Vic Mignogna

[MasenkoHA]

Wait, what? Vic Mignogna? A creepy pervert? Wow. I can’t help but be hesitant to beleive this.

And yet apparently it’s been an open secret for years


https://hetalia-wank.livejournal.com/31 ... 71#t115571

http://vicmeggnognahorrorstories.tumblr.com

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/20 ... s/67872530


This. Isn’t. New. It’s just getting attention now.

, but the politicalization of the “#MeToo” movement (ie; the ridiculous Brett Kavanaugh fiasco) has left a lot of people thinking twice when people come out with their stories.

People have always been doubtful of accusations of sexual assault loooong before #MeToo came into focus


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I want to think Vic is just used to women desiring him and that he overstepped his bounds without realizing that he was making those people uncomfortable. I’m going to have to read up on this some more.

I don’t care how used to women wanting him he is. Any moron should realize that kind of behavior isn’t appropriate around teenage girls


Uhh to clarify I am calling Vic a moron here not you.

[Fionordequester]

Wait, what? Vic Mignogna? A creepy pervert? Wow. I can’t help but be hesitant to beleive this. I’ve met him in person and he just seems like the last person in the world who would do these kinds of things.

They always do. That's part of how they get away with it for so long. Because unfortunately, humans are not as good at detecting lies as they'd like to think.

[Kunzait_83]

And yet apparently it’s been an open secret for years


https://hetalia-wank.livejournal.com/31 ... 71#t115571

http://vicmeggnognahorrorstories.tumblr.com

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/20 ... s/67872530


This. Isn’t. New. It’s just getting attention now.

This same exact principal also applies to a LOT of the more publicized, celebrity-focused #MeToo cases, from Bill Cosby to Harvey Weinstein to Kevin Spacey to Bryan Singer to Roger Ailes, etc. For a great MANY of these guys, this stuff has BEEN out there passed around the grapevine for years and years and years and years (people have been making "Bill Cosby's a rapist" jokes as far back as the early/mid 90s, if not earlier: literally damn near almost EVERY other actress who has ever spent any significant time in Hollywood has had SOME horror-story or other about Cosby assaulting them since forever and ever ago - you think they're ALL just making it up?): it simply took a movement like #MeToo to get some genuine momentum for public outcry and real justice (in whatever form) to actually come to fruition, rather than have a lot of these guys remain protected under the sheer weight of their money, professional connections, lawyers/publicists, and general public goodwill/reputations for their professional work.

[GigaDrill]

Wait, what? Vic Mignogna? A creepy pervert? Wow. I can’t help but be hesitant to beleive this. I’ve met him in person and he just seems like the last person in the world who would do these kinds of things.

They always do. That's part of how they get away with it for so long. Because unfortunately, humans are not as good at detecting lies as they'd like to think.

I always thought it was that the outright creepy ones get caught right away while the charismatic offenders manage to get away with it. We've had serial killers before Ted Bundy, but Ted Bundy became famous because of how charming he acted, especially when compared to the typical image of a serial killer.

[Shaddy]

"What do you have against Vic Mignogna? Everyone says he's a really nice guy."

Spoiler:

[TVfan721]

What is the obsession that fans have with Vic in the first place? He is the only voice actor to have such a huge, obsessively loyal following like this. It almost comes off looking like a cult. It's very creepy.

[Fionordequester]

I always thought it was that the outright creepy ones get caught right away while the charismatic offenders manage to get away with it. We've had serial killers before Ted Bundy, but Ted Bundy became famous because of how charming he acted, especially when compared to the typical image of a serial killer.

Yeah; the outright creepy ones aren't the ones who tend to be successful. It's the ones who establish a good reputation that get away with things.

[JulieYBM]

What is the obsession that fans have with Vic in the first place? He is the only voice actor to have such a huge, obsessively loyal following like this. It almost comes off looking like a cult. It's very creepy.

He and his mom cultivated it based off of the mid-2000s success of the FUNimation dub of Hagane no Renkinjutsushi. They have a fan club--the Risembool Rangers--and he has purposefully kept his name in the convention circuit to create a marketing machine to promote himself.

It'd be admirable if he didn't use it to sexually assault people.

[MasenkoHA]

What is the obsession that fans have with Vic in the first place? He is the only voice actor to have such a huge, obsessively loyal following like this. It almost comes off looking like a cult. It's very creepy.

Meh I understand Vic’s in that Johnny Yong Bosch category of uber popular anime voice actor for weebs but to be honest I think any celebrity would get this kind of defense brigade.

If Sea Schemmel for example was revealed to be this kind of creep with undeniable evidence (and no I’m not accusing Schemmel of anything as far as I can tell nothing about Schemmel suggest he does this crap) you bet your ass anime fans would be bending over backwards to come to his defense especially Dragon Ball Z fans

[JulieYBM]

What is the obsession that fans have with Vic in the first place? He is the only voice actor to have such a huge, obsessively loyal following like this. It almost comes off looking like a cult. It's very creepy.

Meh I understand Vic’s in that Johnny Yong Bosch category of uber popular anime voice actor for weebs but to be honest I think any celebrity would get this kind of defense brigade.

If Sea Schemmel for example was revealed to be this kind of creep with undeniable evidence (and no I’m not accusing Schemmel of anything as far as I can tell nothing about Schemmel suggest he does this crap) you bet your ass anime fans would be bending over backwards to come to his defense especially Dragon Ball Z fans

Schemmel is actually a known douchebag, even among his colleagues.

[Kunzait_83]

What is the obsession that fans have with Vic in the first place? He is the only voice actor to have such a huge, obsessively loyal following like this. It almost comes off looking like a cult. It's very creepy.

He's hardly the only one: there's a surprising amount of general fan-fixation on various English anime dub and general cartoon VAs, and has been since at the very least the late 90s. Mignogna's a particularly notable one, but everyone from Steve Blum to Scott McNeil to Johnny Yong Bosch to Monica Rial to Tara Strong to Sabat & Schemmel, and countless others all have these weird little cultish followings within Western/North American anime fandom - and have had them going back decades now - that reveres them like superstars.

I've personally NEVER understood it; I've never been a VA groupie in general, so I'm utterly at a loss to explain what exactly the appeal is. I get major movie stars, I get rock stars, I get supermodels and how other such "glamorous" public celebrity figures can sometimes attract weird and creepily cult-like devoted followings that are obsessed with their every daily minutia. I still think its dumb and vapid at best, and gross and creepy as all hell at worst: but I at least can wrap my head around it and understand WHY it happens for those types of figures.

But anime/cartoon voice actors? Specifically English ones? Nope: totally fucking mystified on that one and always have been.

[MasenkoHA]

What is the obsession that fans have with Vic in the first place? He is the only voice actor to have such a huge, obsessively loyal following like this. It almost comes off looking like a cult. It's very creepy.

Meh I understand Vic’s in that Johnny Yong Bosch category of uber popular anime voice actor for weebs but to be honest I think any celebrity would get this kind of defense brigade.

If Sea Schemmel for example was revealed to be this kind of creep with undeniable evidence (and no I’m not accusing Schemmel of anything as far as I can tell nothing about Schemmel suggest he does this crap) you bet your ass anime fans would be bending over backwards to come to his defense especially Dragon Ball Z fans

Schemmel is actually a known douchebag, even among his colleagues.

Him being a douchebag =/= being a creep who hits on underage teenagers and gets waaay to touchy feely with them.

[Shaddy]

Schemmel is actually a known douchebag, even among his colleagues.

But is he this kind of douche? Like I know about the Kamehacon thing with Kelamis, or when he responded to a question about the Goku Black accent with something like "uhhh the SJWs" but that's on a different level.

[Robo4900]

What is the obsession that fans have with Vic in the first place? He is the only voice actor to have such a huge, obsessively loyal following like this. It almost comes off looking like a cult. It's very creepy.

Meh I understand Vic’s in that Johnny Yong Bosch category of uber popular anime voice actor for weebs but to be honest I think any celebrity would get this kind of defense brigade.

If Sea Schemmel for example was revealed to be this kind of creep with undeniable evidence (and no I’m not accusing Schemmel of anything as far as I can tell nothing about Schemmel suggest he does this crap) you bet your ass anime fans would be bending over backwards to come to his defense especially Dragon Ball Z fans

Schemmel is actually a known douchebag, even among his colleagues.

I'm given to understand it's just that he clashes with some people; he's quite obsessive, very talkative and at a rapid pace, quite strongly opinionated about certain things, and pretty much always sticks to his guns. So, he puts some people off.

So... The situation, as I understand it, is simply that some people don't get along with him, that's all.
There is the lingering question of that one allegation thrown against him from that ANN thread, but nothing has come of that so far.

[Gyt Kaliba]

But anime/cartoon voice actors? Specifically English ones? Nope: totally fucking mystified on that one.

Why exactly would that be any weirder than the praise heaped upon seiyuu in anime and video games? Whether one likes dubs or not, there's nothing any weirder with being a fan of voice actors in any language. Some people take it too far of course, but that's true with any sort of fandom.

And as you said, it's hardly exclusive to anime either. There are tons of fans out there for the likes of Billy West, Rob Paulsen, Frank Welker, and a ton of actors who do domestic animation in the US as well. And why not? Voice-over is every bit as valid as any other kind of acting, and if someone does good work (which is always subjective though, of course), then it naturally follows that people would be a fan of them, just the same way as people are fans of live action actors, or novelists, or comic book artists.

[JulieYBM]

Meh I understand Vic’s in that Johnny Yong Bosch category of uber popular anime voice actor for weebs but to be honest I think any celebrity would get this kind of defense brigade.

If Sea Schemmel for example was revealed to be this kind of creep with undeniable evidence (and no I’m not accusing Schemmel of anything as far as I can tell nothing about Schemmel suggest he does this crap) you bet your ass anime fans would be bending over backwards to come to his defense especially Dragon Ball Z fans

Schemmel is actually a known douchebag, even among his colleagues.

Him being a douchebag =/= being a creep who hits on underage teenagers and gets waaay to touchy feely with them.

Not saying he is, just that he's not exactly in high respect among his colleagues.

[MasenkoHA]

What is the obsession that fans have with Vic in the first place? He is the only voice actor to have such a huge, obsessively loyal following like this. It almost comes off looking like a cult. It's very creepy.

He's hardly the only one: there's a surprising amount of general fan-fixation on various English anime dub and general cartoon VAs, and has been since at the very least the late 90s. Mignogna's a particularly notable one, but everyone from Steve Blum to Scott McNeil to Johnny Yong Bosch to Monica Rial to Tara Strong to Sabat & Schemmel, and countless others all have these weird little cultish followings within Western/North American anime fandom - and have had them going back decades now - that reveres them like superstars.

I've personally NEVER understood it; I've never been a VA groupie in general, so I'm utterly at a loss to explain what exactly the appeal is. I get major movie stars, I get rock stars, I get supermodels and how other such "glamorous" public celebrity figures can sometimes attract weird and creepily cult-like devoted followings that are obsessed with their every daily minutia. I still think its dumb and vapid at best, and gross and creepy as all hell at worst: but I at least can wrap my head around it and understand WHY it happens for those types of figures.

But anime/cartoon voice actors? Specifically English ones? Nope: totally fucking mystified on that one and always have been.

A mixture of seeing the face behind their childhood and cons creating this false narrative that these people being paid to meet you and take photos with you and sign things for you actually want to be your friend. I assume anyways

I mean yeah it’s cool that Tara Strong is in like every American cartoon ever made from the late 90s onward but I can’t fathom worshipping her beyond a mild appreciation of her work

[Ryuji-Otogi]

Wait, what? Vic Mignogna? A creepy pervert? Wow. I can’t help but be hesitant to beleive this.

And yet apparently it’s been an open secret for years


https://hetalia-wank.livejournal.com/31 ... 71#t115571

http://vicmeggnognahorrorstories.tumblr.com

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/20 ... s/67872530


This. Isn’t. New. It’s just getting attention now.

, but the politicalization of the “#MeToo” movement (ie; the ridiculous Brett Kavanaugh fiasco) has left a lot of people thinking twice when people come out with their stories.

People have always been doubtful of accusations of sexual assault loooong before #MeToo came into focus


.

I want to think Vic is just used to women desiring him and that he overstepped his bounds without realizing that he was making those people uncomfortable. I’m going to have to read up on this some more.

I don’t care how used to women wanting him he is. Any moron should realize that kind of behavior isn’t appropriate around teenage girls


Uhh to clarify I am calling Vic a moron here not you.

I suppose that skepticism has always been there. But when Hollywood celebrities, news channels, and politicians started lecturing Americans to “BELEIVE ALL WOMEN”, it seems to me that that was the point that the #MeToo movement really lost a lot of steam. We shouldn’t attack people who come forward with accusations, but we also shouldn’t assume guilt either.

Now, some of the social media posts I’ve read are concerning. Granted, they’re intermixed with people calling him a homophobe and a bigot—and their reasons for doing so are shallow and bigoted in and of themselves.

One thing I absolutely don’t tolerate is inappropriate behavior towards children, so if the stories of him creeping on teenage girls are true then that is reprehensible, especially if it’s obvious they’re underage. It’s still not clear to me though that he has indeed “creeped” on them in the way that some social media posts have described. One of the posts was by someone who explained that she thought Vic was stalking her because she ran into him two days in a row during a weeklong anime convention and offered her compliments. I’m not calling her a liar—I’m just saying that her perception of what happened is not necessarily reality. And it might be a mistake to assume his guilt based on these types of stories.

Having said all that, I don’t think it very likely that tons of people would conspire against an anime voice actor. There’s little motif there. Vic must have made people uncomfortable and he’s responsible for that behavior, no one else. The real question is what his intents were, and how bad his transgressions truly were. Does he genuinely have a touchy feely personality that he needs to reign in? Were his intentions “innocent” (even if still unacceptable)? Or does he behave that way because, like, his dick gets hard when he smells a 15 year old girl’s hair? THAT’s what I want to get to the bottom of. And that will factor strongly in how I judge his actions, even if they’re unacceptable in either circumstance. That’s the sentiment I am trying to express.

[MasenkoHA]

Meh I understand Vic’s in that Johnny Yong Bosch category of uber popular anime voice actor for weebs but to be honest I think any celebrity would get this kind of defense brigade.

If Sea Schemmel for example was revealed to be this kind of creep with undeniable evidence (and no I’m not accusing Schemmel of anything as far as I can tell nothing about Schemmel suggest he does this crap) you bet your ass anime fans would be bending over backwards to come to his defense especially Dragon Ball Z fans

Schemmel is actually a known douchebag, even among his colleagues.

I'm given to understand it's just that he clashes with some people; he's quite obsessive, very talkative and at a rapid pace, quite strongly opinionated about certain things, and pretty much always sticks to his guns. So, he puts some people off.

So... The situation, as I understand it, is simply that some people don't get along with him, that's all.
There is the lingering question of that one allegation thrown against him from that ANN thread, but nothing has come of that so far.

The worst I’ve ever heard about Schemmel is him being super thinned skin at the fact that other English Goku’s exist. Particularly Kirby Marrow and Peter Kelamis I guess.

[Robo4900]

Schemmel is actually a known douchebag, even among his colleagues.

I'm given to understand it's just that he clashes with some people; he's quite obsessive, very talkative and at a rapid pace, quite strongly opinionated about certain things, and pretty much always sticks to his guns. So, he puts some people off.

So... The situation, as I understand it, is simply that some people don't get along with him, that's all.
There is the lingering question of that one allegation thrown against him from that ANN thread, but nothing has come of that so far.

The worst I’ve ever heard about Schemmel is him being super thinned skin at the fact that other English Goku’s exist. Particularly Kirby Marrow and Peter Kelamis I guess.

I heard the main thing is that he takes issue with the other Gokus signing DVDs and such that he was actually on, and similarly he will refuse to sign any older DVDs that one of the other Gokus was on.

Apparently they talked it out to some extent.