Vic Mignogna

[Kinokima]

I’m just saying to not focus on just one side guys.

This thread is about Vic and the things he was accused of not the other voice actors.

[Mooreish]

I’m just saying to not focus on just one side guys.

This thread is about Vic and the things he was accused of not the other voice actors.

All these things have happened as the Vic situation has developed and in response to Vic supporters, so it would still be about Vic.

[Fionordequester]

Like how Sean schemmel is apparently a real primadonna when it comes to acknowledging the existence of other goku voice actors.

That's not relevant to the Vic situation in any way.

Or how Amanda Winn lee said she hoped a woman was raped because she thought differently about something from her.

https://images.app.goo.gl/jdJX4CYpNWSPe5ju8

Where? From just the pic you linked, it sounds more like she's talking about sexual harassment or assault ("assault" being what Roshi's been doing in DB for years). Doesn't sound like out and out rape.

Or when she said she wouldn’t care if someone killed themselves.

https://twitter.com/supermar1oultra/sta ... 56512?s=21

The guy was being sarcastic. And she was being sarcastic in response.

Or Sarah weidenheft defending her brother having cp when accusing Vic of committing p.

https://www.monstersandcritics.com/anim ... -gofundme/

...Um...No, she's saying her brother wasn't the one who downloaded the pornography; that the hard drive belonged to someone else. Read it again, and you'll see.

I’m just saying to not focus on just one side guys.

First of all, you seem to be misreading every single one of these; that, or jumping to conclusions before you've really examined everything you looked at.

Secondly, even if the #KickVic folks WERE legitimately being jerks, that's not relevant. What matters is what Vic Mignogna did to all those girls. Victims don't need to be pure and innocent in order to be victims.

[Shaddy]

Where? From just the pic you linked, it sounds more like she's talking about sexual harassment or assault ("assault" being what Roshi's been doing in DB for years). Doesn't sound like out and out rape.

Better rebuttal: this also isn't her saying "I hope x happens to you". It's saying complacency and lack of change means it's only a matter of time. When it happens to you. As in, you are already a target and if you're as careless and apologetic as they're being, they're going to be attacked eventually.

Also, these are the same fallacious and victim-blaming arguments that we've dissected time and time again over the course of this thread's existence. I'd say "actually read the thing first", but at this point I hold no reservations that people still defending Vic are simply misinformed. The facts have been on the table for weeks. Anyone refusing to pay attention to them and see the really very obvious conclusion is either willfully ignorant, or legitimately do not care if he is guilty or not.

[Cursed Lemon]

Some have said the same about other voice actors. Like how Sean schemmel is apparently a real primadonna when it comes to acknowledging the existence of other goku voice actors. Or how Amanda Winn lee said she hoped a woman was raped because she thought differently about something from her.


https://images.app.goo.gl/jdJX4CYpNWSPe5ju8


Or when she said she wouldn’t care if someone killed themselves.


https://twitter.com/supermar1oultra/sta ... 56512?s=21


Or Sarah weidenheft defending her brother having cp when accusing Vic of committing p.


https://www.monstersandcritics.com/anim ... -gofundme/


I’m just saying to not focus on just one side guys.

[Mooreish]

Some have said the same about other voice actors. Like how Sean schemmel is apparently a real primadonna when it comes to acknowledging the existence of other goku voice actors. Or how Amanda Winn lee said she hoped a woman was raped because she thought differently about something from her.


https://images.app.goo.gl/jdJX4CYpNWSPe5ju8


Or when she said she wouldn’t care if someone killed themselves.


https://twitter.com/supermar1oultra/sta ... 56512?s=21


Or Sarah weidenheft defending her brother having cp when accusing Vic of committing p.


https://www.monstersandcritics.com/anim ... -gofundme/


I’m just saying to not focus on just one side guys.

Dude don’t just blanket this with doubt like that, it’s rude. You all just seem so eager to believe he’s guilty when all that’s come up are just stories.thats it. No evidence, no proof, just takes yarned together by people that we don’t know if true or not. It’s like the telephone game. We don’t know if those stories are true or not. We can’t just believe them without substantial proof. All I’m asking is have the eagerness to believe innocence of Vic as you do for people that you don’t know about that are also possible lying because that is also a possibility guys. It’s not a new idea that these stories could be over exaggerated. I mean I'm not crazy to believe that right?

[Zephyr]

You all just seem so eager to believe he’s guilty when all that’s come up are just stories.thats it. No evidence, no proof, just takes yarned together by people that we don’t know if true or not. It’s like the telephone game. We don’t know if those stories are true or not. We can’t just believe them without substantial proof. All I’m asking is have the eagerness to believe innocence of Vic as you do for people that you don’t know about that are also possible lying because that is also a possibility guys. It’s not a new idea that these stories could be over exaggerated. I mean I'm not crazy to believe that right?

On one hand, I can't blame you for not reading every page of a 131 page thread before posting. On the other hand, it's rather grating that so many forum users with barely any posts, or who haven't posted in ages, decide to crawl out of the wordwork, dozens upon dozens of pages in, just to drop their largely-redundant two cents, as if this thread were the sole, or primary, purpose of their presence on this message board. It leads to a lot of stale points being brought up as if they're somehow novel in any way. Because, not having read the thread, who knows what's been brought up and what hasn't? Regardless, I'll re-post my point, from 65 pages and 46 days ago, regarding the bolded word, and it's needlessly-revived misuse here:

Outside of mathematics and logic, you won't find proof of anything anywhere. Not even science (civilization's most prestigious and rigorous collective empirical enterprise) deals in proof; science deals in evidence, inference, corroboration, and approximation. If it dealt in proof, it wouldn't constantly be open to revision, and if it wasn't constantly open to revision, it wouldn't be science.

We can draw an inference to the best explanation. What do we have to draw an inference from? What evidence do we have? At bare minimum, we have an absurd number of accusations, from people who largely have no indication of knowing one another, across a large expanse of time. Moreover, as a general rule, power tends to corrupt, and in addition to being an adult dealing with children, he's also a man dealing with women, a celebrity dealing with lay people, and a worship leader dealing with worship followers; that's several layers of power disparity. His employer also conducted an investigation, and has fired him.

Invoking Occam's Razor here, what is the best explanation here, the best interpretation of the available evidence, the one which draws upon the fewest number of assumptions? Spoiler: "He's innocent" requires a lot more assumptions, mental gymnastics, abject ignorance of how power dynamics work, and conspiracy theorizing. If we apply Occam's Razor, "both sides" couldn't be farther from "even".

Regarding "evidence", what are you honestly thirsting for? Video evidence? Do people need body cams on them 24/7 so there's video evidence? Do they need to be wearing a wire when they go out into public on the off chance that they're going to be groped?

Are you going to ask "why didn't they say anything sooner?" next? Because that too has been thoroughly addressed by probably a dozen people in this thread, several dozens of times, by now. If you haven't read the rest of the thread, I really advise you do so before posting more in it, because if you don't, there's a good chance that whatever point you're trying to get across has been addressed several times. I don't care if 131 pages sounds like a lot to read.

[Mooreish]

You all just seem so eager to believe he’s guilty when all that’s come up are just stories.thats it. No evidence, no proof, just takes yarned together by people that we don’t know if true or not. It’s like the telephone game. We don’t know if those stories are true or not. We can’t just believe them without substantial proof. All I’m asking is have the eagerness to believe innocence of Vic as you do for people that you don’t know about that are also possible lying because that is also a possibility guys. It’s not a new idea that these stories could be over exaggerated. I mean I'm not crazy to believe that right?

On one hand, I can't blame you for not reading every page of a 131 page thread before posting. On the other hand, it's rather grating that so many forum users with barely any posts, or who haven't posted in ages, decide to crawl out of the wordwork, dozens upon dozens of pages in, just to drop their largely-redundant two cents, as if this thread were the sole, or primary, purpose of their presence on this message board. It leads to a lot of stale points being brought up as if they're somehow novel in any way. Because, not having read the thread, who knows what's been brought up and what hasn't? Regardless, I'll re-post my point, from 65 pages and 46 days ago, regarding the bolded word, and it's needlessly-revived misuse here:

Outside of mathematics and logic, you won't find proof of anything anywhere. Not even science (civilization's most prestigious and rigorous collective empirical enterprise) deals in proof; science deals in evidence, inference, corroboration, and approximation. If it dealt in proof, it wouldn't constantly be open to revision, and if it wasn't constantly open to revision, it wouldn't be science.

We can draw an inference to the best explanation. What do we have to draw an inference from? What evidence do we have? At bare minimum, we have an absurd number of accusations, from people who largely have no indication of knowing one another, across a large expanse of time. Moreover, as a general rule, power tends to corrupt, and in addition to being an adult dealing with children, he's also a man dealing with women, a celebrity dealing with lay people, and a worship leader dealing with worship followers; that's several layers of power disparity. His employer also conducted an investigation, and has fired him.

Invoking Occam's Razor here, what is the best explanation here, the best interpretation of the available evidence, the one which draws upon the fewest number of assumptions? Spoiler: "He's innocent" requires a lot more assumptions, mental gymnastics, abject ignorance of how power dynamics work, and conspiracy theorizing. If we apply Occam's Razor, "both sides" couldn't be farther from "even".

Regarding "evidence", what are you honestly thirsting for? Video evidence? Do people need body cams on them 24/7 so there's video evidence? Do they need to be wearing a wire when they go out into public on the off chance that they're going to be groped?

Are you going to ask "why didn't they say anything sooner?" next? Because that too has been thoroughly addressed by probably a dozen people in this thread, several dozens of times, by now. If you haven't read the rest of the thread, I really advise you do so before posting more in it, because if you don't, there's a good chance that whatever point you're trying to get across has been addressed several times. I don't care if 131 pages sounds like a lot to read.

I did read them...as they were posted...so I haven’t seen them in a while. But seriously, why is it so hard to believe that some of the stories might not be true?

[Fionordequester]

Well, I think he might also be under the impression that his life will somehow be "ruined" by not being able to voice Broly, Elric, Qrow, or...whoever else anymore.

He's not. He got fired; that's it. Again, this is his resume:

Professional Resume

And to re-iterate my post from Page 129:

The dude was an actual cop for two years, and is now a literal vice president & co-owner of his own music, sound design, and video production company, among many other things. Voice acting is inconsequential to him; so inconsequential, in fact, that he doesn't even list it on his professional resume.

Considering how small and how niche the anime community is, the guy could easily get another job that falls into another one of his many talents, with absolutely NOBODY being the wiser.

Mignogna isn't in High School, folks. He's not going to be "hated by everyone" even if every accusation is true. He's going to be hated by a very small chunk of anime geeks, even should his court case be the most one-sided thing we ever saw in the Dragon Ball fandom.

[Mooreish]

Well, I think he might also be under the impression that his life will somehow be "ruined" by not being able to voice Broly, Elric, Qrow, or...whoever else anymore.

He's not. He got fired; that's it. Again, this is his resume:

Professional Resume

And to re-iterate my post from Page 129:

The dude was an actual cop for two years, and is now a literal vice president & co-owner of his own music, sound design, and video production company, among many other things. Voice acting is inconsequential to him; so inconsequential, in fact, that he doesn't even list it on his professional resume.

Considering how small and how niche the anime community is, the guy could easily get another job that falls into another one of his many talents, with absolutely NOBODY being the wiser.

Mignogna isn't in High School, folks. He's not going to be "hated by everyone" even if every accusation is true. He's going to be hated by a very small chunk of anime geeks, even should his court case be the most one-sided thing we ever saw in the Dragon Ball fandom.

Eh he’ll be back, he’s too big in the industry. His voice is too iconic. Like Hilary Haag. Like Brett weaver. Like Bryan Cranston. If Japan makes another full metal alchemist you think people are gonna stand for anybody besides Vic voicing Edward Elric. Or another ouran high school host club without Vic as tamaki?


And GOD HELP THE POOR PATHETIC SOUL THAT TRIES TO REPLACE HIM AS BROLY AND QROW BRENWEN IN DRAGON BALL SUPER AND RWBY!!!!!


seriously though, there are just voices in shows that you just can’t replace.

[Zinnia]

seriously though, there are just voices in shows that you just can’t replace.

Seriously? His voice is as generic as they come. Even in the first DBS: Broly English trailer, it wasn't actually him shouting as Broly, but someone else. And they did a way better job at that.

Also there will never be another FMA, it's a dead/finished series, move on.

[Fionordequester]

Eh he’ll be back, he’s too big in the industry. His voice is too iconic. Like Hilary Haag. Like Brett weaver. Like Bryan Cranston. If Japan makes another full metal alchemist you think people are gonna stand for anybody besides Vic voicing Edward Elric. Or another ouran high school host club without Vic as tamaki?

Alright, well, there you go. We're all doing the right thing by presuming Mignogna's guilt. Even in the 1% off chance that we're all SOMEHOW wrong about him , dude'll be just fine.

Meanwhile, his victims have to spend the rest of their lives dealing with the shame of having been assaulted by him.

[Mooreish]

seriously though, there are just voices in shows that you just can’t replace.

Seriously? His voice is as generic as they come. Even in the first DBS: Broly English trailer, it wasn't actually him shouting as Broly, but someone else. And they did a way better job at that.

Also there will never be another FMA, it's a dead/finished series, move on.

You don’t know that. They did just bring back fruits basket.

[Mooreish]

Alright, well, there you go. We're all right to be against Vic Mignogna; even in the 1% off chance that we're all SOMEHOW wrong about him , dude'll be just fine.

Meanwhile, his victims have to spend the rest of their lives dealing with the shame of having been assaulted by him.

That’s not what’s been said at all. And supposed

[Fionordequester]

That’s not what’s been said at all.

It may not have been what you meant, but it's what you said. I told you that Mignogna would find another job, even if it turned out he was guilty, and you responded by saying he wouldn't even be booted out of the anime industry.

Therefore, there's nothing to fear by assuming that the man who's probably guilty is, in fact, guilty.

[Mooreish]

That’s not what’s been said at all.

It may not have been what you meant, but it's what you said. I told you that Mignogna would find another job, even if it turned out he was guilty, and you responded by saying he wouldn't even be booted out of the anime industry.

Therefore, there's nothing to fear by assuming that the man who's probably guilty is, in fact, guilty.

Not guilty and I included funimation in there too. It’s like the wwe. Everybody always comes back.

[Fionordequester]

Not guilty...

It's fine if you don't think he is... But if you're going to lecture us about needing "proof", then you need accept that you don't have any proof, either.

[SaiyamanMS]

I did read them...as they were posted...so I haven’t seen them in a while. But seriously, why is it so hard to believe that some of the stories might not be true?

It’s not hard to believe that some of the stories might not be true. It’s a little difficult to believe that all of them aren’t true when there’s this many. (Especially over so many years.)

seriously though, there are just voices in shows that you just can’t replace.

Seriously? His voice is as generic as they come. Even in the first DBS: Broly English trailer, it wasn't actually him shouting as Broly, but someone else. And they did a way better job at that.

Also there will never be another FMA, it's a dead/finished series, move on.

You don’t know that. They did just bring back fruits basket.

Any voice is replaceable, the entire cast of Pokémon got replaced in 2006 and people still ask for Veronica Taylor back even though Sarah Natochenny has been playing Ash longer than her at this point. Doesn’t mean they’ll bring her back. There wasn’t even a scandal in that instance. (Taylor is my preferred Ash Ketchum by the way.) Dragon Ball got fully recast when they switched from the Ocean cast to doing the show in Texas.

Also, Fruits Basket is back because they’re doing a full adaptation of the manga this time. Fullmetal Alchemist already got that with Brotherhood, it’s over.

[Kinokima]

I am laughing at Vic’s voice being called iconic

He was good as Edward Elric & Tamaki but Paku Romi. and Miyano Mamoru were better

And he was miscast as Broly. He is okay as regular Broly but when Broly goes Berserk he has nothing on Bin Shamada

And he was also miscast as Rin in Free! Probably because he voiced Tamaki in Ouran they used his voice for another Miyano Mamoru character except Miyano has range unlike Vic


If we never hear him in dubs again there would be no loss


Edit: I am now seeing this story on twitter that Monica Rial got someone removed from a con who dressed as Edward Elric. It’s funny how these ppl who won’t believe victims stories but will believe some urban legend posted on twitter with no proof.


The story keeps changing too. First it was one con, then it was two. First it was just Edward Elric but then it was anyone dressed as a Vic character. And it goes from being kicked out of the con to being threatened to be arrested for harassment.


But I bet there will be 50 YouTube videos about it soon.

[KBABZ]

On one hand, I can't blame you for not reading every page of a 131 page thread before posting. On the other hand, it's rather grating that so many forum users with barely any posts, or who haven't posted in ages, decide to crawl out of the wordwork, dozens upon dozens of pages in

To be perfectly honest I believe at least half of those are old alt accounts from other users that have been banned due to their posting style in this thread.

seriously though, there are just voices in shows that you just can’t replace.

That's INCREDIBLY ironic for you to say that considering the entire dub cast's job is to replace the Japanese voices (and in the early days, this was played much more Orwellian than it is today), many of whom replaced the Ocean cast and the rest replaced old Funi staff, like Clinkenbeard for Nadolny. In my opinion, Nadolny is THE English voice for Kid Goku, but now she isn't anymore. Tough titties.

It’s funny how these ppl who won’t believe victims stories but will believe some urban legend posted on twitter with no proof.

This, 1000% this.

-Multiple allegations come out from across multiple decades-
"WHERES THE EVIDENCE???"
-one guy on Twitter posts an unfounded rumour-
"iono but i trust this stranger, fuk rial"