DragonBall Z Season 4 Set...

[Artificial Human #887]

I don't think I'm going to take this one lying down, to be honest. I can't be a person who bitches and doesn't even try to make an effort to change it. Even if in the past, it's done nothing...

I really tried to give Funi the benefit of the doubt for as long as I could. The dub has a special place in my heart, but it's coming down to having these sets just to watch it subbed. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but what's the point of in-house dubbing that way? As many people are, I'm sick of being treated like some stupid kid by Funi. It couldn't hurt, I guess.

I was willing to deal with the widescreen and the "remastering," but don't promise me some ultimate version of my favorite show that's far from it. In the meantime, I will enjoy my subs! At least those haven't let me down so far.

[Li'l Lemmy]

As much as I very honestly appreciated what Sabat did to redub Vegeta for the Season Three set, I almost wish he hadn't in light of what's now Season Four. The character is now horribly inconsistent and misaligned, even worse than what was the original situation with Drummond being switched to Sabat-- that, at least, we can understand as an unavoidable change of personnel, and a redub over Ocean's work (while not necessarily preferable) is made logical for reasons of cast consistency with the rest of the series. This quasi-redub business of FUNi redubbing over itself, on the other hand, we cannot understand, as it bears no logic whatsoever without a FULL and MAXIMUM effort (where individual characters like Vegeta are concerned, at the very least; to say nothing that it should be the full cast). The logic is particularly lacking for someone who'd be watching the series all the way through for the first time; the "new meat" these sets are conceivably aimed at. How do you tell someone who notices what happens to Vegeta following Garlic Jr., "No, that's not a different VA; that's the same guy, and his voice just gets different in the middle of the series because" without it sounding impossibly dumb?

It's sad, but I suppose the best redub for anything post Season Two would have been no redub at all when you look at the Big Picture and how what little they've deigned to do will manage to screw up the VA continuity down the road big time.


~Da Lemmy

[Vekurotto]

Although Season 1 changing the dialog at the end to Goku wanting to spare Vegeta that he might change and become a friend was total bullshit. He wasn't even friends with Piccolo at that point, yet refers to him as a trusted friend and ally.

He sacrificed his life for Goku's son. The point was Piccolo did change. If there was hope for him. There was hope for anyone.

Yeah, but you still have to realize that Piccolo still had it out for everybody and the Earth. That didn't disappear when he saved Gohan. He saved Gohan because he was his only friend. That has nothing to do with Goku, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamucha, and Chaozu. I mean Piccolo was training Gohan so that he could help him take over the world. If Nappa and Vegeta died then what's Piccolo gonna do? Go around and say, "Hey guys we worked together just great, let's be friends even though I'm stronger than you, still promised to kill you all, have Goku's son with me who trusts me more than his own father, and is stronger than him too."? I doubt it at least in the Dragonball I saw. Bottom line, Goku and Piccolo aren't friends at that point and they were still very much rivals and enemies. It's just that circumstances never allowed them to fight each other again and it was because of circumstances that couldn't be helped that he was helping the Z team. Piccolo stopped caring later and they both became great friends during the "training for the androids" part. But mostly from 23rd Budokai to the end of Freeza, Goku and Piccolo weren't on good terms. Granted Goku couldn't kill him anyway. If Piccolo died then Kami would die and the Dragonballs would disappear and even he wouldn't want that.

About the line change in season 1. I thought the changing of the Goku line was shit too, no sorrys about that. Not only is it blatant foreshadowing but it also undermines the fact that Vegeta never legitimately became a "good guy" until he called Goku #1 in the Buu saga, uh...250 some odd episodes later. He fought the Artificial Humans and Cell just to show he was better than Goku and then kill him. He allowed #17 and #18 to be released to kill them and then kill Goku. He wanted to fight Cell at his Perfect form so he could kill him and then kill Goku. He friggin' became Majin just so he could show that he was better than Goku then kill him. He tried to fight Super Buu just so he could show he was better and then kill him and Goku. The list can get longer but those are the major points. I just get pissed that the dub tries to make Vegeta seem like he was one of the "good guys" when he was only with the Z team for his own benefit and because he was still after showing Kakarrotto and everybody else that he was better than them because he was an ultra-elite Saiyan and can't be beaten by low class trash Saiyans, a Namekian and a bunch of Earth people.

[Lavender Saiyan]

So do what I do, guys, and stick to the Japanese.

Really though, I agree with you. It's these early botcheries that laregely turn me off to the dub. Aside from a few nice moments here and there, it didn't really become all-in-all watchable until the Buu sagas, in my humble opinion. At least, that's where I'll start watching it.

The Boo Arc is utterly standalone in the world of FUNI's dubs (by reaching the level of "somewhat tolerable"), because everything before (starting with Season 3) and after has been awful. I find it ironic how unejoyable the Ultimate Uncut dubbing was.

It's funny, I could have sword I'd heard you say in the past that the later Cell stuff was also acurate on FUNi's part.

[FindKenshi]

So do what I do, guys, and stick to the Japanese.

Really though, I agree with you. It's these early botcheries that laregely turn me off to the dub. Aside from a few nice moments here and there, it didn't really become all-in-all watchable until the Buu sagas, in my humble opinion. At least, that's where I'll start watching it.

The Boo Arc is utterly standalone in the world of FUNI's dubs (by reaching the level of "somewhat tolerable"), because everything before (starting with Season 3) and after has been awful. I find it ironic how unejoyable the Ultimate Uncut dubbing was.

It's funny, I could have sword I'd heard you say in the past that the later Cell stuff was also acurate on FUNi's part.

Well, being somewhat acurate doesn't really make it enjoyable. Too many great scenes were butchered for that. Gohan having a lame inner monolouge when he went SSj2 anyone?

As for the claim of it being somewhat accurate; my friend and I have played a little game. We've watched Season 4 in English, but with the Japanese translation subtitles displayed, so we can see the difference in what is being said. Sometimes, the difference is drastic, enough so that Funi had either completly missed the point, or were intentionally trying to change it themselves.

I can't speak for the Cell Saga, but I know that Funi's Buu Saga has some pretty big 'wrongities' in dialoug. Like Goku regarding Piccolo Buu and saying "You're not planning to fight me like that are you?" when he's supposed to be saying "Gohan could take you on without my help, now." Funi's version has Goku implying that he's stronger."

And don't forget Funi's infamous "So, the Kais he absorbed weakened him. I thought the opposite was true."

[Lavender Saiyan]

"So, the Kais he absorbed weakened him. I thought the opposite was true."

Um...But Dai Kaio...Did weaken him =/

[Duo]

"So, the Kais he absorbed weakened him. I thought the opposite was true."

Um...But Dai Kaio...Did weaken him =/

He subdued his personality, thus making him -seem- weaker, because he no longer tapped his real reserves due to lack of necessity.

...that's how I see it.

[Lavender Saiyan]

But if he cannot tap into that power, then he IS weakened.

[Li'l Lemmy]

Eep. I grow paranoid with where this discussion is potentially headed.


~Da Lemmy

[SuperSaiyan3Goku]

Went to Wal-Mart,didn't see Season 4 there. But i did see the Bardock/Trunks feature there.

I went there about a week ago, and I didn't see Season Four there at all. All I saw were the Dragonball Movies re-released in the slim-set packaging, like the Broly set, the Trunks/Bardock double feature, and 4 copies of Season 3.

Weren't the Trunks/Bardock feature and Season Four DVD sets released on the same date?

[P.R.P.]

My Walmart had both and I even got them both for $45 by bringing the Best Buy ad.

Also I just want to say that I realize that Funimation lied about "the way it was meant to be seen" but I still like these Season sets only because its DBZ at a reasonable price. I didn't buy the Funi Fullscreen releases because I didn't want to spend $20 for three episodes. And with these I can get almost 30+ episodes for $30.

[Raki]

Anybody notice Goku's SSJ hair color changing rapidly in the first episode he fought 19? Was that Toei's fault,or Funimation's wrong doing?

[Metalwario64]

Anybody notice Goku's SSJ hair color changing rapidly in the first episode he fought 19? Was that Toei's fault,or Funimation's wrong doing?

As "bad" as FUNimation's remastering is. It could never do somthing like that. It was always like that. That episode had VERY lazy animation.

[Raki]

Anybody notice Goku's SSJ hair color changing rapidly in the first episode he fought 19? Was that Toei's fault,or Funimation's wrong doing?

As "bad" as FUNimation's remastering is. It could never do somthing like that. It was always like that. That episode had VERY lazy animation.

Oh,more lazines on Toei's side.

[Arcwave]

Anybody notice Goku's SSJ hair color changing rapidly in the first episode he fought 19? Was that Toei's fault,or Funimation's wrong doing?

Remember, Toei had several studios working on DBZ during its episode span. This is why some episodes look terrible, whereas others look pretty good.

I think there is already a thread about this though...

[Raki]

Anybody notice Goku's SSJ hair color changing rapidly in the first episode he fought 19? Was that Toei's fault,or Funimation's wrong doing?

Remember, Toei had several studios working on DBZ during its episode span. This is why some episodes look terrible, whereas others look pretty good.

I think there is already a thread about this though...

Oh,i was unaware of this. Does Toei still pratice that today?

[Kaboom]

Oh,i was unaware of this. Does Toei still pratice that today?

Yeah, it's still apparent with some of Toei's longer-running series. One Piece has a couple of episodes and even a movie or two that don't look too hot, for example.

[Captain Awesome]

Yeah, it's still apparent with some of Toei's longer-running series. One Piece has a couple of episodes and even a movie or two that don't look too hot, for example.

Toei have picked up their game significantly, One Piece is so, so much more consistently animated than Dragonball ever was.

[Kaboom]

Yeah, it's still apparent with some of Toei's longer-running series. One Piece has a couple of episodes and even a movie or two that don't look too hot, for example.

Toei have picked up their game significantly, One Piece is so, so much more consistently animated than Dragonball ever was.

They sure have. Badly-animated One Piece episodes or segments are few and far between, and sometimes you can't even tell.

[SonEric84]

To me, the art style of One Piece isn't all that attractive to begin with...but yeah, it seems like they're more consistent. It'd be cool if they reanimated Dragonball someday...but at the same time, I'm not sure I'd want that to happen.