Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[PFM18]

So has anyone discussed Broly's FP Super Saiyan multiplier?

The fact that his fur while Oozaru appears to be Green tells me that he only used the Oozaru power with Super Saiyan with his FPSS state. So that would mean it's a 500 times multiplier.

It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

Broly's SSJ and Gogeta's SSJ were roughly on par with each other, and then Broly goes LSSJ(Or FP SSJ) and Gogeta goes SSB and then Gogeta gains the upper hand. So it falls somewhere between SSJ and SSB with it falling much closer to SSB than to SSJ. I personally have SSB at 40,000x Base, so I have LSSJ at around 25,000 or 30,000x Base.

[Bullza]

New episode of everyone's favourite Dragon Ball Heroes.

Jiren is supposedly equal to Base Cunber. So that would make him about the same as Super Saiyan Blue Vegito with Kaioken.

Then again I don't know if this is meant to be a much more powerful Base Cunber because in the manga there was a Base Cunber with a Ki Tail that was supposed to be even stronger than his previous Super Saiyan 3.

Not sure if there was something like that in the anime.

Fused Zamasu is seemed to be fighting pretty evenly with Jiren. I think he's meant to be a more powerful Zamasu though.

And then Ultra Instinct Omen Goku seems more powerful than Jiren to me. Which actually probably does make sense now that I think about it.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

New episode of everyone's favourite Dragon Ball Heroes.

Jiren is supposedly equal to Base Cunber. So that would make him about the same as Super Saiyan Blue Vegito with Kaioken.

Then again I don't know if this is meant to be a much more powerful Base Cunber because in the manga there was a Base Cunber with a Ki Tail that was supposed to be even stronger than his previous Super Saiyan 3.

Not sure if there was something like that in the anime.

Fused Zamasu is seemed to be fighting pretty evenly with Jiren. I think he's meant to be a more powerful Zamasu though.

And then Ultra Instinct Omen Goku seems more powerful than Jiren to me. Which actually probably does make sense now that I think about it.

Well, at the very least, Jiren can fight against SS3 Cumber like SS4 Vegito did. Also, he can still beat away Punished Zamasu and Oren Vegeta easily when he can land a hit.

And this Ultra Instinct Omen Goku seems to be the strongest fighter present indeed. Makes sense, since he's been training with Daishinkan.

[Zamasu55]

New episode of everyone's favourite Dragon Ball Heroes.

Jiren is supposedly equal to Base Cunber. So that would make him about the same as Super Saiyan Blue Vegito with Kaioken.

Then again I don't know if this is meant to be a much more powerful Base Cunber because in the manga there was a Base Cunber with a Ki Tail that was supposed to be even stronger than his previous Super Saiyan 3.

Not sure if there was something like that in the anime.

Fused Zamasu is seemed to be fighting pretty evenly with Jiren. I think he's meant to be a more powerful Zamasu though.

And then Ultra Instinct Omen Goku seems more powerful than Jiren to me. Which actually probably does make sense now that I think about it.

Jiren clearly isn't at full power. Please it's funny but all his cool attacks are never seen...
Still, Cumber and Zamasu didn't land a blow on him.

[Kenneth La Torre]

The fact that Jiren wasn't serious against ssj3 cumber is amazing. Especially since cumber was supposed to be above ToP jiren.

Jiren quickly proved cumber wrong when he said they were equal.

[Bullza]

Well we don't really know how much power Jiren was using aside from the fact he wasn't using his Limit Breaker form.

Do people think he's a match for Super Saiyan 3 Cunber? The fight was so brief I didn't think much of it but I suppose he could be.

Full Power Jiren was about as strong as Ultra Instinct Omen Goku. That was in the ToP though, this Goku could be stronger from training which might be why he one shot Oren.

[SupremeKai25]

I must say that Fused Zamasu fought much better than I expected against Jiren. I don't know if he got a power boost once he received those new upgrades/healed his arm, but he definitely gave a decent performance. Most people against Jiren just get stomped, Zamasu instead managed to trade a few blows and dodge some of Jiren's attacks.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

I must say that Fused Zamasu fought much better than I expected against Jiren. I don't know if he got a power boost once he received those new upgrades/healed his arm, but he definitely gave a decent performance. Most people against Jiren just get stomped, Zamasu instead managed to trade a few blows and dodge some of Jiren's attacks.

But then he got smacked like the bitch punk he is just a literal minute later

[SupremeKai25]

I must say that Fused Zamasu fought much better than I expected against Jiren. I don't know if he got a power boost once he received those new upgrades/healed his arm, but he definitely gave a decent performance. Most people against Jiren just get stomped, Zamasu instead managed to trade a few blows and dodge some of Jiren's attacks.

But then he got smacked like the bitch punk he is just a literal minute later

At least he lasted one minute, people like Kale got stomped in 5 seconds.

Obviously I am not saying that Fused Zamasu is as strong as Jiren, but when you read this forum, some people think that Jiren could easily wipe the floor with Zamasu. Instead in Heroes Zamasu was able to at least hold his ground for some time against Jiren, before being interrupted and distracted by Goku.

[Bullza]

I must say that Fused Zamasu fought much better than I expected against Jiren. I don't know if he got a power boost once he received those new upgrades/healed his arm, but he definitely gave a decent performance. Most people against Jiren just get stomped, Zamasu instead managed to trade a few blows and dodge some of Jiren's attacks.

He probably is, same way Mecha Tao and Frieza powered up. In the one game opening he had an advantage over Super Saiyan (2?) Kefla who was at least in the Jiren range. I don't know anything about the game myself but apparently he beats her in the game as well.

So he could be around as strong as Goku's Ultra Instinct from the second time whereas Jiren is around as strong as Goku's Ultra instinct from the third time.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Jiren and goku definitely had some insane gains after the ToP. But I'm sure LB jiren will be used against hearts, he will lose there. There's no point in hearts wondering who is stronger if he caps at just cumber level, which he doesn't as shown in the episode. Not even a scratch. Looks like he was holding back too. Zamasu was able to dodge hold his own in round one, but got smacked in round two.

[SupremeKai25]

Not only was Fused Zamasu confused and shocked when he saw Goku and the Grand Priest, he was also going for Goku when Jiren appeared out of nowhere, parried his attack, and punched him in the face. Clearly Zamasu wasn't expecting Jiren to be in the way, so that punch to the face that he got doesn't really mean that much.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Btw, in the game, jiren faces off against ssj3 cumber, fused zamasu, and hearts at the same time. After the fight, heartso praises jiren for being worthy of the title strongest warrior in the multiverse.

I'll put a link soon.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Btw, in the game, jiren faces off against ssj3 cumber, fused zamasu, and hearts at the same time. After the fight, heartso praises jiren for being worthy of the title strongest warrior in the multiverse.

I'll put a link soon.

I can believe it. I highly doubt ANYONE is considered stronger than Ultra Instinct Goku in SDBH as far as the usual characters go, and Jiren got the closest to that range out of anyone.

As well, Jiren wasn't jobbed out this episode. He never took any damage, he was never pushed into a corner, and he never showcased hints of his full power.

[Zamasu55]

Not only was Fused Zamasu confused and shocked when he saw Goku and the Grand Priest, he was also going for Goku when Jiren appeared out of nowhere, parried his attack, and punched him in the face. Clearly Zamasu wasn't expecting Jiren to be in the way, so that punch to the face that he got doesn't really mean that much.

No, Zamasu clearly saw Jiren getting in the way, in fact he attacks him, not Goku.

[Kenneth La Torre]

So since the game canon was the one who brought up the statement below, and jiren fought ssj3 cumber, fusion zamasu, and hearts at the same time, we can either do 2 things.

1. We ignore the statement about base cumber being stronger than ToP jiren and beerus

Or

2. Accept the fact that Jiren got hundreds of times more powerful after the ToP, essentially making him dozens of times stronger than all GoDs combined.

[Zamasu55]

So since the game canon was the one who brought up the statement below, and jiren fought ssj3 cumber, fusion zamasu, and hearts at the same time, we can either do 2 things.

1. We ignore the statement about base cumber being stronger than ToP jiren and beerus

Or

2. Accept the fact that Jiren got hundreds of times more powerful after the ToP, essentially making him dozens of times stronger than all GoDs combined.

Who said this?

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

So since the game canon was the one who brought up the statement below, and jiren fought ssj3 cumber, fusion zamasu, and hearts at the same time, we can either do 2 things.

1. We ignore the statement about base cumber being stronger than ToP jiren and beerus

Or

2. Accept the fact that Jiren got hundreds of times more powerful after the ToP, essentially making him dozens of times stronger than all GoDs combined.

Who said this?

Yeah, I'd like to know. SS3 Cumber, sure, but BASE Cumber?

[Zamasu55]

So since the game canon was the one who brought up the statement below, and jiren fought ssj3 cumber, fusion zamasu, and hearts at the same time, we can either do 2 things.

1. We ignore the statement about base cumber being stronger than ToP jiren and beerus

Or

2. Accept the fact that Jiren got hundreds of times more powerful after the ToP, essentially making him dozens of times stronger than all GoDs combined.

Who said this?

Yeah, I'd like to know. SS3 Cumber, sure, but BASE Cumber?

But not even FP Ssj3 is stronger than Jiren. In the game Jiren took all the Core Area Warriors on, and in today's episode he was having the edge against Cumber, in fact Hearts had to stop the fight.

[Bullza]

Well here's my attempt at trying to rank these Heroes characters as tricky as it may be.

Dark King Mechikabura
Mechikabura

Ultra Instinct Goku
Hearts | Limit Breaker Jiren
Ultra Instinct Omen Goku
Super Saiyan 3 Full Power Cunber | Jiren
Super Fu
Golden Great Ape Cunber
Super Saiyan 4 Vegito: Xeno | Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta: Xeno
Super Saiyan 3 Cunber

Cunber
Super Saiyan Blue Vegito Kaio-ken
Super Saiyan Blue Vegito

Mecha Fused Zamasu
Super Saiyan Kefla
Super Saiyan Blue Goku Kaio-ken x20

Mira (Final Form)
Super Saiyan Blue Goku | Vegeta | Toppo
Super Saiyan 4 Goku: Xeno | Vegeta: Xeno | Broly Dark
Golden Cooler
Hit
Super Saiyan God Goku

Super Saiyan Gogeta: Xeno
Demon God Towa | Dabura | Gravy | Putine | Salsa | Shroom | Chamel

Dark Kid Buu (Janemba absorbed)
Janemba
Slug

Vegito: Xeno | Dark Kid Buu
Vegeks: Xeno
Gohanks: Xeno | Gotenks: Xeno

Super Saiyan 3 Bardock
King Vegeta: Xeno

Super Saiyan 2 Berserk Goku
Super Saiyan Goku | Vegeta | Trunks
Oren | Kamin
Super Saiyan Cabba | Caulifla | Kale

Turles
Pre-Stabilised Demon God Towa | Dabura | Gravy | Putine | Salsa
Kid Buu
Frieza

Goku | Goku: Xeno | Vegeta | Vegeta: Xeno | Trunks
Cabba | Caulifla | Kale
Cell
Gohan: Xeno | Goten: Xeno | Trunks: Xeno
Mira