Funimation's 30th anniversary collectible home video release

jaisonas · Post by **jaisonas** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:02 am

Is the level master thing confirmed? I thought(hoped) that for the 30th anniversary of one of the biggest anime franchises toei would handle the remaster in the same way they did the amazon movies

Also just to clarify my post earlier, I'm in no way ok with using dnr. I was just saying that the added grain combined with the generation loss, will look worse than the master film even with that level of dnr. Thats evident comparing the funi movie blurays with the new toei blu-rays which had really harsh grain and looked kinda out of focus, in comparison to the toei ones which even with slight dnr, looked in most cases better.

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:19 am

KBABZ wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:18 am
SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:23 amI know right, because obviously those god awful DNR smear fests with incorrect faux widescreen aspect ratio are hands down the single worst DBZ release that i have ever seen video quality wise. That bit of revealed news from the FUNi rep definitely sounds like a promising sign in that they are apparently taking the same third generation prints used for the Level BDs back in 2011 and converting them into new HD transfers for this release. The big difference is that this time around they will have the entire series available in that quality or at least an approximation if not 100% identical.
I mean for me the aspect very few people talk about is the incredibly awful colour grade applied to it as well. The whites were made BRIGHT white, not "paper white", so everything looks completely over-exposed. It doesn't pair well with making the blacks BLACK either, so it just looks awful.

Personally I'm still hoping that Funi will give us a preview of the footage to instill confidence, especially because their target market with this release will be VERY skeptical about it.

How much more black could this be? The answer is none, none more black.

KBABZ · Post by **KBABZ** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:34 am

ABED wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:19 amHow much more black could this be? The answer is none, none more black.

The blacks are so intense Mr. Popo wouldn't look any different even if it was the blue one.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:48 am

jaisonas wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:02 am Is the level master thing confirmed? I thought(hoped) that for the 30th anniversary of one of the biggest anime franchises toei would handle the remaster in the same way they did the amazon movies
Also just to clarify my post earlier, I'm in no way ok with using dnr. I was just saying that the added grain combined with the generation loss, will look worse than the master film even with that level of dnr. Thats evident comparing the funi movie blurays with the new toei blu-rays which had really harsh grain and looked kinda out of focus, in comparison to the toei ones which even with slight dnr, looked in most cases better.

Nothing else than what it says on FUNimation's site is confirmed.

JohnnyCashKami · Post by **JohnnyCashKami** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:09 am

Think it's sorta confirmed because TOEI's remastering it but does it include the NEPs for sure?

eledoremassis02 · Post by **eledoremassis02** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:22 am

If true the one plus side is that already scanned episodes would cut costs (which in theory would bring the set down). Maybe TOEi is scanning NEP and openings in HD from similar generation prints. And maybe, they are using Dragon Box audio as that's the best official release.

As odd as it may be, if this is the spiritual successor to the Level sets, then I'd be pretty happy as I thought that release was fantastic and while it may not be a full remaster with a new scan, the colors and such were fantastic (even Steves Raw looked great). I wonder if they'll go thru the same amount of restoration?

Now I was wondering, did Toei scan all Kai for Z or just the specific episodes?

Remaster the Level set video is fun to watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moAy02J2fd8

Forte224 · Post by **Forte224** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:57 am

My anticipation is starting to turn into impatience. I'm not even hyped really, I just want to officially know the details. They better not pull a Persona 5 Royal and when the announcement finally comes they detail practically nothing and give ANOTHER date for more info.

JohnnyCashKami · Post by **JohnnyCashKami** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:04 am

eledoremassis02 wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:22 am If true the one plus side is that already scanned episodes would cut costs (which in theory would bring the set down). Maybe TOEi is scanning NEP and openings in HD from similar generation prints. And maybe, they are using Dragon Box audio as that's the best official release.

As odd as it may be, if this is the spiritual successor to the Level sets, then I'd be pretty happy as I thought that release was fantastic and while it may not be a full remaster with a new scan, the colors and such were fantastic (even Steves Raw looked great). I wonder if they'll go thru the same amount of restoration?

Now I was wondering, did Toei scan all Kai for Z or just the specific episodes?

Remaster the Level set video is fun to watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moAy02J2fd8

The muffled Japanese audio on the Level Blu-rays sounded better than the Dragon Box but overall they're both pretty much garbage.

How I wish FUNimation had never canceled the Levels and we'd gotten the entire Z series with that masterpiece of high def quality. Gohan SSJ2's scene with Level quality would have been amazing!

Char Aznable · Post by **Char Aznable** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:27 am

eledoremassis02 wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:22 am If true the one plus side is that already scanned episodes would cut costs (which in theory would bring the set down). Maybe TOEi is scanning NEP and openings in HD from similar generation prints. And maybe, they are using Dragon Box audio as that's the best official release.

As odd as it may be, if this is the spiritual successor to the Level sets, then I'd be pretty happy as I thought that release was fantastic and while it may not be a full remaster with a new scan, the colors and such were fantastic (even Steves Raw looked great). I wonder if they'll go thru the same amount of restoration?

Now I was wondering, did Toei scan all Kai for Z or just the specific episodes?

Remaster the Level set video is fun to watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moAy02J2fd8

It's just so frustrating, if FUNimation actually tries they're extremely capable of making a high quality product (the Dragon Boxes don't count because they didn't do anything except slap a dub track on there, that's Toei's product as far as I'm concerned; Levels were all on their own). Sure it didn't have NEPs and it had English title cards and credits which I hate (but par for the course for FUNi's releases on everything now), but other than that they looked great! I wanted to pick them up when they were coming out but I was trying to finish my DBox collection first, guess I'm glad I didn't now for obvious reasons. Now that it's likely looking 4:3 I'm eager to see what this will be.

And you know what? If this new set are just Levels finally finished, it WILL satisfy everybody. Great footage, proper aspect ratio, for the dub fans you can put every dub track you want on there (Kikuchi and Faulconer), only segment that won't be happy are the people who are like 'BUT MY WIDESCREEN TV!' but they've been catered to enough.

SuperSaiyaManZ94 · Post by **SuperSaiyaManZ94** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:43 am

Char Aznable wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:27 am
eledoremassis02 wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:22 am If true the one plus side is that already scanned episodes would cut costs (which in theory would bring the set down). Maybe TOEi is scanning NEP and openings in HD from similar generation prints. And maybe, they are using Dragon Box audio as that's the best official release.

As odd as it may be, if this is the spiritual successor to the Level sets, then I'd be pretty happy as I thought that release was fantastic and while it may not be a full remaster with a new scan, the colors and such were fantastic (even Steves Raw looked great). I wonder if they'll go thru the same amount of restoration?

Now I was wondering, did Toei scan all Kai for Z or just the specific episodes?

Remaster the Level set video is fun to watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moAy02J2fd8
It's just so frustrating, if FUNimation actually tries they're extremely capable of making a high quality product (the Dragon Boxes don't count because they didn't do anything except slap a dub track on there, that's Toei's product as far as I'm concerned; Levels were all on their own). Sure it didn't have NEPs and it had English title cards and credits which I hate (but par for the course for FUNi's releases on everything now), but other than that they looked great! I wanted to pick them up when they were coming out but I was trying to finish my DBox collection first, guess I'm glad I didn't now for obvious reasons. Now that it's likely looking 4:3 I'm eager to see what this will be.

And you know what? If this new set are just Levels finally finished, it WILL satisfy everybody. Great footage, proper aspect ratio, for the dub fans you can put every dub track you want on there (Kikuchi and Faulconer), only segment that won't be happy are the people who are like 'BUT MY WIDESCREEN TV!' but they've been catered to enough.

Exactly, because there's not only one but TWO 16:9 releases of the series out there for those who want the image entirely filling up their screen, at the expense of 20% to 25% of the vertical picture that's intended to be there.The fans who prefer the original 4:3 presentation have been left high and dry for so long and it's about time that another version of it was put out so they can have the show the way it's truly meant to be seen.

eledoremassis02 · Post by **eledoremassis02** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:47 am

JohnnyCashKami wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:04 am The muffled Japanese audio on the Level Blu-rays sounded better than the Dragon Box but overall they're both pretty much garbage.

How I wish FUNimation had never canceled the Levels and we'd gotten the entire Z series with that masterpiece of high def quality. Gohan SSJ2's scene with Level quality would have been amazing!

Really? I thought the dragon box was a cleaner sounding. It is frustrating to have awesome PQ and bad AQ. How was the Season Blurays AQ?

Char Aznable wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:27 am It's just so frustrating, if FUNimation actually tries they're extremely capable of making a high quality product (the Dragon Boxes don't count because they didn't do anything except slap a dub track on there, that's Toei's product as far as I'm concerned; Levels were all on their own). Sure it didn't have NEPs and it had English title cards and credits which I hate (but par for the course for FUNi's releases on everything now), but other than that they looked great! I wanted to pick them up when they were coming out but I was trying to finish my DBox collection first, guess I'm glad I didn't now for obvious reasons. Now that it's likely looking 4:3 I'm eager to see what this will be.

And you know what? If this new set are just Levels finally finished, it WILL satisfy everybody. Great footage, proper aspect ratio, for the dub fans you can put every dub track you want on there (Kikuchi and Faulconer), only segment that won't be happy are the people who are like 'BUT MY WIDESCREEN TV!' but they've been catered to enough.

I do wish it comes with Japanese titles cards. It's not a deal breaker but this is the 30th anni. of Z from Japan, not US. So I kinda hope this is like the equivalent of FUNi's version of the ZDragon Box. I do wish they do the title cards like this with the English episode name being in a subtitle file

JohnnyCashKami · Post by **JohnnyCashKami** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:55 am

Dragon Ball Kai and Dragon Ball Kai: The Final Chapters are separate products from Dragon Ball Z so despite that it's a refreshed version of Z, it has its own identity rather than an attempt to replace Z from 291 episodes to Kai's 159 (JPN) / 167 (INT). Kai (and especially TFC) had too many inconsistencies and the only way anyone would ever try to fix it, it would be the fans.

Talking about Kai reminded me that Dragon Ball Kai - Original Soundtrack Vol. IV never came out.

@ eledoremassis2 The German Kai TFC Blu-rays used the original Japanese credits which is strange because no one else in the West did. Thank God for that.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:19 pm

JohnnyCashKami wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:09 am Think it's sorta confirmed because TOEI's remastering it but does it include the NEPs for sure?

Huh? What's sorted confirmed and what's your source?

Robo4900 · Post by **Robo4900** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:26 pm

eledoremassis02 wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:47 am
Char Aznable wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:27 am It's just so frustrating, if FUNimation actually tries they're extremely capable of making a high quality product (the Dragon Boxes don't count because they didn't do anything except slap a dub track on there, that's Toei's product as far as I'm concerned; Levels were all on their own). Sure it didn't have NEPs and it had English title cards and credits which I hate (but par for the course for FUNi's releases on everything now), but other than that they looked great! I wanted to pick them up when they were coming out but I was trying to finish my DBox collection first, guess I'm glad I didn't now for obvious reasons. Now that it's likely looking 4:3 I'm eager to see what this will be.

And you know what? If this new set are just Levels finally finished, it WILL satisfy everybody. Great footage, proper aspect ratio, for the dub fans you can put every dub track you want on there (Kikuchi and Faulconer), only segment that won't be happy are the people who are like 'BUT MY WIDESCREEN TV!' but they've been catered to enough.
I do wish it comes with Japanese titles cards. It's not a deal breaker but this is the 30th anni. of Z from Japan, not US. So I kinda hope this is like the equivalent of FUNi's version of the ZDragon Box. I do wish they do the title cards like this with the English episode name being in a subtitle file
Spoiler:

Personally, one solution I think would be quite satisfactory which would be quite easy for Funi to do would be to use blank title cards, and use subtitle tracks to display either the dub or sub episode names in the proper place on screen.

Char Aznable · Post by **Char Aznable** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:39 pm

eledoremassis02 wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:47 am I do wish it comes with Japanese titles cards. It's not a deal breaker but this is the 30th anni. of Z from Japan, not US. So I kinda hope this is like the equivalent of FUNi's version of the ZDragon Box. I do wish they do the title cards like this with the English episode name being in a subtitle file

That would be perfect, I'm not sure why they don't do this already! It seems like it would be more work to make a whole new title card. Same with the credits, just run English credits after the Japanese ones like some Netflix shows do for alternate language dubs.

Robo4900 · Post by **Robo4900** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:50 pm

Char Aznable wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:39 pm
eledoremassis02 wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:47 am I do wish it comes with Japanese titles cards. It's not a deal breaker but this is the 30th anni. of Z from Japan, not US. So I kinda hope this is like the equivalent of FUNi's version of the ZDragon Box. I do wish they do the title cards like this with the English episode name being in a subtitle file
Spoiler:

That would be perfect, I'm not sure why they don't do this already! It seems like it would be more work to make a whole new title card. Same with the credits, just run English credits after the Japanese ones like some Netflix shows do for alternate language dubs.

Funimation used to do this if you selected the Japanese track, and it would use DVD angles to show the remade dub title cards if you watched with the dub track, and it would similarly match up the Japanese OP/EDs and dub OP/EDs to their proper tracks.
But for some reason, after the original DVD singles, they permanently stopped doing this.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:56 pm

All of the orange bricks and the first two double features still have alternate angles, too.

JohnnyCashKami · Post by **JohnnyCashKami** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:20 pm

Probably got rid of it due to TOEI as it could have affected the Japanese DVD sales since customers could simply import R1 DVDs which were way cheaper than the Japanese. Japan is R2 but nothing a RF DVD Player wouldn't solve.

Sangofe @ This is a special collaboration between TOEI and FUNimation so who knows if they think the NEPs may be irrelevant to include (only FUNi's GT Singles, Dbox Z and Kai kept it). It would be great if someone confirmed they're featured.

KBABZ · Post by **KBABZ** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:28 pm

eledoremassis02 wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:22 am Now I was wondering, did Toei scan all Kai for Z or just the specific episodes?

According to this page on Kanzenshuu about the production process, they would do a raw scan of the DBZ footage which would have a lower-resolution version that is used for editing purposes. Once an episode has been edited together, the low-resolution version is sent out for things like music, SFX and voicework, while the high-definition version is sent over to Q-Tec so they can start the actual remastering process.

So the Z reels WERE rescanned in high-definition and completely raw, but I can't imagine Toei would have kept those around taking up space on hard drives in their archives for ten years after the show was over. Now normally I'd say at this point "Maybe this is Toei's part of the Toei-Funi collaboration on the project", but I'm inclined to believe AnimeMaakuo that Funi is using their internal master of the show.

Char Aznable · Post by **Char Aznable** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:33 pm

As I've been buying up DVDs I've become more and more appreciative of alternate angles, especially with GT. I can select Japanese at the main menu (singles only of course) and have what's basically 'Proto-DragonBox GT' with no changes or edits. Why they stopped doing alternate angles I have no idea, I figured it would work even better on Blu-ray.

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