Vic Mignogna

[KBABZ]

Youtubers is for kids and maladjusted man-children what "Men in a suit" was for boomers. Both assume a level of unearned authenticity while rattling off half-assed ideas, and the audience buys into it because "ThEY ARE SAYING THE THINGS THAT I AM THINKING. WHO NEEDS RESEARCH?"

It's what I call "The Fox News" approach.

Niel De-Grasse Tyson had a funny yet pertinent tweet about this sort of thing:

SCIENTISTS: “We’ve produced the first-ever image of a supermassive Black Hole, 55-million light years away”
RESPONSE: “Oooh!”

SCIENTISTS: “We’ve concluded that humans are catastrophically warming Earth”
RESPONSE: “That conflicts with what I want to be true, so it must be false”

[SaiyaSith]

Yeah, this (like Gamergate) is pretty much just a western thing. Accusations that liberals are ruining anime dubs by inserting their “woke “ views into them.

Let's not act like like Funimation doesn't change dub lines completely away from the original script. You can't blame people for being upset that they made ridiculous script changes to every episode of DBZ or inserted their political views into certain anime, no matter what you align yourself with. I'm sure you're referring to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrINOumUccA

I don't know how anyone could defend this type of script change. Do you even care about anime? Or are you only here to push your political agenda?

oh no..that is truly the worst. oh my gooooooooooood.

Actually, I don't know what I was thinking. As long as the Funimation dubs completely change the original characters and/ or insert their own political agendas that I agree with, then I'm happy. We should also applaud them for their fabulous work on the new 30th anniversary bluray collection. They made great changes to that old hideous footage and cut the bad half off of the screen. Fuck the originals, amirite? #HardcoreFansKnow #AllHailFunimation

[XanatosVanBadass]

Actually, I don't know what I was thinking. As long as the Funimation dubs completely change the original characters and/ or insert their own political agendas that I agree with, then I'm happy. We should also applaud them for their fabulous work on the new 30th anniversary bluray collection. They made great changes to that old hideous footage and cut the bad half off of the screen. Fuck the originals, amirite? #HardcoreFansKnow #AllHailFunimation

What the fuck are you on about?

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

Let's not act like like Funimation doesn't change dub lines completely away from the original script. You can't blame people for being upset that they made ridiculous script changes to every episode of DBZ or inserted their political views into certain anime, no matter what you align yourself with. I'm sure you're referring to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrINOumUccA

I don't know how anyone could defend this type of script change. Do you even care about anime? Or are you only here to push your political agenda?

oh no..that is truly the worst. oh my gooooooooooood.

Actually, I don't know what I was thinking. As long as the Funimation dubs completely change the original characters and/ or insert their own political agendas that I agree with, then I'm happy. We should also applaud them for their fabulous work on the new 30th anniversary bluray collection. They made great changes to that old hideous footage and cut the bad half off of the screen. Fuck the originals, amirite? #HardcoreFansKnow #AllHailFunimation

Um, what???? I don't get what exactly you're trying to say here.

[SaiyaSith]

#HardcoreFansKnow

Spoiler:

Apologies for the derail lol... just venting after seeing people defend Funi on forums and youtube comments. After all of their mishandlings of the Dragon Ball ip, this bluray set was the last straw for me.

[VegettoEX]

Please don't post excessive, sarcastic, performance-art kind of nonsense. It clutters the thread, distracts from the actual issues, and is rather embarrassing.

[Kinokima]

Ryo Horikawa cancelled attending Kameha Con. Obviously this is very last minute and I am sure it was because of something outside his control like personal reasons.

But what do you know cue the conspiracy theorists saying Toei cancelled his appearance because they are upset how this whole Vic thing was handled. I am pretty sure if that even had a small chance of being true his appearance would have been cancelled a long time ago not last minute like this. But doesn’t stop the conspiracies from forming.


At this point anything negative that happens people will say Toei did it because they were upset about Vic.

[gokaiblue]

Ryo Horikawa cancelled attending Kameha Con. Obviously this is very last minute and I am sure it was because of something outside his control like personal reasons.

But what do you know cue the conspiracy theorists saying Toei cancelled his appearance because they are upset how this whole Vic thing was handled. I am pretty sure if that even had a small chance of being true his appearance would have been cancelled a long time ago not last minute like this. But doesn’t stop the conspiracies from forming.


At this point anything negative that happens people will say Toei did it because they were upset about Vic.

Yep. I already saw someone link a a summary of a Nick stream.

[Kinokima]

Now people are spreading the conspiracy theory that Toei is going to pull all their intellectual properties from Funi. It scares me how ignorant people can be and how quickly they jump to believe these conspiracy theories.

[KBABZ]

Now people are spreading the conspiracy theory that Toei is going to pull all their intellectual properties from Funi. It scares me how ignorant people can be and how quickly they jump to believe these conspiracy theories.

They'll be proven wrong in a year when nothing happens. It's like doomsday predictors.

[Mooreish]

Now people are spreading the conspiracy theory that Toei is going to pull all their intellectual properties from Funi. It scares me how ignorant people can be and how quickly they jump to believe these conspiracy theories.

They'll be proven wrong in a year when nothing happens. It's like doomsday predictors.

Why assume?

[KBABZ]

Now people are spreading the conspiracy theory that Toei is going to pull all their intellectual properties from Funi. It scares me how ignorant people can be and how quickly they jump to believe these conspiracy theories.

They'll be proven wrong in a year when nothing happens. It's like doomsday predictors.

Why assume?

Because that's how loony conspiracy theories with no evidence go.

[SaiyaSith]

Please don't post excessive, sarcastic, performance-art kind of nonsense. It clutters the thread, distracts from the actual issues, and is rather embarrassing.

I was poking fun at Funimation's quote where they said "we wanted to release the series in 4:3 for the hardcore subset of DBZ fans" when we now know that's a lie. But yes, I definitely got triggered by the sarcastic reply towards me and responded with more sarcasm. I couldn't help myself and I agree with you Mike. I'm going to take a page out of your book and just ignore stuff like that from now on because it solves nothing going back and forth.

Ryo Horikawa cancelled attending Kameha Con. Obviously this is very last minute and I am sure it was because of something outside his control like personal reasons.

Wow, lots of last minute dropouts.

EDIT: It's actually only Ryo Horikawa who dropped out last minute. Chris Sabat didn't drop out, but his studio tour was cancelled after the name changed from "The Prince of All Saiyans Tour" to "Okatron 5000 Studio Tour". A picture of Vegeta was also removed from the poster which fueled the fire to conspiracy theories that Toei ordered them to remove the Dragon Ball branding from his paid studio tour.

[Fionordequester]

I was poking fun at Funimation's quote where they said "we wanted to release the series in 4:3 for the hardcore subset of DBZ fans" when we now know that's a lie. But yes, I definitely got triggered by the sarcastic reply towards me and responded with more sarcasm. I couldn't help myself and I agree with you Mike. I'm going to take a page out of your book and just ignore stuff like that from now on because it solves nothing going back and forth.

Well, it's not just the sarcasm and rudeness. It's the fact that what you said didn't seem like it had anything to do with what we were talking about before.

I mean, we were talking about Gamergate...then you start talking about how FUNimation ruined the script of DBZ by not being faithful to it? Then further went on to talk about how they lied about wanting to release the series in 4:3?

I don't understand how you went from one point to the other, and I'm guessing the other folks don't either. That's what confused me more than anything.

[SaiyaSith]

Well, it's not just the sarcasm and rudeness. It's the fact that what you said didn't seem like it had anything to do with what we were talking about before.

I mean, we were talking about Gamergate...then you start talking about how FUNimation ruined the script of DBZ by not being faithful to it? Then further went on to talk about how they lied about wanting to release the series in 4:3?

I don't understand how you went from one point to the other, and I'm guessing the other folks don't either. That's what confused me more than anything.

No, I quoted someone who was talking about Funimation inserting political stuff into anime that was out of place and completely changed what the characters said. It's similar to how they changed all of the old DBZ episodes and Funimation being terrible in general by not even trying to keep it close to the original. Then someone else replied to me sarcastically and brushed it off like it was nothing, so I responded sarcastically back.

I've just been pissed off at Funimation this week after waiting so many years for a good DBZ release only to get this crappy news. Seeing people defend them on forums and youtube comments is frustrating.

Like I said, I don't want to derail this thread anymore.

[Fionordequester]

No, I quoted someone who was talking about Funimation inserting political stuff into anime that was out of place and completely changed what the characters said. It's similar to how they changed all of the old DBZ episodes and Funimation being terrible in general by not even trying to keep it close to the original.

Hmm... Tbh, I can't really find that. The closest I could find was someone making fun of the idea that dubbing companies were somehow inserting liberal viewpoints into their anime. However, I can't find anything specifically singling FUNimation out as having done that at any point.

Heck, if anything, they're quite the opposite ...

[Bryesque]

Ryo Horikawa cancelled attending Kameha Con. Obviously this is very last minute and I am sure it was because of something outside his control like personal reasons.

Wow, lots of last minute dropouts.

EDIT: It's actually only Ryo Horikawa who dropped out last minute. Chris Sabat didn't drop out, but his studio tour was cancelled after the name changed from "The Prince of All Saiyans Tour" to "Okatron 5000 Studio Tour". A picture of Vegeta was also removed from the poster which fueled the fire to conspiracy theories that Toei ordered them to remove the Dragon Ball branding from his paid studio tour.

Last-minute cancellations and schedule changes happen all the time. Trust me on this, I've been to a bunch of cons both as an attendee and behind a booth, and it happens a lot, for a myriad of (usually rather boring) reasons. The dudes jumping at conspiracy theories are grasping at straws as usual, because that is very unlikely. Especially these ideas that Toei is pulling everyone's strings - on the list of things for the company's higher-ups to care about, all of this ranks... well, it's probably not even on the list, really.

As for the studio tour: did the name change after Sabat pulled out? Because it'd make sense to remove the Vegeta-specific name and imagery if the character's VA wasn't gonna be present anymore.

[KBABZ]

The dudes jumping at conspiracy theories are grasping at straws as usual, because that is very unlikely. Especially these ideas that Toei is pulling everyone's strings - on the list of things for the company's higher-ups to care about, all of this ranks... well, it's probably not even on the list, really.

If Toei WERE on Funi's strings as it were, we wouldn't have such an awful dub as the main output of Z 25 years after the fact. Far as we know, Toei is INCREDIBLY lax in regards to how Funimation treats their own work.

[WittyUsername]

No, I quoted someone who was talking about Funimation inserting political stuff into anime that was out of place and completely changed what the characters said. It's similar to how they changed all of the old DBZ episodes and Funimation being terrible in general by not even trying to keep it close to the original.

Hmm... Tbh, I can't really find that. The closest I could find was someone making fun of the idea that dubbing companies were somehow inserting liberal viewpoints into their anime. However, I can't find anything specifically singling FUNimation out as having done that at any point.

Heck, if anything, they're quite the opposite ...

I’m not really an anime person, but they apparently referenced GamerGate in one of their dubs, which is weird, since I can’t imagine that very many people in Japan have even heard of GamerGate.

[kemuri07]

Now people are spreading the conspiracy theory that Toei is going to pull all their intellectual properties from Funi. It scares me how ignorant people can be and how quickly they jump to believe these conspiracy theories.

And this also speaks to a larger issue of conspiracy theories and how it can have a drastic effect on society on both a social and political level. This is the kind of stuff that can make a person decide to shoot up a Planned Parenthood because they believe that they're murdering babies and selling their body parts on the black market, or believe in bullshit like school-shooting "crisis actors."

Because this is the double-edge of the internet: Their is so much information widely available at a push of a button, it becomes all-too easy to wrap your reality around the narrative that "you" want to believe in. So if you want to believe that there's a wide-spread conspiracy of SJWs attempting to take over the industry to push their "dirty, liberal agenda" at you--well now there's hundreds of youtubers who will gladly supply you with misinformation and leaps in logic to keep you coming back for more.

That is the art of the grift.