Fusion?

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 3:44 pm

I've got to questions in one here. The first is any easy one, who did Goku say he learned Fusion from? I'm sure he said who it was, but I can't remember. The dance only obviously.

Second one is debatable. How does fusion work? And we're talking about both Fusion methods for this one. What's your opinnion on how they boost the persons power? For me....

Fusion Dance: I've always figured it took the weaker persons power (since the stronger person has to lower their energy to match the others power) and multiplied it by some number... say 10 since Toriyama-sama seems to like nice round numbers. (Another way of saying it is it adds the two powers together and multiplies it by 5, it's the same thing.)

Potara: This one's a lot more... confusing. I mean, there's no way Base Goku + Base Vegeta x 10 = Stronger than Super Buu3. Otherwise SSJ3 Goku could have torn him apart, let alone Mystic Gohan. So... Maybe a hundred fold increase over their added powers? The Potara's are supposed to result in a more powerful fusion... But then, what about Kibeto and Shin fusing? Wouldn't his power be pretty damn high now too then?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 3:49 pm

Xyex wrote:I've got to questions in one here. The first is any easy one, who did Goku say he learned Fusion from? I'm sure he said who it was, but I can't remember. The dance only obviously.

Some people from the planet "Metamol" while he was in heaven.

Xyex wrote: Second one is debatable. How does fusion work? And we're talking about both Fusion methods for this one. What's your opinnion on how they boost the persons power? For me....

Dance: if performed properly it adds the strength of the fusors together, and turns the added mass of the "extra" body into a shitload of added energy/strength.

Potara: Same as fusion dance, but (this last part is proven) the more the two are rivals the more energy/strength is added.

Caracal · Post by **Caracal** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:29 pm

It raises the question - how strong would the Goku/Gohan have been if Goku and Gohan fused. I'd say Mystic is about as strong as SSJ3, so it would teachnically be two SSJ3's fusing. But they are father and son, so they're hardly rivals. Would their strength have topped Vegitto's?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 9:11 pm

I say as strong as Vegetto. Where rivalry is missing Mystic makes up the diff.

TGDweezl · Post by **TGDweezl** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:27 am

I think with the fusions race/blood is an added effect. Goten and Trunks made a full-blooded Saiya-jin which I think added to thier power. When Goku and Vegeta fused it made a Saiya-jin in its purest form (2 full-blooded) which might've been a nice power boost since Saiya-jins are so naturally strong. And if you add in their abilites and rigorous training that each endured it makes for one killer being. That's how I've seen Fusions as.

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:37 pm

Dayspring wrote:I say as strong as Vegetto. Where rivalry is missing Mystic makes up the diff.

Would fusing with "Mystic" Gohan unlock Goku's latent power, too? Or would the product of the fusion have the ability to turn Super Saiya-jin with Gohan's new base strength? ("Mystic" Gohan + Base Goku x 50 = !!!)

TGDweezl wrote:I think with the fusions race/blood is an added effect. Goten and Trunks made a full-blooded Saiya-jin which I think added to thier power.

Gotenks had streaks of purple hair in his normal form, so he couldn't have been a full-blooded Saiya-jin. I also don't see why it would increase their strength to fuse into a pure Saiya-jin.

TGDweezl wrote:When Goku and Vegeta fused it made a Saiya-jin in its purest form (2 full-blooded) which might've been a nice power boost since Saiya-jins are so naturally strong. And if you add in their abilites and rigorous training that each endured it makes for one killer being. That's how I've seen Fusions as.

Goku and Vegeta were already Saiya-jin in their purest form. Fusing together two full-blooded Saiya-jin wouldn't produce a guy who's 200% Saiya-jin -- the proportion of Saiya-jin blood would remain the same.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:06 pm

And compared to a lot of other alien races, Saiyans don't seem to be that strong at all.

If Mystic Gohan and Goku fused...would the fusion be able to turn Super Saiyan? Or would that actually weaken the fused person, as has been theorised would happen if Mystic Gohan turned Super Saiyan?

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:28 pm

Here's something I've always wondered. Even at the Buu saga, Vejiita wasnt nearly as tall as Goku. How did they manage to fuse? When Piccolo and Kurrirn practiced it they werent nearly close to the same height or power level, wich is why they didnt fuse.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:39 pm

Well, there's also the fact that Kuririn's a human and Piccolo's a Namekian. One of the rules of the fusion dance is that both people have to be of the same species.

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:44 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:Here's something I've always wondered. Even at the Buu saga, Vejiita wasnt nearly as tall as Goku. How did they manage to fuse? When Piccolo and Kurrirn practiced it they werent nearly close to the same height or power level, wich is why they didnt fuse.

It doesn't seem like it's necessary for characters to be roughly equal in height to use the Potara earrings. Kibito towered over Kaioshin, but they were able to fuse together using the earrings.

Goku did seem to think that he could fuse with Vegeta using the fusion dance, but that may not have worked if they had actually bothered trying it. Alternatively, maybe the difference in height can be half a meter or so without affecting the technique.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:51 pm

Oh, forgot about those handy earings...

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:58 pm

I got the impression that Kuririn and Piccolo didn't fuse mearly because they weren't perfectly exactly in sync. They tried it once, and Kuririn only half knew it. Granted, Goten and Trunks were kids, but it still took them a lot of practise to get things exactly right.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 7:57 pm

I think the height difference between Piccolo and Kuririn was just too big, not to mention Piccolo would need to supress his Ki waaaay down.

SpaceKappa · Post by **SpaceKappa** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:22 pm

Am I completely nuts, or didn't they say something about having to be the same race in order for Fusion to work correctly?

It's been a looooong time since I've read that chapter, so I may just be delusional.

TGDweezl · Post by **TGDweezl** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:33 pm

I thought it was same species and roughly same height were the requirements for a fusion dance to even be thought of being successful.

Post by **TripleRach** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:17 am

I don't recall anything about species being mentioned. There really wasn't any need to mention species, seeing as how the only people intended to fuse were Saiya-jin or half Saiya-jin. Gokuu seemed to think he could fuse with Gohan just fine, even though there is a bit of a racial difference between them.

IIRC, the fusing characters just had to be of similar height and strength.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:24 am

Didn't he only try fusing with Gohan using the Potara earring? I think the same species thing was only mentioned for the dance.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:29 am

Yes I believe it's mentioned that to successfully fuse using the dance, you just have to have two warriors that are around the same height, power level, and build.

Post by **TripleRach** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:34 am

Well, he'd only tried to fuse with Gohan using the Potara earrings. But when Gokuu first mentions Fusion to Piccolo and Dende, he says he'd wanted to try it with Gohan or Vegeta, but they're both dead, and then Popo brings up the boys, etc...

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