"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

[Dark_Tzitzimine]

By the way, the URs and CPs for UMV8 are now on the site. I'm just going by Google Translate, but Gohan Xeno sound pretty good.

[Dragon Wukong]

So Xeno Gohan is now aparently stronger than both Goku and Vegeta in SS4??? because now the big match is him vs Mechikabura which is crazy just before this mission Gohan was just the same as Goten in being completely irrelevant and made you question why was he even there in the first place and now out of the sudden he is the main hero, and since Robelu can now spam Blutz Waves out of nowhere what is stopping her from doing the same to Trunks and Goten??? and before you reference the comment about how they were born withouth tails from Toriyama, you already know that's completely irrelevant and at least Trunks will most definetly get the form eventually so it's a moot point.

Consider that Gohan in the Super manga is strong enough to fight Kefla, a potara fusion (where her Kale was stronger than Golden Frieza in said adaptation) so I'm not surprised they gave him a powerful role.

[Noitsnothim]

So Xeno Gohan is now aparently stronger than both Goku and Vegeta in SS4??? because now the big match is him vs Mechikabura which is crazy just before this mission Gohan was just the same as Goten in being completely irrelevant and made you question why was he even there in the first place and now out of the sudden he is the main hero, and since Robelu can now spam Blutz Waves out of nowhere what is stopping her from doing the same to Trunks and Goten??? and before you reference the comment about how they were born withouth tails from Toriyama, you already know that's completely irrelevant and at least Trunks will most definetly get the form eventually so it's a moot point.

Consider that Gohan in the Super manga is strong enough to fight Kefla, a potara fusion (where her Kale was stronger than Golden Frieza in said adaptation) so I'm not surprised they gave him a powerful role.

Um...Where was it said that Kale was stronger than Golden Freeza? He simply caught off guard and the damage he took wasn't crazy or as big of deal enough to beat him outta Golden

[Rakurai]

So Xeno Gohan is now aparently stronger than both Goku and Vegeta in SS4??? because now the big match is him vs Mechikabura which is crazy just before this mission Gohan was just the same as Goten in being completely irrelevant and made you question why was he even there in the first place and now out of the sudden he is the main hero, and since Robelu can now spam Blutz Waves out of nowhere what is stopping her from doing the same to Trunks and Goten??? and before you reference the comment about how they were born withouth tails from Toriyama, you already know that's completely irrelevant and at least Trunks will most definetly get the form eventually so it's a moot point.

Where did it say that the big match is SSJ4 XGohan vs. Mechikaboola? All the latest trailer said is: "Dark King Mechikaboola vs. Super Saiyan 4 Fierce Battle, Begin." Which could be Mechikaboola vs. SSJ4 Xeno gang, not just XGohan.

And while it's possible Roberu can generate Blutz waves by herself (assuming she doesn't have a device that does it herself like the Shirogame, which could very well be possible too), there may be restrictions like she can only generate enough for one SSJ4 and XGohan is the next strongest fighter after XGoku/Vegeta. Or she's doing the bare minimum to thwart Mechikaboola's goals. Remember the Time Patrol and Demigra are only in a temporary truce, it would be stupid to give your future-would-be opponents more power than necessary.

Um...Where was it said that Kale was stronger than Golden Freeza? He simply caught off guard and the damage he took wasn't crazy or as big of deal enough to beat him outta Golden

She did more than just catch him off-guard, she also walked up to him and smacked him aside, she broke through CSSB Goku's guard and casually knocked away Toppo and CSSB Vegeta (before you say she caught them off-guard, no she didn't, they noticed her she caught them plus when CSSB Vegeta tried to catch Toppo off-guard, he blocked well whereas against Kale he almost got ringed out). There's evidence to suggest that at her peak or controlled output, she can match if not overwhelm those level of fighters. And Kefla = Caulifla's battle sense + Kale's power, Caulifla's power contribution is essentially negligible.

[Dragotaker]

So Xeno Gohan is now aparently stronger than both Goku and Vegeta in SS4??? because now the big match is him vs Mechikabura which is crazy just before this mission Gohan was just the same as Goten in being completely irrelevant and made you question why was he even there in the first place and now out of the sudden he is the main hero, and since Robelu can now spam Blutz Waves out of nowhere what is stopping her from doing the same to Trunks and Goten??? and before you reference the comment about how they were born withouth tails from Toriyama, you already know that's completely irrelevant and at least Trunks will most definetly get the form eventually so it's a moot point.

Where did it say that the big match is SSJ4 XGohan vs. Mechikaboola? All the latest trailer said is: "Dark King Mechikaboola vs. Super Saiyan 4 Fierce Battle, Begin." Which could be Mechikaboola vs. SSJ4 Xeno gang, not just XGohan.

And while it's possible Roberu can generate Blutz waves by herself (assuming she doesn't have a device that does it herself like the Shirogame, which could very well be possible too), there may be restrictions like she can only generate enough for one SSJ4 and XGohan is the next strongest fighter after XGoku/Vegeta. Or she's doing the bare minimum to thwart Mechikaboola's goals. Remember the Time Patrol and Demigra are only in a temporary truce, it would be stupid to give your future-would-be opponents more power than necessary.

Well i don't know japanese so i couldn't tell anything other than Gohan and Mechikabura's face on the video, this is gonna sound weird but i hope Mechikabura kick's their butts, if anything just for the whole thing not to end yet and hopefully making the Xeno's use something different to counterattack.

[Noitsnothim]

So Xeno Gohan is now aparently stronger than both Goku and Vegeta in SS4??? because now the big match is him vs Mechikabura which is crazy just before this mission Gohan was just the same as Goten in being completely irrelevant and made you question why was he even there in the first place and now out of the sudden he is the main hero, and since Robelu can now spam Blutz Waves out of nowhere what is stopping her from doing the same to Trunks and Goten??? and before you reference the comment about how they were born withouth tails from Toriyama, you already know that's completely irrelevant and at least Trunks will most definetly get the form eventually so it's a moot point.

Where did it say that the big match is SSJ4 XGohan vs. Mechikaboola? All the latest trailer said is: "Dark King Mechikaboola vs. Super Saiyan 4 Fierce Battle, Begin." Which could be Mechikaboola vs. SSJ4 Xeno gang, not just XGohan.

And while it's possible Roberu can generate Blutz waves by herself (assuming she doesn't have a device that does it herself like the Shirogame, which could very well be possible too), there may be restrictions like she can only generate enough for one SSJ4 and XGohan is the next strongest fighter after XGoku/Vegeta. Or she's doing the bare minimum to thwart Mechikaboola's goals. Remember the Time Patrol and Demigra are only in a temporary truce, it would be stupid to give your future-would-be opponents more power than necessary.

Um...Where was it said that Kale was stronger than Golden Freeza? He simply caught off guard and the damage he took wasn't crazy or as big of deal enough to beat him outta Golden

She did more than just catch him off-guard, she also walked up to him and smacked him aside, she broke through CSSB Goku's guard and casually knocked away Toppo and CSSB Vegeta (before you say she caught them off-guard, no she didn't, they noticed her she caught them plus when CSSB Vegeta tried to catch Toppo off-guard, he blocked well whereas against Kale he almost got ringed out). There's evidence to suggest that at her peak or controlled output, she can match if not overwhelm those level of fighters. And Kefla = Caulifla's battle sense + Kale's power, Caulifla's power contribution is essentially negligible.

so you're saying Gohan is AT LEAST Stronger than Golden Freeza and yes she did catch freeza off guard the first go around and even with her power increasing wasn't enough to knock him outta Golden

the power scailing order is: Goku>Vegeta>Broly>Gohan>Freeza>Boo ?

[Rakurai]

Well i don't know japanese so i couldn't tell anything other than Gohan and Mechikabura's face on the video, this is gonna sound weird but i hope Mechikabura kick's their butts, if anything just for the whole thing not to end yet and hopefully making the Xeno's use something different to counterattack.

Fair enough, just rewatched the trailer again and saw their faces next to the tagline.

"Dark King Mechikaboola vs. Super Saiyan 4 Fierce Battle, Beginning." (The last word is a noun, not a verb, my bad with the previous translation.)

Yeah I hope Mechikaboola also beat the Time Patrol and Demigra so badly they have no choice but to scarper with their tails and ears in a bunch, but at least save the Kaioshin of Time. Demigra did say that they need the Kaioshin of Time to beat Mechikaboola.

so you're saying Gohan is AT LEAST Stronger than Golden Freeza and yes she did catch freeza off guard the first go around and even with her power increasing wasn't enough to knock him outta Golden

the power scailing order is: Goku>Vegeta>Broly>Gohan>Freeza>Boo ?

What does her knocking him out of Golden matter? So because Jiren didn't knock Goku out of CSSB before, Goku was caught off-guard? That's not an indication of anything.

Kale also literally walked up to Golden Freeza and backhanded him. Goku also went CSSB to stop her punch. Kale also broke through CSSB Goku's guard.

I'm not saying Ultimate Gohan > Golden Freeza, but he's at least on par with Golden Freeza since he could tango with Kefla. Anyways this isn't the right thread for this, we can take this to the manga thread if you want to continue.

[Rakurai]

So it seems that GT Gogeta breaks out of Fin's absorption. Could be a case of Gohan not being strong enough to beat Dark Gogeta, but simply stalling until Gogeta frees himself.

Forgot to mention, the trailer narrator does say that Fin's deformation is released and Gogeta's counterattack is about to begin. So Gogeta is definitely gonna have an active role here. Still hard to say what though.

I also dig the look of this deformed Dark Gogeta, reminds me of Vanitas from Kingdom Hearts with his face just coming out of the armor.

(Inb4 GT Gogeta was in control all along and he was just testing his power out on these coat-wearing, shady-looking doppelgangers.)

[Grimlock]

I always thought of SSJ4 GT Gohan as a possible what-if, just like XGohan is a what-if based on the events of GT.

Maybe that's the divergence point between GT Gohan and Xeno Gohan. Xeno comes from a point/timeline where he never managed to achieve SSJ4 while GT Gohan eventually did it.

Could be one of these. But then again, I don't really consider the God Mission series to be an actual, full-fledged story, so up until that point, everything Heroes gave to characters was simply the purest what-if, not tied to anything. When I said Xeno Gohan might not be GT Gohan, I was referring to GT Gohan from the game itself (the one the cards label as "GT Gohan"), not the one from (a point after) Dragon Ball GT.

Hopefully I managed to explain myself clearly, because I can see why this may be confusing to some.

[Saiga]

Logically I would think the Xeno characters came from timelines that the Time Breakers have never messed with (or it's a chicken and egg scenario). So the GT Gohan who became SS4 in god mission, if that's part of the story, is a different timeline than whoever the hell XGohan is (I don't think he necessarily comes from GT, because I don't think all the Xeno characters come from the same timeline).

[Noitsnothim]

Well i don't know japanese so i couldn't tell anything other than Gohan and Mechikabura's face on the video, this is gonna sound weird but i hope Mechikabura kick's their butts, if anything just for the whole thing not to end yet and hopefully making the Xeno's use something different to counterattack.

Fair enough, just rewatched the trailer again and saw their faces next to the tagline.

"Dark King Mechikaboola vs. Super Saiyan 4 Fierce Battle, Beginning." (The last word is a noun, not a verb, my bad with the previous translation.)

Yeah I hope Mechikaboola also beat the Time Patrol and Demigra so badly they have no choice but to scarper with their tails and ears in a bunch, but at least save the Kaioshin of Time. Demigra did say that they need the Kaioshin of Time to beat Mechikaboola.

so you're saying Gohan is AT LEAST Stronger than Golden Freeza and yes she did catch freeza off guard the first go around and even with her power increasing wasn't enough to knock him outta Golden

the power scailing order is: Goku>Vegeta>Broly>Gohan>Freeza>Boo ?

What does her knocking him out of Golden matter? So because Jiren didn't knock Goku out of CSSB before, Goku was caught off-guard? That's not an indication of anything.

Kale also literally walked up to Golden Freeza and backhanded him. Goku also went CSSB to stop her punch. Kale also broke through CSSB Goku's guard.

I'm not saying Ultimate Gohan > Golden Freeza, but he's at least on par with Golden Freeza since he could tango with Kefla. Anyways this isn't the right thread for this, we can take this to the manga thread if you want to continue.

this all comes back to the problem of separate continuities for 'SUPER'

[Grand Marshal 1]

Guys, I have been trying to get some info on "Dark Gogeta" as you say, but I have foumd nothing. Could you send me an image of him? Or is he just a fan-made term?

[SSJgogeto]

Guys, I have been trying to get some info on "Dark Gogeta" as you say, but I have foumd nothing. Could you send me an image of him?

Here:

[Grand Marshal 1]

Guys, I have been trying to get some info on "Dark Gogeta" as you say, but I have foumd nothing. Could you send me an image of him?

Here:

Wait, the guy that people refer to as "Finn" (I think?) Is Dark Gogeta? Why though?

[mahakaishin1991]

Guys, I have been trying to get some info on "Dark Gogeta" as you say, but I have foumd nothing. Could you send me an image of him?

Here:

Wait, the guy that people refer to as "Finn" (I think?) Is Dark Gogeta? Why though?

Finn is a majin, he absorbs Gogeta and then becomes a 'Dark' Gogeta in game. It's like the whole 'Buuhan' thing

[Grand Marshal 1]

Here:

Wait, the guy that people refer to as "Finn" (I think?) Is Dark Gogeta? Why though?

Finn is a majin, he absorbs Gogeta and then becomes a 'Dark' Gogeta in game. It's like the whole 'Buuhan' thing

Interesting. So this guy is a Majin, just like Buu (more so Kid Buu) and absorbs one of the most powerful individuals in the timeline? Wow, this is overpowered. And Gohan as a SSJ4 is supposed to face that thing? Unless he fuses with someone extremely powerful or gets help from like 100 people, he won't do a thing...

I guess that Gogeta will eventually defuse causing for a decrease in power, or he will decide to exit Fin's body.

[Dark_Tzitzimine]

Going by the PV for UMV8, the latter is happening and Gogeta will break free.

[Grand Marshal 1]

Going by the PV for UMV8, the latter is happening and Gogeta will break free.

Also, is it me, or is Omega missing from the picture?

[Dark_Tzitzimine]

Yeah the guy just vanished into thin air. So either Fin took him out or we're due for an Über Omega card.

[mahakaishin1991]

Yeah the guy just vanished into thin air. So either Fin took him out or we're due for an Über Omega card.

Dark Demon God Omega shenron, dark dragon ball absorbed electric boogaloo: Xeno for future release, calling it now