"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Saiga]

I don't think a connection to the main cast is necessary, and there are several DB villains that that doesn't apply to. The problem is that the other DB villains have done things to quickly

Like, Daimao's connection to Roshi was pretty loose and mostly done to establish his presence. The audience weren't introduced to God until after his defeat, so that connection is less important. I'd say he's definitely comparable to Moro's connection so far.

Ten was connected to the cast/previous antagonists in a similarly loose way, and would have been functional without that (it's definitely better to have that layer, but his 'arrogant kung fu guy' schtick still would have worked.

Red wasn't really connected to the cast, nor was Pilaf. Boo had pretty minimal connection, being connected to new characters who were part of the same hierarchy as Kaio.

It's more like the 23rd Budokai to Android arcs are an outlier if anything.

I think Moro's problem isn't the lack of a connection, its that so far he hasn't done a whole lot. I actually think he is pretty interesting, its just that not a whole lot is happening in the plot around him.

[LightBing]

I say give it time. In my opinion we just finished the prologue of the arc. Moro was introduced and beat-down the strongest characters, now it gets interesting. Will Goku go train with Broly? Will they really on Majin Boo and the Galactic Patrol plan? Maybe they'll even travel to Universe 11 and ask Jiren for assistance. Maybe Vegeta will ask Bulma for a space suit and try to fight Moro in space where he - maybe - would have a harder time using planets to supply his power.

There's a bunch of possibilities.

To make a comparison to the Boo Arc, Majin Boo just defeated Gohan and we're waiting for the plot to start moving.

My hope is that next episode Moro's character is given more meat, apparently he plans to consume all life, for what purpose? Does he wish to live in a barren Universe? We saw his end at the hands of Dai Kaioshin what about his origins? How did he acquire his powers?

Once again I say, give it time.

[goku the krump dancer]

I agree with LightBing.. Gotta give it more time, technically we're only like 3 or four chapters into the arc and as of now there's no anime comparison to compare to so unlike previous chapters dont really have much of an idea on how things will play out.

Granted I do understand how some folks might be burnt out on the Goku-Vegeta Dynamic. If you think about it, this is the most Dragon Ball the world has since at one time. What I mean is, back in its original run, we had the Manga, the anime, & movies which is pretty standard. NOWADAYS we have the Manga, Anime, Movies and even the video games have multiple stories being told at the same time, along with an anime adaption of that, which has a manga version so thats SIX different stories being told almost simultaneously and they're all being spear headed with the same Goku-Vegeta rhetoric that we've been getting since 2015 with RoF. Which is kinda interesting considering that Heroes has its own set of original protags but some how Goku and Vegeta still remain somewhat at the forefront.

[Kanassa]

I don't think it's much of a defense of a story to say "Don't worry, it'll get good eventually"

[LightBing]

Likewise for criticism of an incomplete story. Sure people can judge what has happen so far, doesn't mean there isn't a high chance new information will change our perspective completely.

Seems an exercise in futility comparing certain aspects of this arc, to other arcs that are complete. Which is why I said to wait and see, it could get better, it could get worse. It could continue it's current course and be an uninspired arc till the end. Just let it get off the stage before clapping or booing.

[Nokra]

Likewise for criticism of an incomplete story. Sure people can judge what has happen so far, doesn't mean there isn't a high chance new information will change our perspective completely.

Seems an exercise in futility comparing certain aspects of this arc, to other arcs that are complete. Which is why I said to wait and see, it could get better, it could get worse. It could continue it's current course and be an uninspired arc till the end. Just let it get off the stage before clapping or booing.

People hate on everything in dbs so you shouldn't be surprised at all the negative comments.

[Liquir]

DBS Manga Volume 9 Sales Numbers:
4 day Results ( April 4th-7th ) :131,117 Copies sold

Number six most sold manga in Japan for the April 1st-7th (Week One results).
Source: Oricon.JP

[Noitsnothim]

How come There's no More Toriyama/Toyo Interviews in the new Super Volumes? Either I'm wrong or did they stop doing those after the beginning of the T.O.P Saga ?

I feel like this interviews helped a lot

[sintzu]

I don't think it's much of a defense of a story to say "Don't worry, it'll get good eventually"

It's not really fair to judge a story based on parts of it. What may seem bad now could make sense once the story is complete and we have the full picture.

[Michsi]

Likewise for criticism of an incomplete story. Sure people can judge what has happen so far, doesn't mean there isn't a high chance new information will change our perspective completely.

Seems an exercise in futility comparing certain aspects of this arc, to other arcs that are complete. Which is why I said to wait and see, it could get better, it could get worse. It could continue it's current course and be an uninspired arc till the end. Just let it get off the stage before clapping or booing.

There's nothing wrong with judging individual chapters, especially when you only get one a month and have plenty of time to ruminate over it's merit and whether or not you like where the story seems to be going. The response for the first few chapters was almost universally positive even though fans knew even less then about the direction the arc would take . If the arc as a whole will be good and entertaining , it won't matter that it had a few bad chapters, but if this chapter signals a downward trend, well....

For the record, I don't think the last chapter was that bad...just not as interesting as the ones before it and the "cliffhanger" nearly spoiled the whole thing for me.

[emperior]

How come There's no More Toriyama/Toyo Interviews in the new Super Volumes? Either I'm wrong or did they stop doing those after the beginning of the T.O.P Saga ?

I feel like this interviews helped a lot

I was hoping for a new interview too. I wonder why they didn’t include one in this volume, because I really wanted to get some behind the scenes information about the Tournament of Power.

[LightBing]

There's nothing wrong with judging individual chapters, especially when you only get one a month and have plenty of time to ruminate over it's merit and whether or not you like where the story seems to be going. The response for the first few chapters was almost universally positive even though fans knew even less then about the direction the arc would take . If the arc as a whole will be good and entertaining , it won't matter that it had a few bad chapters, but if this chapter signals a downward trend, well....

For the record, I don't think the last chapter was that bad...just not as interesting as the ones before it and the "cliffhanger" nearly spoiled the whole thing for me.

I agree, we can judge self-contained material like chapters. Not saying we can't look at sections in their contexts.

[Kanassa]

I don't think it's much of a defense of a story to say "Don't worry, it'll get good eventually"

It's not really fair to judge a story based on parts of it. What may seem bad now could make sense once the story is complete and we have the full picture.

It's not fair to judge a whole story based on parts of an incomplete whole, but it is fair to judge those individual parts themselves. Though I would say there's elements that you can't really change the quality of later, if you find the first few chapters bland and boring, nothing the later chapters reveal or make relevant would change that. This goes double for the beginning because the opening is the important hook that makes you interested in the rest of the story, you shouldn't have to see the entire story, especially when the story is in a format where you get it in pieces, to find the opening interesting or engaging.

[Rakurai]

I don't think it's much of a defense of a story to say "Don't worry, it'll get good eventually"

I have to agree with this sentiment.

I've been one of Toyotarou's biggest fans since the entirety of DBS began, and I've enjoyed his take on DBS far more than the anime, but even I can say that this arc has been more of a letdown than an interesting ride thus far. He hasn't done anything special with Moro himself, let alone his magical powers. Goku and Vegeta job incompetently. The Galactic Patrol have been sitting on the sidelines when this is supposed to be their arc.

The arc started off strong but now it's getting more and more mediocre and predictable. I hope we get to see more depth to Moro's character, like motivations and real emotional moments, because he could very well be worse than Cell as an antagonist when it comes to characterization.

[anubisj]

I really don´t get it. Dragon Ball is one of the most important franchises in Japan, but it seems like the ongoing manga is being created by just one guy, with advice from Akira Toriyama...I mean, if Toyo did it right, if he was a great genius...

But, for me at least, he isn´t. He draws well, but the quality of his stories/villains/etc is not on par with the anime, and I didn´t see the latter as the pinnacle of perfection, particularly. I´ll admit I died a little when I saw Merus KO two of the main warriors of the universe with a...taser gun?

Like, even if Goku was to be taken by surprise, which is hard to swallow but ok, how come Vegeta is, too? If Merus is faster than Vegeta and Goku, surely he could have helped with Cell, golden frieza, buu, hit...at the very least, having a weapon so powerful, and with such an incredible speed, he could have destroyed a large part of the Frieza Empire all by himself.

I don´t know, I just didn´t like how Toyo executed the opening of this new arc. I enjoyed the Namekian Savior and his subsequent death (that was hilarious, and so DBish), but Moro doesn´t look that much interesting, as of yet. In fact, nothing about this arc has piqued my interest yet (I want to see more of Moro´s magical abilities!).

It is really weird, like Dragon Ball is so popular right now, and yet the official story seems to be decreasing in quality (at least they are doing some nice stuff with the games). Maybe it´s the calm before the storm...

[Piccolo_Daima]

I can't wait to the next episode of the manga. The whole "legendary namekian" thing it can end in only one way, with Piccolo becoming in the Super Namekian God and saving Namek from Moro.

[PsionicWarrior]

Oh wow I am so happy right now,

I had put the manga on the side during TOP because meh but now I have caught up and I must say I adore this new Moro arc,
If this keeps up Dragon Ball is definitely (and finally at last) back on track for me

[Noah]

Goku and Vegeta are easily the best characters in the series, and perhaps even all of shonen. There aren't many rivalry dynamics that play to the strengths of the genre quite as well as theirs consistently has; without Goku, Vegeta would lose a lot of the context for his growth as a character, and without Vegeta, Goku loses an important foil element that makes his own approach to getting stronger so significant. They're essentially the yin and yang of Dragon Ball's identity at this point.

You probably didn't had read much other shonen to state something like that. I thought people had already understood that the rivalry between Goku and Vegeta is at most one-sided. Goku doesn't need Vegeta for anything, he can carry the show by himself, but then you might say: "Oh, but that would be boring as GT" not really, you can have another character to replace Vegeta just fine, just look to Hit, Jiren or even Freeza, whose interactions with Goku prior to the Tournament Of Power were gold and people were starting to bit their tongue about his sixth (?) revival.

Vegeta on the other hand is 80% dependable on Goku, he did not move on as expected after the Number One speech, he still want to surpass him no matter what, it would be a better dynamic if Vegeta wanted to get strong by himself, for his family and not for the sake of an outdated rivalry. I like it that at first he did not want join into the ToP because of Bulla's birth, an interesting bit about his character, but that was after half hundred of chapters/episodes of him doing his usual thing.

There's so much depth to Vegeta as a character, and Goku has so much meaning in being the ur-example of the shonen idiot hero but done well. I don't believe anyone who says they'd rather see Tenshinhan or something. There's nowhere near the kind of depth the two leads have present in any other Dragonball character. If Tenshinhan and, say, Yamcha were the leads going through these boring events, you'd be just as bored, but you'd have become bored much faster.

I sure believe there's depth on Vegeta's character, but not on Super where he is constantly "hmph" and chasing a car he will never catch, no matter how near he's close to it.

Goku... I sincerely don't know. What could still be done with him? He's that way and there's no changing of it, they tried to dumb him down to remember things he have learned in the past in order to force a development and I don't think that was received well.

What are you rambling on about? No one has seen enough of NEW Planet Namek this is the first time they visit that planet and interact with the namekians after so long you're talking about like if it's the Green Hill Zone of Dragon Ball

Movie 6 says hello.

[superfan2024]

Idk man, am I the only one who feels that this arc is kinda dry? As ridiculous as it may sound, it feels like I'm reading an OVA or a DBZ movie in
manga form, at least with these last two chapters. It just starts off with Goku and Vegeta casually training (as usual) until something new randomly happens. I just hope the next chapters give us some more lore and/or some more insight on the Namekians and the Galactic Space Patrol.

I think that's one of my main issues with Super. Everything so far has felt like some side-story but not a side-story. I missed the old arcs of the OG 42 volumes when each arc served as a purpose leading into the next. Yes, villains and antagonists came out of nowhere just as Super, but each arc felt connected in some way, and the characters felt like they actually progressed. In Super, it's like nothing has changed ever since the Resurrection 'F' arc aside from Freeza being brought back to life (which, frankly just seems pointless after Broly) and Ultra Instinct (which is still pretty cool).

[Shaddy]

Idk man, am I the only one who feels that this arc is kinda dry? As ridiculous as it may sound, it feels like I'm reading an OVA or a DBZ movie in manga form, at least with these last two chapters.

You'll find that quite a few people echo these sentiments almost verbatim. It feels like one of the lesser Z films, like Slug or Android 13.