Funimation's 30th anniversary collectible home video release

[Shaddy]

What are you talking about? I never heard of them "extending" the view, that'd mean they'd have to draw over every frame of the show.

[KBABZ]

I know that everyone wants it to be in a 4:3 aspect ratio but what if they did something similar to the TV/DVD version of Kai in Japan, were they extended the view from the sides instead. That has a small chance of happening, but if I was given the choice between the frame being extended or cropped then I'd choose an extended frame.

I'm not 100% sure so don't quote me on this, but I recall hearing from someone here on this forum that 16:9 is a requirement for Blu-Rays, so when 4:3 content is being used, the pillar bars on the sides are part of the actual video in order to make it work. This of course would mean that most TVs won't be able to use the zoom function to get that Orange Brick look.

What are you talking about? I never heard of them "extending" the view, that'd mean they'd have to draw over every frame of the show.

I think he's referring to Funimation's old "hey we were able to use the extended sides" for the Orange Bricks, which, for all its faults, DID mean that the widescreen crop was able to show a bit more of the image than if they didn't take advantage of it.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

I know that everyone wants it to be in a 4:3 aspect ratio but what if they did something similar to the TV/DVD version of Kai in Japan, were they extended the view from the sides instead. That has a small chance of happening, but if I was given the choice between the frame being extended or cropped then I'd choose an extended frame.

I'm not 100% sure so don't quote me on this, but I recall hearing from someone here on this forum that 16:9 is a requirement for Blu-Rays, so when 4:3 content is being used, the pillar bars on the sides are part of the actual video in order to make it work. This of course would mean that most TVs won't be able to use the zoom function to get that Orange Brick look.

What are you talking about? I never heard of them "extending" the view, that'd mean they'd have to draw over every frame of the show.

I think he's referring to Funimation's old "hey we were able to use the extended sides" for the Orange Bricks, which, for all its faults, DID mean that the widescreen crop was able to show a bit more of the image than if they didn't take advantage of it.

Weren't some of the complaints and nitpicks that people were making about the Level BD's having to do with that very thing? As in the 4:3 frame of the sets were
hard encoded on widescreen TV's, and thus they wouldn't be able to stretch or distort the image to fit the screen. It's no different with my own screen, as any content be it television shows or otherwise that were originally produced in 4:3 is pillarboxed within the 16:9 frame and cannot be stretched out to fill the width of the screen.

[KBABZ]

Weren't some of the complaints and nitpicks that people were making about the Level sets having to do with that very thing? As in the 4:3 frame was hard encoded on widescreen TV's, and thus they wouldn't be able to stretch or distort the image to fit the screen.

It's no different with my own 16:9 set, any content be it TV shows or otherwise produced in 4:3 is pillarboxed within the frame and cannot be stretched out to fill the width of the screen.

I wouldn't know regarding the Level sets but I do recall the complaint being brought up for the Kai Blu-Rays. Now since Blu-Rays can store data of any kind it would be able to hold and display footage at any resolution and aspect ratio, but I suspect making it widescreen is part of an authorization process that is now standard across the world, since it means they'll have the highest compatibility with TVs.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

Weren't some of the complaints and nitpicks that people were making about the Level sets having to do with that very thing? As in the 4:3 frame was hard encoded on widescreen TV's, and thus they wouldn't be able to stretch or distort the image to fit the screen.

It's no different with my own 16:9 set, any content be it TV shows or otherwise produced in 4:3 is pillarboxed within the frame and cannot be stretched out to fill the width of the screen.

I wouldn't know regarding the Level sets but I do recall the complaint being brought up for the Kai Blu-Rays. Now since Blu-Rays can store data of any kind it would be able to hold and display footage at any resolution and aspect ratio, but I suspect making it widescreen is part of an authorization process that is now standard across the world, since it means they'll have the highest compatibility with TVs.

I know i heard about it somewhere either here or elsewhere, so it may have been on the podcast where Mike and co talked about the Levels after the first set came out back in 2011. Or the one in 2014 where the major FUNimation releases of the series from over the years were covered where that specific thing was brought up at some point in the discussion. I believe it was mentioned in one of the two that some who had bought the sets were complaining they couldn't zoom in or stretch the image and were actually selling them back.

[AnimeMaakuo]

Just spoke with a FUNi representative... and the plot thickens!

How much can you reveal? Is it good news?

The 30th anniversary will have 4:3. Oops!

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

Just spoke with a FUNi representative... and the plot thickens!

How much can you reveal? Is it good news?

The 30th anniversary will have 4:3.

Oh awesome, since the tidbit is coming straight from someone who is involved within the company itself then that officially confirms the original aspect ratio will be preserved for this release.

[gokaiblue]

Just spoke with a FUNi representative... and the plot thickens!

How much can you reveal? Is it good news?

The 30th anniversary will have 4:3. Oops!

That is exciting to hear! This means it might be related to Toei's remastering (hopefully not the censored release).

[AnimeMaakuo]

How much can you reveal? Is it good news?

The 30th anniversary will have 4:3.

Oh awesome, then since the tidbit is coming straight from someone who is involved within the company itself then that confirms the original aspect ratio will be preserved for this release.

Unless he lied to me (which I highly doubt), then that is indeed confirmation. But hey, let’s reserve our judgement until footage is released! I’m excited.

[Scsigs]

I know that everyone wants it to be in a 4:3 aspect ratio but what if they did something similar to the TV/DVD version of Kai in Japan, were they extended the view from the sides instead. That has a small chance of happening, but if I was given the choice between the frame being extended or cropped then I'd choose an extended frame.

What? They didn't extend the frames in Japan. They selectively cropped & framed the original animation to widescreen (I think even for the new animation too, as evidenced by the opening for Kai TFC, where they clearly animated some shots in 4:3, then cropped it lazily & it's noticeable as a result). The only place I've heard of this happening for DB was when FUNi extended the white for one of the eye catches in Z. Nothing else.

I'm not 100% sure so don't quote me on this, but I recall hearing from someone here on this forum that 16:9 is a requirement for Blu-Rays, so when 4:3 content is being used, the pillar bars on the sides are part of the actual video in order to make it work. This of course would mean that most TVs won't be able to use the zoom function to get that Orange Brick look.

It's not. The pillars on the sides are a result of how they program the parameters of the frames in the video codec. It's the same with when widescreen versions of movies & TV shows started being put on DVDs. The black bars appeared on the tops & bottoms of the 4:3 screens of old TVs as to not mess with the image. If widescreen was required for Blu-Rays, then everything would be cropped or stretched to 16:9.
Also, consider some of the Viz Media Sailor Moon DVDs, which were programmed with 16:9 in mind &, thus, if you tried to watch them with a DVD player on a 4:3 TV, the episodes would be in a black box for no reason. If Blu-Rays were specifically made for 16:9, a similar thing would happen, like I said, where the video would be stretched or something to fit the entire extended frame.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

The 30th anniversary will have 4:3.

Oh awesome, then since the tidbit is coming straight from someone who is involved within the company itself then that confirms the original aspect ratio will be preserved for this release.

Unless he lied to me (which I doubt), then that is confirmation. But hey, let’s reserve our juedgment until footage is released! I’m excited.

I wouldn't bet on it being a lie or mistake, but yeah i guess we can wait and see for when the full specs are revealed. Still, this does sound very promising.

[Scsigs]

The 30th anniversary will have 4:3. Oops!

Well, that's excellent news!

I know i heard about it somewhere either here or elsewhere, so it may have been on the podcast where Mike and co talked about the Levels after the first set came out back in 2011. Or the one in 2014 where the major FUNimation releases of the series from over the years were covered) where that specific thing was brought up at some point in the discussion. I believe it was mentioned in one of the two that some who had bought the sets were complaining they couldn't zoom in or stretch the image and were actually selling them back.

First of all, no one should try to watch the show in widescreen, but we all know that.
Second, it must've been here, since I doubt the majority of the staff here really wanna watch the show in 16:9 unless I'm mistaken. To say this, though, were they talking about using their Blu-Ray player's remote, or their TV remote? If they used their Blu-Ray remote, then that's interesting that they might've programmed that out of the discs. If it was their TV remote, then that's odd because TVs usually have separate abilities to zoom in or stretch video separate from external devices, so they might've been not thinking that through.

[Char Aznable]

I hate to be Captain Bringdown, but even if it's 4:3 there's still no reason to be excited unless it's confirmed Toei will not be censoring it like they did the movies in Japan, at least not to me.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

The 30th anniversary will have 4:3. Oops!

Well, that's excellent news!

I know i heard about it somewhere either here or elsewhere, so it may have been on the podcast where Mike and co talked about the Levels after the first set came out back in 2011. Or the one in 2014 where the major FUNimation releases of the series from over the years were covered) where that specific thing was brought up at some point in the discussion. I believe it was mentioned in one of the two that some who had bought the sets were complaining they couldn't zoom in or stretch the image and were actually selling them back.

First of all, no one should try to watch the show in widescreen, but we all know that.
Second, it must've been here, since I doubt the majority of the staff here really wanna watch the show in 16:9 unless I'm mistaken. To say this, though, were they talking about using their Blu-Ray player's remote, or their TV remote? If they used their Blu-Ray remote, then that's interesting that they might've programmed that out of the discs. If it was their TV remote, then that's odd because TVs usually have separate abilities to zoom in or stretch video separate from external devices, so they might've been not thinking that through.

Yeah, it's good to hear that news as we have all been speculating for quite a while now about what the aspect ratio among other things was potentially going to be. Being that it was someone from FUNimation revealing that i now have higher hopes that this will indeed be a 4:3 release. On your second point yeah, the show was never meant to be seen with 20% to 25% of the vertical image chopped off into a fake widescreen presentation. As to what they were saying about the people making the complaints, i know i have heard some releases of other shows on Blu-ray doing that same thing where the video is strictly hard encoded into a 4:3 pillarboxed image within the 16:9 frame.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

I hate to be Captain Bringdown, but even if it's 4:3 there's still no reason to be excited unless it's confirmed Toei will not be censoring it like they did the movies in Japan, at least not to me.

I mean, i can understand to some extent why they did the editing in Kai due to the reasons previously stated (refreshed version, standards, change of timeslot.etc) but it wouldn't make any sense for Toei to pull those same types of things with the original. I am hoping it isn't going to be edited like that because DBZ is an almost now 30 year old show made when the majority of animated shows anime or otherwise were still cel animated, and it really should remain as is because any type of editing/censoring/whatever a la Kai would be arbitrary and then it's no longer what it originally was on TV and home video for so long with no issues.

[Akamay]

Even if this is a collector's release, I wish they would give you the option to just get the series without a bunch of extra stuff that doesn't really add much to the release.
I mean, yeah the figure sounds cool and all, but I would feel more inclined to buy the collection if I had the option to skip having to buy it just to get a good release of the original DBZ series.

[KBABZ]

Even if this is a collector's release, I wish they would give you the option to just get the series without a bunch of extra stuff that doesn't really add much to the release.
I mean, yeah the figure sounds cool and all, but I would feel more inclined to buy the collection if I had the option to skip having to buy it just to get a good release of the original DBZ series.

Totally agreed, I don't need a Goku statue #9469 and an art book, just give me the discs with good-looking packaging!

[Forte224]

Even if this is a collector's release, I wish they would give you the option to just get the series without a bunch of extra stuff that doesn't really add much to the release.
I mean, yeah the figure sounds cool and all, but I would feel more inclined to buy the collection if I had the option to skip having to buy it just to get a good release of the original DBZ series.

Yeah, I agree. Part of me thinks though that this is the only way they can justify doing it without fans being upset, due to FUNi just releasing a different set of blu-rays 4-5 years ago. I highly doubt they would replace the current blu-rays with these new ones, but if they do, I hope they're up front about it right from the start so people that don't want all the extras can just wait and buy them one at a time.

[KBABZ]

I hate to be Captain Bringdown, but even if it's 4:3 there's still no reason to be excited unless it's confirmed Toei will not be censoring it like they did the movies in Japan, at least not to me.

Well, no reason for you to be excited. How much the censorship matters does vary from user to user.

Yeah, I agree. Part of me thinks though that this is the only way they can justify doing it without fans being upset, due to FUNi just releasing a different set of blu-rays 4-5 years ago. I highly doubt they would replace the current blu-rays with these new ones, but if they do, I hope they're up front about it right from the start so people that don't want all the extras can just wait and buy them one at a time.

Okay, now I'm worried that "4:3" is effectively one of the premium features alongside the statue that helps separate it from the Blu-Bricks.

[Forte224]

Yeah, I agree. Part of me thinks though that this is the only way they can justify doing it without fans being upset, due to FUNi just releasing a different set of blu-rays 4-5 years ago. I highly doubt they would replace the current blu-rays with these new ones, but if they do, I hope they're up front about it right from the start so people that don't want all the extras can just wait and buy them one at a time.

Okay, now I'm worried that "4:3" is effectively one of the premium features alongside the statue that helps separate it from the Blu-Bricks.

Oh it almost certainly will be. We will see I suppose, but I have to imagine that will be one of their biggest selling points. Just look at the tweet.