Goku in the lava

[goodguy777]

Did Goku survive the molten lava in Freeza-Arc Manga?

[Duo]

Did Goku survive the molten lava in Freeza-Arc Manga?

In the Manga, dying Namek didn't really seem to have the lava thing going on at all.

So, the answer is no.

[caejones]

Daizex.com's rumor guide explains this kinda thoroughly...
Umm... *too lazy to grab the link*

[Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece]

Did Goku survive the molten lava in Freeza-Arc Manga?

In the Manga, dying Namek didn't really seem to have the lava thing going on at all.

So, the answer is no.

Yeah. In the manga, it's all water, not lava. I'd supply scans, but I've got like half an hour to get ready for school.

[Saiyavenger2941]

Daizex.com's rumor guide explains this kinda thoroughly...
Umm... *too lazy to grab the link* :oops:

THE GREAT SAIYAVENGER TO THE RESCUE!

[Tyro]

And Kanzenban: I was going to simply post the image here, but I hate how larger images will stretch pages beyond the borders. Just click all of this here text.

[TriforceCaptre]

Wasn't it water in that scene in the anime as well?

When I read the question I figured he was talking about a part where Goku is smashed down into lava and then bursts out with this energy bubble around him.

[goodguy777]

And Kanzenban: I was going to simply post the image here, but I hate how larger images will stretch pages beyond the borders. Just click all of this here text.

The part I'm talking about is before that scene, where Goku was smashed down and then something burst out. Is it lava or water that burst out after Goku was smashed down? Can you post the scan I'm talking about?Please

[Toriyama Boss]

In the Anime it was lava..

[goodguy777]

In the Anime it was lava..

In the anime and manga it was an ocean but the part I'm talking about is where Goku was smashed down by Freeza and then something burst out. Is it lava or water that burst out (in the manga)?

[Tyro]

This is Goku hitting the ocean after Freeza plowed into him while performing the Kamehameha.

The anime has Freeza driving Goku down through the crust and then lava shoots out.

[goodguy777]

This is Goku hitting the ocean after Freeza plowed into him while performing the Kamehameha.

The anime has Freeza driving Goku down through the crust and then lava shoots out.

Thanks, but I don't know where the others get the idea about Goku cannot survive the lava argument. Goku is tougher than Freeza who survived an exploding planet. Is there any proof that Goku cannot survive the lava?

[FindKenshi]

This is Goku hitting the ocean after Freeza plowed into him while performing the Kamehameha.

The anime has Freeza driving Goku down through the crust and then lava shoots out.

Thanks, but I don't know where the others get the idea about Goku cannot survive the lava argument. Goku is tougher than Freeza who survived an exploding planet. Is there any proof that Goku cannot survive the lava?

The argument stems from the fact that Goku is never seen surviving lava in the manga. All instances of Goku surviving lava, every single one of them, is anime-only filler. As for Freeza surviving the planet exploding, that's really not as impressive as it sounds. As but a tiny speck resting on the surface of the planet, the explosion would only push him away from the world.

For example, in real life, bombs that explode leave pieces behind. The actual bomb itself, I mean. This is how forensic science can trace the materials used to make the bomb and determine where it came from. Since the explosion only shatters the outer shell and pushes the pieces away, flinging them in all directions as shrapnel.

So it's not like Freeza tanked the world destroying force, and stopped it. He just "rode the wave" and was launched out into space.

[goodguy777]

This is Goku hitting the ocean after Freeza plowed into him while performing the Kamehameha.

The anime has Freeza driving Goku down through the crust and then lava shoots out.

Thanks, but I don't know where the others get the idea about Goku cannot survive the lava argument. Goku is tougher than Freeza who survived an exploding planet. Is there any proof that Goku cannot survive the lava?

The argument stems from the fact that Goku is never seen surviving lava in the manga. All instances of Goku surviving lava, every single one of them, is anime-only filler. As for Freeza surviving the planet exploding, that's really not as impressive as it sounds. As but a tiny speck resting on the surface of the planet, the explosion would only push him away from the world.

For example, in real life, bombs that explode leave pieces behind. The actual bomb itself, I mean. This is how forensic science can trace the materials used to make the bomb and determine where it came from. Since the explosion only shatters the outer shell and pushes the pieces away, flinging them in all directions as shrapnel.

So it's not like Freeza tanked the world destroying force, and stopped it. He just "rode the wave" and was launched out into space.

Which is hotter? lava or wave of the exploding planet?

Freeza was blasted deep underground by Goku. Which means, Freeza was deep inside the planet when it exploded. It's not like he rode the wave and was launched out into space. Besides, Freeza's statement said,

"It would be wise to leave this planet quickly. If I'm stuck with the explosion. I could lose some of my strength."

that was Freeza floating (miles above the ground) and he was referring to the explosion all along not the wave will launch him out into space.

Seriously, you should not apply real world physics in fictional world if you don't have any proofs from the comics.

[FindKenshi]

Which is hotter? lava or wave of the exploding planet?

They're probably both about the same, good point. However, I'm not sure how it applies to the discussion at hand. Freeza is not Goku. Freeza did seem to have some kind of freakish resiliance to dieing, as compared to some other characters.

Freeza was blasted deep underground by Goku. Which means, Freeza was deep inside the planet when it exploded.

*taps his glasses* These work, y'know. (In regards to the bolding of the text). Anyway, how do you know how deep Freeza was? It was just a hole, in the ground. Also how do we know that he hadn't crawled back out of it before it exploded.

It's not like he rode the wave and was launched out into space.

Yes it is. The explosion obviously launched him into space. My main point was, he didn't have to resist the force of the explosion, the force of the explosion moved him.

"It would be wise to leave this planet quickly. If I'm stuck with the explosion. I could lose some of my strength."

Fair enough. But he could be alluding to the fact that he'd try to resist the blast, so he's not flung deep out into space by it.

Seriously, you should not apply real world physics in fictional world if you don't have any proofs from the comics.

In this case, the real world physics are all we have to go on. You're making your share of baseless assumptions too, like claiming that Freeza was "deep underground" when the planet exploded. That could have very well been a shallow crater. In the manga we only see one panel of the hole, we don't know that the water was endlessly cascasding into a "bottomless pit" like it was in the anime.

[goodguy777]

Which is hotter? lava or wave of the exploding planet?

They're probably both about the same, good point. However, I'm not sure how it applies to the discussion at hand. Freeza is not Goku. Freeza did seem to have some kind of freakish resiliance to dieing, as compared to some other characters.

Lava = heat

Wave of the exploding planet = chain reaction + heat

The argument was "Goku is more durable than Freeza" not about some kind of freakish resiliance to dieing.

Freeza was blasted deep underground by Goku. Which means, Freeza was deep inside the planet when it exploded.

*taps his glasses* These work, y'know. (In regards to the bolding of the text). Anyway, how do you know how deep Freeza was? It was just a hole, in the ground. Also how do we know that he hadn't crawled back out of it before it exploded.

You're assuming that Freeza crawled back out. I didn't say anything about how deep it was, but it's canon/fact that Freeza was blasted deep underground by Goku because the crater was very dark.

It's not like he rode the wave and was launched out into space.

Yes it is. The explosion obviously launched him into space. My main point was, he didn't have to resist the force of the explosion, the force of the explosion moved him.

You're just assuming that he rode it, please back up your argument assumption rather. They didn't say anything about launch into space, it's all about the explosion.

"It would be wise to leave this planet quickly. If I'm stuck with the explosion. I could lose some of my strength."

Fair enough. But he could be alluding to the fact that he'd try to resist the blast, so he's not flung deep out into space by it.

You're assuming again that Freeza could be alluding to fact etc. Excuse me, can you please back up your assumption?

Seriously, you should not apply real world physics in fictional world if you don't have any proofs from the comics.

In this case, the real world physics are all we have to go on. You're making your share of baseless assumptions too, like claiming that Freeza was "deep underground" when the planet exploded. That could have very well been a shallow crater. In the manga we only see one panel of the hole, we don't know that the water was endlessly cascasding into a "bottomless pit" like it was in the anime.

I'm not making baseless assumption, the crater was very dark which only proves how deep it was. Comparing real world and fictional world is 100% wrong.

[Duo]

The crater might have only been six feet deep. Why the needless nitpicking and desire to know who can survive what?

Goku never touches lava. Freeza's biology is not Saiya'jin. Planetary explosion does not equal lava touching.

Pointless to speculate upon.

[Rocketman]

Planetary explosion does not equal lava touching.

Earth-like planets are more than 99% near-molten rock and iron, and that's going to force its way through/over the crust as it shatters. Attempting to 'ride out' a planet explosion on its crust would be a very bad idea.

Of course, Earth-like planets don't explode either.

[Duo]

Planetary explosion does not equal lava touching.

Earth-like planets are more than 99% near-molten rock and iron, and that's going to force its way through/over the crust as it shatters. Attempting to 'ride out' a planet explosion on its crust would be a very bad idea.

Of course, Earth-like planets don't explode either.

And who's to say you'd be anchored on anything well enough for said molten fuzzmatter to catch up to you?

There's so little to work with and so many assumptions to make. Just seems pretty pointless to think about, let alone argue over.

[Cypher]

goodguy777, you mentioned that 'The argument was "Goku is more durable than Freeza" not about some kind of freakish resiliance to dieing'. The thing is, Freeza's survival of all the thrashings Goku administered essentially MAKES him 'durable' doesn't it? If Goku had the same things happen to him, do you think he'd have survived? No, not a chance. Goku, having been cut in half with a Kienzan, would almost certainly be dead. I guess one way of thinking about it is 'would the explosion of Namek release more energy than Cell's self-destruction?' (that killed Goku) It must just be a feature of Freeza's 'race' that makes them extraordinarily resilient.