"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

[Rakurai]

Hold up, doesn't Xeno Gohan have Ultimate as a transformation, as in his absolute most power? Does this mean he's stacking SS4 on top of that or what?

I am not sure, but that is kind off contradictory. The Ultimate form is mean to bring forth the unleashed potential of the user, beyond his 100% (as SSJ3 would). However, SSJ4 also has the potential unlocking feature. I doubt that it is as great as the one from the ultimate form, but SSJ4 is also referred to as an "ultimate" form.

Ultimately (see what I did there ) I doubt that the two would be stacked together, but if Gohan somehow stacked them, we would get an Ultimate SSJ4 whose infinite potential would be evident by Gohan's fight, in which he should get inconceivably stronger by the second.

I doubt content creators nowadays actually pay attention to stuff that's only been described in reference material like the Daizenshuus or GT Perfect Files, such as SSJ4 being a form that draws the user's powers to its utmost limits. SSJ4 is just another transformation, just like Unlocking Potential is also another transformation (look what Toei did with Ultimate Gohan).

[Rakurai]

Super Saiyan 3 was also described in the same way as Super Saiyan 4 - drawing out all of a Saiyan's dormant power.

I don't put too much stock in those statements, and Gohan received ultimate before SS4 was ever a thing. He has more dormant power than either Goku or Vegeta, so it wouldn't make sense if his Ultimate state brought out more dormant power than those transformations - to reconcile those I'd have to say that his Ultimate state just means that he has all of his hypothetical SS3 power, and he'd still become stronger by being a SS4.

Ultimate Gohan essentially serves the function of SSJ3 Gohan at this point, except without the SSJ3 classification.

And by that logic, Ultimate Goten is the same and we're never going to get SSJ3 Goten. Sorry to break it to you folks.

[mahakaishin1991]

Super Saiyan 3 was also described in the same way as Super Saiyan 4 - drawing out all of a Saiyan's dormant power.

I don't put too much stock in those statements, and Gohan received ultimate before SS4 was ever a thing. He has more dormant power than either Goku or Vegeta, so it wouldn't make sense if his Ultimate state brought out more dormant power than those transformations - to reconcile those I'd have to say that his Ultimate state just means that he has all of his hypothetical SS3 power, and he'd still become stronger by being a SS4.

Ultimate Gohan essentially serves the function of SSJ3 Gohan at this point, except without the SSJ3 classification.

And by that logic, Ultimate Goten is the same and we're never going to get SSJ3 Goten. Sorry to break it to you folks.

Yeah but Xeno Gohan has both now so SS3 Goten could still happen

[Dark_Tzitzimine]

Since Broly gets a special variant of SSJ4 by stacking his Legendary Saiyan power on it, Xeno Gohan stacking Ultimate and SSJ4 is certainly a possibility.

[mahakaishin1991]

Since Broly gets a special variant of SSJ4 by stacking his Legendary Saiyan power on it, Xeno Gohan stacking Ultimate and SSJ4 is certainly a possibility.

Some of the games have dealt with this before if I'm correct. Didnt one of the GBA beat em ups have goku stack super saiyan and ultimate together in a what if?

[Dragotaker]

I don't think it really matters at this point honestly, at the end of the day the whole gist of the game is to collect all the different cards that come out every once in a while and asking yourself why Gohan would have SS3 if he already has Ultimate which is supossed to be stronger it's just that more cards to sell, not to mention i'm sure SS3 is a really popular form certainly not as much as SS4 but surely beats Ultimate where the user literally looks the same even if he is a lot stronger, so yeah anything could happen as they need new stuff for people to collect in the game, don't know how long is the time patrol going to be a thing though, once they beat Mechikabura they might just back to their timelines like they said they would after Chronoa sealed herself and that may not be too far off.

[Rakurai]

Yeah but Xeno Gohan has both now so SS3 Goten could still happen

LOL I forgot XGohan got that form. And that's literally his only SSJ transformation...

I mean, there's always the possibility that SSJ3 Gohan could actually be stronger than Ultimate Gohan. Just because Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Goku in the Buu Arc doesn't mean Ultimate > SSJ3 in general.

I don't think it really matters at this point honestly, at the end of the day the whole gist of the game is to collect all the different cards that come out every once in a while and asking yourself why Gohan would have SS3 if he already has Ultimate which is supossed to be stronger it's just that more cards to sell, not to mention i'm sure SS3 is a really popular form certainly not as much as SS4 but surely beats Ultimate where the user literally looks the same even if he is a lot stronger, so yeah anything could happen as they need new stuff for people to collect in the game, don't know how long is the time patrol going to be a thing though, once they beat Mechikabura they might just back to their timelines like they said they would after Chronoa sealed herself and that may not be too far off.

If I had to be honest, I'm far more interested in the Mechikaboola arc than the Universal whatever arc. The Time Patrol bring the best out of DB, which are transformations and world crossovers which cover basically anything and everything out of the entire DB franchise, from games to movies to the main series. They're definitely sticking around for as long as Heroes still exists.

[Saiga]

Yeah but Xeno Gohan has both now so SS3 Goten could still happen

LOL I forgot XGohan got that form. And that's literally his only SSJ transformation...

Yeah, I don't understand that at all. I find it weird that we never got SS1 XGoten/XGohan cards, because both of them got quite a number of cards in their base forms and we already know they can do that.

Gohan was the only one I wasn't sure about because he should have Ultimate (which he did get) and then they go and give him SS3 afterwards! But I assume that's just going to be like SS3 Trunks from the Prison Planet arc, just a what-if since it isn't their most powerful form.

[Bebi Hatchiyack]

For Goten I really want him to have a SSJ3 on his own as well as a SSJ4 same for Trunks for this last point. Do you think they will make Caulifla SSJ4 and Kale too ?

[Dark_Tzitzimine]

This year's popularity poll?

[Rakurai]

This year's popularity poll?

It's a voting poll for the characters displayed from 1-10.

"You decide the extra card! Dream card super voting!"

The left is the multiple choice for the aspects of the card like main character, special ability, passive ability, type, and parameters.

The winning character will be the featured on the card, while the 2nd and 3rd runner-ups will be on either side of it.

[mahakaishin1991]

This year's popularity poll?

Genuinely shocked bardock is below king vegeta in something

[Dark_Tzitzimine]

This year's popularity poll?

It's a voting poll for the characters displayed from 1-10.

"You decide the extra card! Dream card super voting!"

The left is the multiple choice for the aspects of the card like main character, special ability, passive ability, type, and parameters.

The winning character will be the featured on the card, while the 2nd and 3rd runner-ups will be on either side of it.

Ah, I see.

Well, I guess we can safely assume that UI Goku, FP Broly and Bluegeta will be the winners.

[Dragon Wukong]

This year's popularity poll?

It's a voting poll for the characters displayed from 1-10.

"You decide the extra card! Dream card super voting!"

The left is the multiple choice for the aspects of the card like main character, special ability, passive ability, type, and parameters.

The winning character will be the featured on the card, while the 2nd and 3rd runner-ups will be on either side of it.

Ah, I see.

Well, I guess we can safely assume that UI Goku, FP Broly and Bluegeta will be the winners.

I personally crave a UI Goku FP Broly art card. Whoever else is there would be a bonus.

[S3 Hendrix]

This year's popularity poll?

It's a voting poll for the characters displayed from 1-10.

"You decide the extra card! Dream card super voting!"

The left is the multiple choice for the aspects of the card like main character, special ability, passive ability, type, and parameters.

The winning character will be the featured on the card, while the 2nd and 3rd runner-ups will be on either side of it.

Ah, I see.

Well, I guess we can safely assume that UI Goku, FP Broly and Bluegeta will be the winners.

I wouldn’t be so sure, masked saiyan is very popular in japan

[Dark_Tzitzimine]

Sightly better look at the SSJ4 cards





Funny how V4 had brown hair on the UMV 5 and 7 cards but now he has black hair.

[Grimlock]

That's really cool, I wonder if the story will include it, and maybe have him obtain it for the first time (instead of XGoku/Vegeta having it before their first appearances).

It does seem Xeno Gohan might have a role in the story after all.

[Saiga]

Interesting! I feel like the SDBH can really start doing something new if they're going to utilize the what-if transformations in the story.

Now I want Xeno Oob and Xeno Pan to join the time patrol, with the rest of the cast it's pretty conspicuous not having them.

[Grimlock]

Xeno Gohan will appear in the UM8 trailer. Though Super Saiyan 4 is not the best transformation, I would like to see more images of Xeno Gohan as said form, GDM5 trailer didn't actually showed him very well.

Also, again, what's this? The leak from a month ago that I posted here did mention Vegeta getting something. Getting more curious about this.

Spoiler:

Now I want Xeno Oob and Xeno Pan to join the time patrol, with the rest of the cast it's pretty conspicuous not having them.

If I remember correctly, in XV1 it was revealed that Kaioshin of Time takes one's age into consideration. We last saw Uub and Pan as a teenager and pre-teen respectively. The youngest member of the Time Patrol is Xeno Goten, and since the members come from a point after Dragon Ball GT, Goten is at least 23. I don't really see them joining in, not without Heroes aging them up of course (which is more likely to happen than in Dragon Ball Super...).

[Dragotaker]

Are we having UVM going all the way to 10 like they do after they finish in 8 the one before or could we expect more??? because if my calculations are correct, by the time November comes whatever mission we are gonna have will be beyond 10, which means this years SS4 could appear in an entire different setting that we are right now.