As i said, durability isn't directly proportional to pl in gt. So, the fact that he tanked or not doesn't change anything. If we go by that Goku ssj4 and oozaru baby were on par as well, but baby tanked his kamehameha x10 too.Grand Marshal 1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:45 amGranted. Syn equals SSJ4 Goku. But please tell me the very simple reason as to why Syn wasn't annihilated by UFP Goku if the latter was indeed 10 times stronger. Because when Goku at max strength as a SSJ4 faced the equally stronger by ten times Omega, he was given hell.p-hyvo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:10 amThe point is this :Grand Marshal 1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:28 am
I am welcome to official data, but wasn't only Omega's power in comparison to Syn's what the Perfect Files described? I mean, we didn't get any other info from there regarding our topic. I agree on Omega being 10× Syn. The rest are up to debate. However, I clearly tried to explain it by using almost no headcannon here. It is only made up of feats and statements (plus what the Perfect Files described) with me only adding the number to UFP, which makes sense for everything else that happened.
So we got: Omega>>>>>UFP SSJ4 Goku (even after receiving his vision, which didn't change his power, but rather his combat effectiveness)=SSJ4 Goku & SSJ4 Vegeta (both at max strength with a healed Goku)>>Syn Shenron (full power)>=SSJ4 Goku (max strength, healed, however still incapable of inflict great damage to Syn so he sorted in using UFP instead)>>SSJ4 Goku (post Nuova fight, Syn Shenron fight, blind, but still at max strength)>=Nuova Shenron (as Vegeta fought again with Nuova and despite the latter holding back, Vegeta was very sure about facing him).
Each arrow means how many times stronger the one is compared to the other, meaning that 5 ">" mean 5 times stronger and 2 ">" two times stronger. If UFP Goku was equal to Omega, then with SSJ4 Vegeta arriving, they wouldn't be so desperate with fusion. They had no other option they said, that they had absolutely no chance. It is safe to say that Omega is definitely stronger than UFP Goku. All the statements while Goku was in UFP reveal that. "His power is beyond comparion, "I have gained an amazing power-up", "this new form will put me on the top of all Shadow Dragons" etc.
Omega was meant to be the endgame. No one would have the power to face him individually. Fusion was needed and then even more individuals (in an essence) to gather energy for the Spirit Bomb.
Lastly UFP appeared only once against Omega. He transformed to fight Syn, overpowering him (blindness didn't matter anymore as when becoming UFP he Gohan stated that Goku had regained his full strength) but then Syn turned into Omega and Goku continued the fight untill he regained his sight. As I said with his power restored, he was now using it more effectively. He didn't get stronger. By the time Vegeta arrived to the scene, Goku had lost his UFP form.
Goten said that he can't tell who's stronger between Goku ssj4fp and omega.
Gt perfect files tells that base ssj 4 = syn, and that omega = x10 syn
That can mean only that ssj4fp is x10 ssj4, there are no other interpretations and it's factual.
Goku was equal to omega until ssj4fp worked, then he got an energy drain and the transformation wore off.
Vegeta arrived and became ssj4 after all of that, and no matter what they got both stomped by the Dragon, forcing them to use the fusion in order to beat him.
Also, Goku got a zenkai between the fight with nuova and the one with syn/omega, he was cured.
Returning to say my thing :
Utilizing numbers (ssj is x2 so I don't have to type enormous numbers)
Goku ssj4, blind 800 (your strength is halved if you get blind)
Fpssj4 Goku, blind 8'000
Syn 6'000 (in fact he gets dominates by blind ssj4fp Goku and oneshots nuova)
Goku, healed /vegeta 3.75
Ssj4 Goku and vegeta 6'000
Omega 60'000/84'000 (gtpf tells that he's x10 syn, but in the anime omega tells that he's maybe more than 10 times stronger than before. Just use the x10 as initial omega , and the x14 for fp omega)
Goku ussj4fp 84'000 (equal to omega as goten said
And, if we want, I can add gogeta being anywhere from 120'000 to 1'152'000 following the perfect files
The blinding moment and the one against omega were different moments, Goku was weaker in the first and stronger in the second
Once again, the UFP part was the very same sequence. No zenkais or boosts in between. Goku had the same power in UFP in the beginning as he did when he reverted to regular SSJ4. He only got his vision back. It gave him no power increase. When he charged to turn into UFP, he was restored to max strength for SSJ4 (this is equal to Syn) but he wanted to keep going further to finish the enemy. Gohan clearly stated that Goku had fully recovered while becoming UFP. There was no extra power from re-attaining his eyesite nor was there a zenkai. These things aren't left unmentioned. Perhaps he even used one of those invisible Kaio Kens jk.
Not only would Goku be 10 times stronger, but he also fired a 10× Kamehameha towards Syn. Syn tanked a 10× while Goku was exhausted and a regular SSJ4. After he went full strength, he also got the UFP on top. This gave him nearly 4 times greater power than Syn, so a Kamehameha from Goku would be bad for Syn. It was. But if Goku was 10 times stronger, not even one particle from Syn would exist.
Damage resistance isn't corresponding to someone's power level, but no way would someone be able to take on an ultimate attack from someone who would be 10 times stronger, without getting almost blown away. This is the reason Syn survived.
Plus, by logic Goku got stronger from the fight with nuova, cause sub oneshotted nuova and Goku was said to be on par with him, while a few episodes prior he was strong as nuova or maybe a bit more.
When Goku got ssj4fp the firts time he was stronger than syn only because he was ssj4fp, and if you are blinded your strength is halved in db.
So, as I said prior, having syn = x4 nuova is perfect.
Nuova /Goku ssj4 = 1
Goku ssj4, blind = 0,5
Syn = 4
Goku, ssj4fp blind = 5
See?that works perfectly.
Plus, the definitive proof of ssj4fp being x10 ssj4, is just in the fact that, once healed, he was on par with omega, said to be 10+ times stronger than syn.