continues from a previous work.

To use Star Wars as an example:
The Star Wars Holiday Special is in continuity with Star Wars A New Hope because it's a continuation of the story following Star Wars. However it's not canon to Star Wars because the owner of the franchise has excluded it from the collection of Star Wars works that they deem to be Canon.

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But the holiday special IS a Star Wars work, it's just not considered part of the Star Wars story. For instance, Chewie doesn't have a wife, as far as I know.

I think I get your point, but there has to be a better formulation because you could easily say the holiday special isn't canon and has been thrown out of continuity since the events of the other official works don't acknowledge and probably contradict the story and characters in that special. I don't know for certain as I haven't seen much Star Wars beyond the movies and the Thrawn Trilogy.

Canon and continuity are interrelated concepts with a lot of overlap.

[PFM18]

Why would the arc exist if not to overwrite the movie? It is just there for no reason?

I mean at this point the logic would involve a sort of Top Trumps effect. Battle of Gods the movie came out first in 2013, but then the manga comes out in June 2015 to overwrite it, and then the anime appears in July 2015 to overwrite that. So apparently the manga was the true canon for about a month, I'm guessing??

The real answer is that not enough care has been put into the various tellings of BoG and RoF to make sense of it, since there's no clear winner or "fullest story". There's just three versions of the same story.

The manga and the anime each of their version of the events that exist within their continuity. But each of them were created to overwrite the movie for their respective continuities with an entire series following it in mind; the movie was just supposed to be a stand-alone movie maybe with another behind it. So no, the anime didn't overwrite the manga, they exist separate from one another.