Vic Mignogna

[Saiga]

This motherfucker is really taking this to court? What a waste of his money.

Well, there is the matter of the money that Rekieta raised for his legal fund. If that actually goes toward the legal bills (I'm honestly skeptical of how that's going to work) than he's wasting his fans' money.

It's utterly ridiculous in either case.

[gokaiblue]

For what it's worth, if you REALLY do want videos of Vic being creepy... Well, there's certainly plenty of that, though I suppose it's up to you whether or not it's enough to get him in hot water.

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"Creepy Happy Birthday Song" (no photo-shopping magic here...): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmtESdWgAzI

"Risenbool Ranger gets the "Happy Birthday" treatment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIw8UqOoWlI

"Call me Daddy" (he says after taking her phone without asking): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5escZnGCxrM&t=2m55s

"Soldier A" (Probably the worst of them all, considering how impromptu and shocking it seemed to be for the poor girl): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3FAaoHmcIY&t=30s

The second birthday video seems less sour of the moment and something that girl might have asked Vic to do (still creepy though). Also, the "Call me daddy," might be a quote from one of the characters he's played (the owner of the phone said something about a voice). The last one.....yeah there's no other explanation other than Vic being a creep.

[Paulo Gabriel]

Toei is not getting sue but it hurting there brand.

Rebuttal: no it isn't.

None of this impacts Toei one bit. It doesn't impact the Dragon Ball franchise in any significant way either. Dragon Ball is a worldwide-famous brand, and the overall number of people across the world who know or care who Vic Mignogna is, even in the context of "Dragon Ball fans," is minuscule. He's a voice actor who voiced one extremely minor character from one regional dub among many. He's just not that big a deal in the big picture.

This. So much this.

[Kamiccolo9]

He’s not a creep. Just because someone is overly affectionate doesn’t make them a creep. Now if you want a creep, you look at joe Biden.

Not really sure what the difference between their actions are. They’ve both gotten into trouble for being just a little too “affectionate” with people, and there’s video evidence of it for both of them. Of course, in Biden’s case, politicians in general have that problem, given that they’re always kissing babies and whatnot, even though they probably shouldn’t be.

A good rule of thumb in life is to not be “affectionate” with anyone. Seriously, don’t hug or kiss people, don't put your arm around someone while you’re taking a picture with them (in fact, don’t take pictures with them at all, you don’t know these people), and in most situations, don’t smile at them. This isn’t a joke by the way. I’m actually being sincere. These things can make people uncomfortable. Contrary to popular belief, humans are not inherently social creatures. Seriously, if I was a VA, I would never step foot in a con.

What vic footage, there is none. And Idgaf about making people uncomfortable. If they’re not interested in what she happening they can say no. I think we should push people out of their comfort zones nowadays, especially famous people. It’s way to milquetoast.

Grab 'em by the pussy, amirite?

[Soppa Saia People]

Elon Musk is a creep so if he is Pro Vic I certainly wouldn’t be surprised

No he’s a weeb. And don’t judge a person by how their face looks. We know that’s what you’re doing because that’s the only way you’d come to that conclusion.

no elon is a pretty well known weirdo dude lol. like if you have a billion dollars or whatever he has of course you are, but like you look at his twitter and it's like theres no way this dude isn't a huge creep.

Wait.....Mike Love of the Beach Boys did anime music?

lmao, like every anime ost is better than mike loves bb's anyway.

[Mooreish]

Not really sure what the difference between their actions are. They’ve both gotten into trouble for being just a little too “affectionate” with people, and there’s video evidence of it for both of them. Of course, in Biden’s case, politicians in general have that problem, given that they’re always kissing babies and whatnot, even though they probably shouldn’t be.

A good rule of thumb in life is to not be “affectionate” with anyone. Seriously, don’t hug or kiss people, don't put your arm around someone while you’re taking a picture with them (in fact, don’t take pictures with them at all, you don’t know these people), and in most situations, don’t smile at them. This isn’t a joke by the way. I’m actually being sincere. These things can make people uncomfortable. Contrary to popular belief, humans are not inherently social creatures. Seriously, if I was a VA, I would never step foot in a con.

What vic footage, there is none. And Idgaf about making people uncomfortable. If they’re not interested in what she happening they can say no. I think we should push people out of their comfort zones nowadays, especially famous people. It’s way to milquetoast.

Grab 'em by the pussy, amirite?

...I ain’t ready to go to bed so why are you BLANKETING ME!!!??? it’s just people are accused of the smallest things nowadays.

[JohnnyCashKami]

I'm pleased that the lawsuit has finally begun so facts and evidence will be used and shown, and if the victims really are victims then they need to show proof. Just because a bunch of people say they saw a flying pig in the sky I'm not going to believe them if they can't prove it, same applies here.

Anyway, the Twitter posts by the KickVic supporters will be used as evidence and it's too late if they try to delete it because it's been archived and even so, there are ways to recover it even after it's gone.

Let justice be served. I'm about facts and evidence and from what I've seen of the "victims" they didn't really show anything other than photoshopping stuff and hearsays.

[Mooreish]

I'm pleased that the lawsuit has finally begun so facts and evidence will be used and shown, and if the victims really are victims then they need to show proof. Just because a bunch of people say they saw a flying pig in the sky I'm not going to believe them if they can't prove it, same applies here.

Anyway, the Twitter posts by the KickVic supporters will be used as evidence and it's too late if they try to delete it because it's been archived and even so, there are ways to recover it even after it's gone.

Let justice be served. I'm about facts and evidence and from what I've seen of the "victims" they didn't really show anything other than photoshopping stuff and hearsays.

Exactly

[Captain Awesome]

Oh please fuck off with this “show us the receipts “ garbage.

Spare us the disingenuous pantomime. Neither of you idiots is interested in the truth, all you care about is the vindication of your favourite cartoon voice actor.

You are the fucking worst. Your abject lack of humanity makes my skin crawl.

[Fionordequester]

Oh please fuck off with this “show us the receipts “ garbage.

Spare us the disingenuous pantomime. Neither of you idiots is interested in the truth, all you care about is the vindication of your favourite cartoon voice actor.

You are the fucking worst. Your abject lack of humanity makes my skin crawl.

Ignore them; we've tried. They're not interested in actual conversation, anymore (if indeed, they ever were at all).

[WhowhoYouwho]

I frequently look at another forum that is looking at this in great detail, and one of their members linked to this book on Texas law meant to help the jury understand what is being discussed (https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth903011/). The book can be downloaded for free by clicking the big blue button right underneath the opening blurb explaining the book. Using that member's suggestions, and a little bit of looking myself, here is what (to my limited knowledge) seems the most relevant to this case based on Vic's plaintiff proposal:

PDF #s 289-298 (Non-PDF #s 249-258) Tortious Interference Chp 106
*Specifically look at "Tortious Interference with Existing Contracts" and "Tortious Interference with Prospective Business Relations"*

PDF #s 371-375 (Non-PDF #s 333-335) Civil Conspiracy Chp 109

PDF #s 377-414 (Non-PDF #s 337-374) Defamation Chp 110
*I'll try to understand all of this better with another reread, but this line gives me some hope my earlier explanation had at least some value to it.
"At common law, in a case against a nonmedia defendant not involving a matter of public concern, a private plaintiff has enjoyed a presumption of falsity."*

PDF #s 427-563 (Non-PDF #s 387-523) Damages Chp 115
*115.22, 115.37, and 115.38 should be looked at as said by Chp 106*
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I looked at Chp 103 due to it having “good faith” in the title and Chp 106 mentioning that, but that seems to be, unless in rare cases, dealing with "good faith" only in terms of an insurance company and those they insure.
I'll put the numbers to find it anyway if you're interested.

PDF #s 207-213 (Non-PDF #s 167-173) Good Faith and Fair Dealing Chp 103
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I also found some other stuff when searching the topic "Presumption of Falsity", though I admit I only lightly gleamed due to being sleepy at the moment:
https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/view ... ntext=wmlr (discusses the Plaintiff's burden in defamation, though it is from 1984 so it's potentially outdated on some things)

https://repository.law.miami.edu/cgi/vi ... ext=umiclr (discusses the differences between defamation law between England and the U.S., with Pg 22 (23 in PDF #s) being a section discussing Falsity specifically)

I'll try and make a little bullet point list showing findings from these at some point soon in what I hope is language that is understandable and accurate to the text itself. In the meantime, I hope this gives you something interesting to read that can help us all understand law a bit better for what is to come.

[jjgp1112]

He’s not a creep. Just because someone is overly affectionate doesn’t make them a creep. Now if you want a creep, you look at joe Biden.

Not really sure what the difference between their actions are. They’ve both gotten into trouble for being just a little too “affectionate” with people, and there’s video evidence of it for both of them. Of course, in Biden’s case, politicians in general have that problem, given that they’re always kissing babies and whatnot, even though they probably shouldn’t be.

A good rule of thumb in life is to not be “affectionate” with anyone. Seriously, don’t hug or kiss people, don't put your arm around someone while you’re taking a picture with them (in fact, don’t take pictures with them at all, you don’t know these people), and in most situations, don’t smile at them. This isn’t a joke by the way. I’m actually being sincere. These things can make people uncomfortable. Contrary to popular belief, humans are not inherently social creatures. Seriously, if I was a VA, I would never step foot in a con.

What vic footage, there is none. And Idgaf about making people uncomfortable. If they’re not interested in what she happening they can say no. I think we should push people out of their comfort zones nowadays, especially famous people. It’s way to milquetoast.

Um, wow, you sure did drop the pretenses of actually being pretty shitty haven't you?

[Polyphase Avatron]

I'm pleased that the lawsuit has finally begun so facts and evidence will be used and shown, and if the victims really are victims then they need to show proof. Just because a bunch of people say they saw a flying pig in the sky I'm not going to believe them if they can't prove it, same applies here.

Anyway, the Twitter posts by the KickVic supporters will be used as evidence and it's too late if they try to delete it because it's been archived and even so, there are ways to recover it even after it's gone.

Let justice be served. I'm about facts and evidence and from what I've seen of the "victims" they didn't really show anything other than photoshopping stuff and hearsays.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If people say that they saw a flying pig, they wouldn't be believed because such things don't exist, as far as we know. But guys being creepy and harassing women certainly do exist, and it's incredibly common.

A better analogy would be if all of those people said that they saw a normal pig, in an area close to many pig farms.

[Paulo Gabriel]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Fact.

[Cursed Lemon]

It kind of seems like Mignogna is destined to win this this lawsuit. How are the defendants supposed to prove that he did what he was accused of? How do you prove someone committed sexual assault or harassment?

Uh, that's exactly why he's either destined to lose the case or settle it.

Then again, the more I think about it, this case is being tried in Texas. If a state exists that would criminalize calling people out on sexual misconduct in favor of muh capitalism, it would be 97%-flyover-country Texas.

[Fionordequester]

Then again, the more I think about it, this case is being tried in Texas. If a state exists that would criminalize calling people out on sexual misconduct in favor of muh capitalism, it would be 97%-flyover-country Texas.

You know, if it was someone more important, like the CEO of some major oil company, than maybe... But as far as the judge is gonna see, it's some dude who does voices for cartoon characters. I imagine he'll be meeting a very different audience than the 16-24 year old boys and girls he's used to seeing.

EDIT: Besides, "conservative" =/= "sexist". My dad's pretty strongly conservative, to the point where Rush Limbaugh and FOX News are some of the things he likes listening to most...

But he always errs on the side of believing any and all sexual misconduct claims he hears, especially when it comes to rich and famous men. He'd rule in Monica's favor in a heart beat.

[Kinokima]

It kind of seems like Mignogna is destined to win this this lawsuit. How are the defendants supposed to prove that he did what he was accused of? How do you prove someone committed sexual assault or harassment?

Uh, that's exactly why he's either destined to lose the case or settle it.

Then again, the more I think about it, this case is being tried in Texas. If a state exists that would criminalize calling people out on sexual misconduct in favor of muh capitalism, it would be 97%-flyover-country Texas.

Yeah I don’t really want to make a prediction either way. In the end the people who think the courts will tell them the “truth” are naive. External factors like the area of the court, the judge, the jury all will play a role.

[Gokuisasuperhero]

It kind of seems like Mignogna is destined to win this this lawsuit. How are the defendants supposed to prove that he did what he was accused of? How do you prove someone committed sexual assault or harassment?

Uh, that's exactly why he's either destined to lose the case or settle it.

Then again, the more I think about it, this case is being tried in Texas. If a state exists that would criminalize calling people out on sexual misconduct in favor of muh capitalism, it would be 97%-flyover-country Texas.

Yeah I don’t really want to make a prediction either way. In the end the people who think the courts will tell them the “truth” are naive. External factors like the area of the court, the judge, the jury all will play a role.

That have too. If that lie under oath you go to jail it very sample.

[Gokuisasuperhero]

This motherfucker is really taking this to court? What a waste of his money.

Well, there is the matter of the money that Rekieta raised for his legal fund. If that actually goes toward the legal bills (I'm honestly skeptical of how that's going to work) than he's wasting his fans' money.

It's utterly ridiculous in either case.

Rekieta already said how it works it will go into a trust account and from there only Vic lawyers will be able to torch it. It going kind of be like what you would do for collage for aid. The college money go right to the collage and paid like that. Any money not used that still left over will be denote to Vic charity choice. But to be fair it only a waste of money if Vic loses.

[Kinokima]

Uh, that's exactly why he's either destined to lose the case or settle it.

Then again, the more I think about it, this case is being tried in Texas. If a state exists that would criminalize calling people out on sexual misconduct in favor of muh capitalism, it would be 97%-flyover-country Texas.

Yeah I don’t really want to make a prediction either way. In the end the people who think the courts will tell them the “truth” are naive. External factors like the area of the court, the judge, the jury all will play a role.

That have too. If that lie under oath you go to jail it very sample.

I don’t think you comprehend what I am saying.

For the record I don’t need a jury or judge to tell me Vic is guilty. I know he is. So the verdict is not going to change my mind either way.

It’s not just the recent stories it’s all the stories I have heard over the many years I’ve been an anime fan.

Yes some stories may be fake but definitely not all of them.