"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Broly's father isn't a background character since he's literally the reason why Broly is the way that he is, an unstable man child who Freeza easily manipulated. Certain things simply wouldn't have happened in the Broly movie if it wasn't for him.

I don't disagree with you but he still is a background character in the sense he doesn't give the chills, he can get killed so easily by the main cast and that is exactly what happened

That really isn't the definition of a background character. That just makes him non-fighter like Babidi, who was also killed easily.

[PsionicWarrior]

Looks like we're arguing over semantics here, can you really not relate why I would see Babidi in the background compared to Buu the same way I see Paragus in the background compared to Broly?

[HeroR]

Looks like we're arguing over semantics here, can you really not relate why I would see Babidi in the background compared to Buu the same way I see Paragus in the background compared to Broly?

Background character to me means someone like Yamcha after the Cell Games, even before honestly, or Roshi in Z. Someone who is there, but adds nothing to the story other than a reminder that they exist and could be removed and nothing would change. Someone who is responsible for the main plot is by definition not a background character.

What you're thinking of is 'Man Behind the Man' kind of deal.

[Kanassa]

Looks like we're arguing over semantics here, can you really not relate why I would see Babidi in the background compared to Buu the same way I see Paragus in the background compared to Broly?

Don't you unicorn my discombobulation.

[PsionicWarrior]

@HeroR Yes that's what I meant by "he's in the background"

@Kanassa lol yeah exactly why you guys try to spoil my enthusiasm lol

[Kanassa]

@HeroR Yes that's what I meant by "he's in the background"

@Kanassa lol yeah exactly why you guys try to spoil my enthusiasm lol

To have a coherent conversation about your point, it's good to understand your point. It's hard to understand your point when you keep using the words wrong.

[PsionicWarrior]

Ok well sorry for the misunderstand and glad that's all cleared up lol

[SaiyanTarzan]

That would be laughable. They literally did the same thing with Nail (right down for being beaten & left for dead by the villain before Piccolo finds them), it would be a blatant retread just to give Piccolo a power up. And he's not even in this arc right now, nor does he have any reason to get involved.

I get why people want a power up for Piccolo (even if I disagree) but I have to say this would be one of the worst ways to go about it.

Pretty much this, I don't mind Piccolo getting stronger and even more relevant, he had a fair amount of screen time in the TOP but if Piccolo is going to get stronger it has to have a story reason that revolves around Piccolo. When he fused with Nail and Kami they were all set up in a point of crisis and built Piccolo's character at the same time, Piccolo fusing with some Namekians wouldn't feel right at this point in time and that's mostly because he doesn't have much connection with them.

[Michsi]

That would be laughable. They literally did the same thing with Nail (right down for being beaten & left for dead by the villain before Piccolo finds them), it would be a blatant retread just to give Piccolo a power up. And he's not even in this arc right now, nor does he have any reason to get involved.

I get why people want a power up for Piccolo (even if I disagree) but I have to say this would be one of the worst ways to go about it.

Pretty much this, I don't mind Piccolo getting stronger and even more relevant, he had a fair amount of screen time in the TOP but if Piccolo is going to get stronger it has to have a story reason that revolves around Piccolo. When he fused with Nail and Kami they were all set up in a point of crisis and built Piccolo's character at the same time, Piccolo fusing with some Namekians wouldn't feel right at this point in time and that's mostly because he doesn't have much connection with them.

There are ways to shortcut through all of that, especially for Piccolo, who does have a connection with what is happening simply by virtue of being a Namekian. You could just say he is doing it for Nail or something since I think it was confirmed that, while he didn't adopt any of Nail's personality traits, he does have his memories. Tsuburi could be made to be someone Nail knew.

Piccolo's involvement is really the easiest to write, but again, I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't so much as mentioned the whole arc. For now it would seem they are more interested in Vegeta's atonement and maybe that's the real reason the characters were sent to Namek in the first place.

[Saiga]

Since when did that stop Dragon Ball before? We already know Bulma has been informed of what's going on and Dende knows where New Namek is. Capsule Corp has had ships that could reach old Namek in a couple of days for years, I imagine it wouldn't be complicated for them to make their way there if they wanted to.

As for Piccolo, it's Namek! That's all the reason he needs. He's been shoved into arcs with no other intent than to remind us of his presence and because he's popular, but you'd find it odd that they'd look for a way to involve him here? Dende is even further out of his league here and has a responsibility on Earth and I still wouldn't be surprised or hold it against him if he wanted to lend a hand.

I really cannot agree with the line of logic of 'it's been done before, so it's okay'. I don't care that it's been done before. It doesn't make narrative sense to just throw him in now.

Bulma has been made aware and wants to go there, not sure where that's going, but it'd still be weird for Piccolo to get involved at any point in that. Is he meant to just show up and get on her ship? That comes across as incredibly forced. I see no reason why either would seek out the other right now, unless Dende is aware of what's going on and tells Piccolo, but that seems like a stretch with no set-up.

And I don't think Namek being the set up is reason enough for Piccolo to go. Not when he's aware that he's outclassed and has no real meaningful way to contribute. He doesn't get involved in the large scale conflicts anymore.

[Michsi]

Since when did that stop Dragon Ball before? We already know Bulma has been informed of what's going on and Dende knows where New Namek is. Capsule Corp has had ships that could reach old Namek in a couple of days for years, I imagine it wouldn't be complicated for them to make their way there if they wanted to.

As for Piccolo, it's Namek! That's all the reason he needs. He's been shoved into arcs with no other intent than to remind us of his presence and because he's popular, but you'd find it odd that they'd look for a way to involve him here? Dende is even further out of his league here and has a responsibility on Earth and I still wouldn't be surprised or hold it against him if he wanted to lend a hand.

I really cannot agree with the line of logic of 'it's been done before, so it's okay'. I don't care that it's been done before. It doesn't make narrative sense to just throw him in now.

Bulma has been made aware and wants to go there, not sure where that's going, but it'd still be weird for Piccolo to get involved at any point in that. Is he meant to just show up and get on her ship? That comes across as incredibly forced. I see no reason why either would seek out the other right now, unless Dende is aware of what's going on and tells Piccolo, but that seems like a stretch with no set-up.

And I don't think Namek being the set up is reason enough for Piccolo to go. Not when he's aware that he's outclassed and has no real meaningful way to contribute. He doesn't get involved in the large scale conflicts anymore.

I don't get what you mean We have in-universe established methodes with which the characters could easily get to Namek should they want to, not to mention the incentive to want to get involved. It would all makes sense narratively while also neatly following in-universe logic, so I don't understand where your criticism is coming from. There are all sorts of ways this could go, from Dende knowing what's going on, to Bulma wanting to do something and bring Boo to Namek and Piccolo and Gohan go along for the ride. Countless ways this could happen and none of them wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination at all.

If there has ever been an arc in modern Dragon Ball that warranted Piccolo's presence, thematically speaking, it would be this. This is his race that's getting slaughtered, it's just common sense that he would want to do something. Your only reason for him being set aside is that he is way out of his league power-wise but at the same time so are Goku and Vegeta. They're up against someone whose ability can nullify power differences and it's a perfect opportunity to show off other skills aside from overpowering opponents. Nobody here is saying Piccolo should steal Goku and Vegeta's thunder.

Not saying anything with Piccolo will happen, just that the groundwork for it is perfectly laid, even if by accident.

[Gokitalo]

The assertion that Piccolo doesn't get involved in large-scale conflicts anymore isn't entirely true, though. It depends: Piccolo didn't fight Boo, for example, but he did take part in the fight against Freeza's forces in Resurrection F, as well as the Tournament of Power. He just picks his battles carefully, as Gohan suggested in the Freeza Saga.

It would definitely have been cool to see Piccolo appear in the Moro arc, just so his feelings about Namek in general could be explored. I'm not sure it's going to happen at this stage, but there was an opportunity for an emotional arc there. One wonders if Nail's feelings about his home also transferred to Piccolo when the latter absorbed him: either way, just seeing what kind of connection Piccolo feels toward Namek-- the place where he's from but has never lived in-- would have been interesting to see.

[SaiyanTarzan]

That would be laughable. They literally did the same thing with Nail (right down for being beaten & left for dead by the villain before Piccolo finds them), it would be a blatant retread just to give Piccolo a power up. And he's not even in this arc right now, nor does he have any reason to get involved.

I get why people want a power up for Piccolo (even if I disagree) but I have to say this would be one of the worst ways to go about it.

Pretty much this, I don't mind Piccolo getting stronger and even more relevant, he had a fair amount of screen time in the TOP but if Piccolo is going to get stronger it has to have a story reason that revolves around Piccolo. When he fused with Nail and Kami they were all set up in a point of crisis and built Piccolo's character at the same time, Piccolo fusing with some Namekians wouldn't feel right at this point in time and that's mostly because he doesn't have much connection with them.

There are ways to shortcut through all of that, especially for Piccolo, who does have a connection with what is happening simply by virtue of being a Namekian. You could just say he is doing it for Nail or something since I think it was confirmed that, while he didn't adopt any of Nail's personality traits, he does have his memories. Tsuburi could be made to be someone Nail knew.

Piccolo's involvement is really the easiest to write, but again, I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't so much as mentioned the whole arc. For now it would seem they are more interested in Vegeta's atonement and maybe that's the real reason the characters were sent to Namek in the first place.

Yeah that's what I mean, it's Vegeta who got the focus plus remember that last time the power boosts that Piccolo got always put him ahead of all the Z fighters. When piccolo fused with Nail he was the most powerful of the Z warriors, when he fused with Kami he again was ahead of everyone else. If he fuses with Tsuburi will he again be ahead of all the Z warriors? i'm not sure, if Piccolo had been brought there then i'd get it but right now Piccolo is chilling on earth and besides this whole arc seems more focused on Boo and the Kais and such.

[Michsi]

Yeah that's what I mean, it's Vegeta who got the focus plus remember that last time the power boosts that Piccolo got always put him ahead of all the Z fighters. When piccolo fused with Nail he was the most powerful of the Z warriors, when he fused with Kami he again was ahead of everyone else. If he fuses with Tsuburi will he again be ahead of all the Z warriors? i'm not sure, if Piccolo had been brought there then i'd get it but right now Piccolo is chilling on earth and besides this whole arc seems more focused on Boo and the Kais and such.

That only happened back when he was still in the same ballpark as Vegeta and Goku power-wise and those days a long gone. If fusing with one Namekian, albeit one that used the fusion himself a couple of times, will suddenly put him anywhere near Vegeta and Goku's level people will be angry. Look at all the eyebrows Android17 raised.

Yes, it seems Boo is more likely to make an appearance. That's what I meant by the groundwork for Piccolo having a role here might seem perfectly laid, but only by accident.

As I said, I'd love for him to be up there again with the main power-houses, but I'd like it more if it didn't happen through fusion.

[Son Dragon]

How close to the release date do manga spoilers usually appear?

[sintzu]

How close to the release date do manga spoilers usually appear?

V Jump releases on the 21st so any day now.

[Nokra]

Yeah that's what I mean, it's Vegeta who got the focus plus remember that last time the power boosts that Piccolo got always put him ahead of all the Z fighters. When piccolo fused with Nail he was the most powerful of the Z warriors, when he fused with Kami he again was ahead of everyone else. If he fuses with Tsuburi will he again be ahead of all the Z warriors? i'm not sure, if Piccolo had been brought there then i'd get it but right now Piccolo is chilling on earth and besides this whole arc seems more focused on Boo and the Kais and such.

That only happened back when he was still in the same ballpark as Vegeta and Goku power-wise and those days a long gone. If fusing with one Namekian, albeit one that used the fusion himself a couple of times, will suddenly put him anywhere near Vegeta and Goku's level people will be angry. Look at all the eyebrows Android17 raised.

Yes, it seems Boo is more likely to make an appearance. That's what I meant by the groundwork for Piccolo having a role here might seem perfectly laid, but only by accident.

As I said, I'd love for him to be up there again with the main power-houses, but I'd like it more if it didn't happen through fusion.

I don't understand how people could become angry with Piccolo getting a huge power boost by fusing with another namekian especially since thats how it worked before. Also, huge power boosts are common in dbs so it would be consistent with how everyone else gets stronger like 17. People should be use to it by now.

[Michsi]

Yeah that's what I mean, it's Vegeta who got the focus plus remember that last time the power boosts that Piccolo got always put him ahead of all the Z fighters. When piccolo fused with Nail he was the most powerful of the Z warriors, when he fused with Kami he again was ahead of everyone else. If he fuses with Tsuburi will he again be ahead of all the Z warriors? i'm not sure, if Piccolo had been brought there then i'd get it but right now Piccolo is chilling on earth and besides this whole arc seems more focused on Boo and the Kais and such.

That only happened back when he was still in the same ballpark as Vegeta and Goku power-wise and those days a long gone. If fusing with one Namekian, albeit one that used the fusion himself a couple of times, will suddenly put him anywhere near Vegeta and Goku's level people will be angry. Look at all the eyebrows Android17 raised.

Yes, it seems Boo is more likely to make an appearance. That's what I meant by the groundwork for Piccolo having a role here might seem perfectly laid, but only by accident.

As I said, I'd love for him to be up there again with the main power-houses, but I'd like it more if it didn't happen through fusion.

I don't understand how people could become angry with Piccolo getting a huge power boost by fusing with another namekian especially since thats how it worked before. Also, huge power boosts are common in dbs so it would be consistent with how everyone else gets stronger like 17. People should be use to it by now.

It's not the same thing. Back when a fusion would put Piccolo ahead of Goku and Vegeta he was only a level or so behind them. Now, he has not one, not two, not three, but five super-saiyan transformations worth of distance to jump over.
People still get a little angry over how little thought there was put into Android17 getting so strong. Yes, random weird power-ups happen in Super, but that's not a good thing.

[SaiyanTarzan]

That only happened back when he was still in the same ballpark as Vegeta and Goku power-wise and those days a long gone. If fusing with one Namekian, albeit one that used the fusion himself a couple of times, will suddenly put him anywhere near Vegeta and Goku's level people will be angry. Look at all the eyebrows Android17 raised.

Yes, it seems Boo is more likely to make an appearance. That's what I meant by the groundwork for Piccolo having a role here might seem perfectly laid, but only by accident.

As I said, I'd love for him to be up there again with the main power-houses, but I'd like it more if it didn't happen through fusion.

I don't understand how people could become angry with Piccolo getting a huge power boost by fusing with another namekian especially since thats how it worked before. Also, huge power boosts are common in dbs so it would be consistent with how everyone else gets stronger like 17. People should be use to it by now.

It's not the same thing. Back when a fusion would put Piccolo ahead of Goku and Vegeta he was only a level or so behind them. Now, he has not one, not two, not three, but five super-saiyan transformations worth of distance to jump over.
People still get a little angry over how little thought there was put into Android17 getting so strong. Yes, random weird power-ups happen in Super, but that's not a good thing.

Yeah see my issue is not with Piccolo getting a power boost but him getting involved this late in the story, what are we? 6 chapters in and there are no signs of him organically getting involved. Piccolo's two major boosts in DBZ happened because he had a personal stake, that is he wanted to go to Namek and fight Freeza, and with the Androids he had to fuse with his own personal nemesis Kami. See before those fusions he was already involved in the story in one form or another, if Piccolo were to be there much earlier then him fusing with the other Nameks wouldn't bother me much like 17 getting stronger by Super, sure it's a big boost but you can understand why a strong dude like him could get much stronger, same with Piccolo but my the issue is more to do with the fact that he wasn't even shown up. Funny thing is that New Namek in this Moro arc has been a missed opportunity to give Piccolo a larger attachment to his people.

[Nokra]

That only happened back when he was still in the same ballpark as Vegeta and Goku power-wise and those days a long gone. If fusing with one Namekian, albeit one that used the fusion himself a couple of times, will suddenly put him anywhere near Vegeta and Goku's level people will be angry. Look at all the eyebrows Android17 raised.

Yes, it seems Boo is more likely to make an appearance. That's what I meant by the groundwork for Piccolo having a role here might seem perfectly laid, but only by accident.

As I said, I'd love for him to be up there again with the main power-houses, but I'd like it more if it didn't happen through fusion.

I don't understand how people could become angry with Piccolo getting a huge power boost by fusing with another namekian especially since thats how it worked before. Also, huge power boosts are common in dbs so it would be consistent with how everyone else gets stronger like 17. People should be use to it by now.

It's not the same thing. Back when a fusion would put Piccolo ahead of Goku and Vegeta he was only a level or so behind them. Now, he has not one, not two, not three, but five super-saiyan transformations worth of distance to jump over.
People still get a little angry over how little thought there was put into Android17 getting so strong. Yes, random weird power-ups happen in Super, but that's not a good thing.

And 17 went from ss level to ssb level. Piccolo was shown to be able to defeat ss2 gohan so I still don't see what the problem with him fusing and getting a god level power up would be? Whether the power ups in dbs are good or bad is a different argument. I'm saying that Piccolo getting a power up would be consistent with how other characters have gotten buffed to be goku and vegeta's level (17, trunks, gohan, freeza).