Vic Mignogna

[BlackJacket]

What truly puzzles me about this is that a lot of the people that are defending Vic seemed to have forgotten, or are completely oblivious to the fact that his behavior at cons i.e being rude to staff, sexual assault, etc. has been going on for at least a decade.

It's like most of these people have just turned a blind eye to it. I mean surely something must be up if there are accusations of this stuff that have been going back for 10 years? Doesn't this actually say something about his character as a person? How do people ignore this?

[Akamay]

If any previous internet dramas show any trends, one very common is to see everyone involved in controversies eventually doing something to disgrace themselves to the internet.
The people that stayed with GamerGate, for example. A bunch of them were saying that feminists were unreasonable and that they couldn't take criticisms as they were issuing DMCAs against them. Now you have those same guys issuing their own DMCAs and people publically humiliating them for any of their political movements.
I wouldn't doubt that the "trolls" that are attacking the victims along with Rikieta will eventually turn on him the moment he screws something up.

That being said, I feel like the whole "Kick Vic" movement took the wrong approach for this whole mess. They went forward with the idea that companies and conventions should drop him instead of confronting Vic directly, calling him out on his actions after the accusations became more common. I feel like this is what made people that support Vic try to attack the victims saying that they were only doing this for attention.

If people were asking Vic to voluntarily drop his public appearances and roles, the "Kick Vic" movement would probably not be attacked as fiercely as it was. That way, if he refused, it would've been worse for him. But since people went to higherups and got him to be dropped, they were able to pull the victim card on Vic saying that he had opportunities denied from him thanks to public outrage.

Dunno if this makes any sense?

[KBABZ]

This is so you people, all of this is nothing more than gossip, why do we have to know about personal matters between family or friends? it used to be that that was handled between the family or friends but no, something happens ya gotta put it on Instagram or Twitter. "Like oh my gosh like did you see twitter today like my favorite voice actor is like messed up like ya". That's all this is, a person makes a private matter public and people jump on it like wolves, I don't care what Vic has done or not done it's not my place to talk about it and neither it's anyone else's who doesn't personally know the man or his circle

I mean... sure? Thing is, this doesn't involve family or friends at ALL, and in the case of Jim Cummings, it goes beyond the "between family" barrier. In my opinion, a respected individual actually being a disgraceful human being (beyond just being an asshole) is newsworthy because that kind of behaviour and attitude is NOT acceptable. And when you become a public figure, the onus is on you to clean up your act and refine yourself as a person (see: James Gunn).

The best thing you can do as a human being is ignore all of this and not put any mind into what happens with voice actors, especially if it's a "twitter" affair.

So wait, you're saying that "So long as they don't post it to Twitter, they can do whatever they want to other people as far as I'm concerned". That's INCREDIBLY fucked up, man.

The fact of the matter is that Twitter is a major platform for online communication now, so to downplay Vic's behaviour just because most of the discussion about it happens over Twitter is to SERIOUSLY undervalue the impact of his horrible actions, to the point of completely disregarding it altogether. It should be patently obvious, but I'd PREFER if Vic never did what he did (does?). But you can't shy away and put your fingers in your ears just to maintain your perfect little bubble concerning a voice actor you like.

[JulieYBM]

The abolition of slavery, Woman's Suffrage, the New Deal, the Great Society and the Civil Rights Act were as they were because of real actions, and not just 'yelling at Twitter'. In some of these cases, people took guns to do their moviments.
Also, about the New Deal, it's not a consensus that was a good thing for the economy.


Anyway, as I've commented before, at least until now, it seems that Vic's voice acting career is not over in Los Angeles, but only in Texas until now. We'll see if it's happening when the dub for the new Bungou Stray Dogs season will be released. If they kept Vic on the cast, then his voice acting career will not be over yet.

Loudly protesting in the public square gets shit rolling. Downplaying the similarity to the social justice movements of yonder is beyond silly. We're dragging the Overton Window back to the left where it belongs and that's a great first step. We're civilized folk who don't yet need to jump to offensive violence because our side is steeped in the principled belief that sexual assault is wrong.

If any previous internet dramas show any trends, one very common is to see everyone involved in controversies eventually doing something to disgrace themselves to the internet.
The people that stayed with GamerGate, for example. A bunch of them were saying that feminists were unreasonable and that they couldn't take criticisms as they were issuing DMCAs against them. Now you have those same guys issuing their own DMCAs and people publically humiliating them for any of their political movements.
I wouldn't doubt that the "trolls" that are attacking the victims along with Rikieta will eventually turn on him the moment he screws something up.

That being said, I feel like the whole "Kick Vic" movement took the wrong approach for this whole mess. They went forward with the idea that companies and conventions should drop him instead of confronting Vic directly, calling him out on his actions after the accusations became more common. I feel like this is what made people that support Vic try to attack the victims saying that they were only doing this for attention.

If people were asking Vic to voluntarily drop his public appearances and roles, the "Kick Vic" movement would probably not be attacked as fiercely as it was. That way, if he refused, it would've been worse for him. But since people went to higherups and got him to be dropped, they were able to pull the victim card on Vic saying that he had opportunities denied from him thanks to public outrage.

Dunno if this makes any sense?

The onus is not upon the victims to handle their victimize and the multi-million dollar corporations with kid gloves. The victims' only weapon at this point is to take the fight into the open--where it ought to be--because community involvement is what solves societal woes. That right-wing goons decided to hop onto Mic Vignogna's side to stick it to the girls and Ess-Jay-Double-Yous is on them, not the victims of a fucking proven predator.

[Akamay]

The onus is not upon the victims to handle their victimize and the multi-million dollar corporations with kid gloves. The victims' only weapon at this point is to take the fight into the open--where it ought to be--because community involvement is what solves societal woes. That right-wing goons decided to hop onto Mic Vignogna's side to stick it to the girls and Ess-Jay-Double-Yous is on them, not the victims of a fucking proven predator.

Fair enough. You can't reasonably expect people to predict how people will react to anything.

At least it's quite certain that those people that are involved just for the sake of "being outraged at an outrage" will eventually contradict themselves.

[SaintEvolution]

The abolition of slavery, Woman's Suffrage, the New Deal, the Great Society and the Civil Rights Act were as they were because of real actions, and not just 'yelling at Twitter'. In some of these cases, people took guns to do their moviments.
Also, about the New Deal, it's not a consensus that was a good thing for the economy.


Anyway, as I've commented before, at least until now, it seems that Vic's voice acting career is not over in Los Angeles, but only in Texas until now. We'll see if it's happening when the dub for the new Bungou Stray Dogs season will be released. If they kept Vic on the cast, then his voice acting career will not be over yet.

Loudly protesting in the public square gets shit rolling. Downplaying the similarity to the social justice movements of yonder is beyond silly. We're dragging the Overton Window back to the left where it belongs and that's a great first step. We're civilized folk who don't yet need to jump to offensive violence because our side is steeped in the principled belief that sexual assault is wrong.

The Overton Window belongs to the center, not to the left or the right. And, in the real world, the world of the real middle-working class, the Overton Window is far from the left now. When Trump got re-elected in 2020, blame yourself, because your behavior will cause this disgrace... again.

Sexual assault IS WRONG, and Vic needs to be punished about it proportionaly. But the way you and others are taking the situation is exactly what causes so many people to defend him. Again, good luck on your crusade, but when it fails, do not blame me, blame yourself.

[JulieYBM]

The abolition of slavery, Woman's Suffrage, the New Deal, the Great Society and the Civil Rights Act were as they were because of real actions, and not just 'yelling at Twitter'. In some of these cases, people took guns to do their moviments.
Also, about the New Deal, it's not a consensus that was a good thing for the economy.


Anyway, as I've commented before, at least until now, it seems that Vic's voice acting career is not over in Los Angeles, but only in Texas until now. We'll see if it's happening when the dub for the new Bungou Stray Dogs season will be released. If they kept Vic on the cast, then his voice acting career will not be over yet.

Loudly protesting in the public square gets shit rolling. Downplaying the similarity to the social justice movements of yonder is beyond silly. We're dragging the Overton Window back to the left where it belongs and that's a great first step. We're civilized folk who don't yet need to jump to offensive violence because our side is steeped in the principled belief that sexual assault is wrong.

The Overton Window belongs to the center, not to the left or the right. And, in the real world, the world of the real middle-working class, the Overton Window is far from the left now. When Trump got re-elected in 2020, blame yourself, because your behavior will cause this disgrace... again.

Sexual assault IS WRONG, and Vic needs to be punished about it proportionaly. But the way you and others are taking the situation is exactly what causes so many people to defend him. Again, good luck on your crusade, but when it fails, do not blame me, blame yourself.

Sugar, you can keep phrasing what you're arguing in the most milquetoast, centrist-y garbage way you have been but nobody's going to fail to read between the lines of what you're saying: "Victims of sexual assault and the culture of toxic masculinity don't deserve to fight their battle in the open."

Honestly, if I wasn't adding you to my block list after finishing this post I'd dare you to just stop beating around the bush and use blunt, terse and otherwise straightforward sentences.


*Practicing feminine ticks, not being condescending when I say 'sugar'.

[Shaddy]

This is the exact same mentality that brings us such enlightened and glorious conclusions as "pointing out racism is the REAL racism" and "they're not white fascists if they say it's ironic".

[SaintEvolution]

Sugar, you can keep phrasing what you're arguing in the most milquetoast, centrist-y garbage way you have been but nobody's going to fail to read between the lines of what you're saying: "Victims of sexual assault and the culture of toxic masculinity don't deserve to fight their battle in the open."

Honestly, if I wasn't adding you to my block list after finishing this post I'd dare you to just stop beating around the bush and use blunt, terse and otherwise straightforward sentences.


*Practicing feminine ticks, not being condescending when I say 'sugar'.

Yeah, so do that, you are free to do it. Distort what I said and block me, instead of using real rhetoric and arguments. Call it "centrist-y-garbage" instead of really desconstruct it. That actually proves my point. Good luck when you'll not achieve your political targets, because with this arrogant behavior, you'll won't. Outside of internet bubbles, people will not take you seriously.

Good luck.

This is the exact same mentality that brings us such enlightened and glorious conclusions as "pointing out racism is the REAL racism" and "they're not white fascists if they say it's ironic".

No, it's not, and you are distorting things.

Vic still has a lot of supporters out there, and not taking conscious of this is one of the KickVic moviment's problems.
This topic became a bubble. That is easy to see.

If you want to persist in this kind of approaching for the situation, good for you. I'm out.

That being said, I feel like the whole "Kick Vic" movement took the wrong approach for this whole mess. They went forward with the idea that companies and conventions should drop him instead of confronting Vic directly, calling him out on his actions after the accusations became more common. I feel like this is what made people that support Vic try to attack the victims saying that they were only doing this for attention.

If people were asking Vic to voluntarily drop his public appearances and roles, the "Kick Vic" movement would probably not be attacked as fiercely as it was. That way, if he refused, it would've been worse for him. But since people went to higherups and got him to be dropped, they were able to pull the victim card on Vic saying that he had opportunities denied from him thanks to public outrage.

Dunno if this makes any sense?

It makes a lot of sense and was a much more appropriated thing to do, but it seems some folks here will not understand that.

Thank you for this comment. It makes a lot of sense.

[Shaddy]

If they did what you want, things would not change. This is consistent with most of history and this scandal is no different to any before it. Vic stans know what they're doing, and they're not ashamed. There is no rule that says they should be treated nice and easy, only the sentiment that to do otherwise would be poor sportsmanship, a belief they do not hold themselves to.

[SaintEvolution]

If they did what you want, things would not change. This is consistent with most of history and this scandal is no different to any before it. Vic stans know what they're doing, and they're not ashamed. There is no rule that says they should be treated nice and easy, only the sentiment that to do otherwise would be poor sportsmanship, a belief they do not hold themselves to.

Vic Stans do what they are doing because a lot of reasons. There is some lack of inteligency, I agree. But the "other side" also gave a lot of reasons for them to not believe themselves. I've pointed some of them in some of my previous comments.

Also, I think protests are good thing to do. But even when you protest, you need to know how to protest, and to show credibility and strenght, otherwise, people will not believe in you, people will not give credit for you. And that applies not only to this Vic case, but to a lot of things in life, in politics, in society, et cetera. Just 'yell on Twitter' doesn't show any solution. You need to show real action, or at least, a solid intelectual base. The moviment had none of those things and even in this topic I've saw that.

My main point is: If you search 'Vic Mignogna' on Youtube now and see the most liked and watched videos about this situation, you will see that Vic supporters are the majority. And they aren't only alt-righters or any bullshit like that. If you see some of the videos, you will notice that a big part of them are just regular people who maybe, are probably apolitical. That is a fact, and a synthom of KickVic's moviment's own fault, on dealing with the situation by the wrong ways.
And I'm not saying that Vic Stans should be threated nice, they shouldn't. I'm just saying that they should be counter-argued, instead of offended (like Julie did to a lot of people here that didn't agree with her at first, me included), as in a decent debate, but from the beginning, that didn't happened. And with that not happening, they just grow and became the majority. Outside here and few other places, they are the majority, unfortunally.
Threaten to sue everyone who tries to debate with you after see some incoherency in your words (as Monica Rial did) and reject the presumpsion of innocence (that I don't think it applies to Vic anymore, to be clear, but at first when this thing started, it applied) is not something regular people will see and agree with it.
Well, there is nothing much more to say now, so, good night.

[JazzMazz]

If they did what you want, things would not change. This is consistent with most of history and this scandal is no different to any before it. Vic stans know what they're doing, and they're not ashamed. There is no rule that says they should be treated nice and easy, only the sentiment that to do otherwise would be poor sportsmanship, a belief they do not hold themselves to.

Vic Stans do what they are doing because a lot of reasons. There is some lack of inteligency, I agree. But the "other side" also gave a lot of reasons for them to not believe themselves. I've pointed some of them in some of my previous comments.

Also, I think protests are good thing to do. But even when you protest, you need to know how to protest, and to show credibility and strenght, otherwise, people will not believe in you, people will not give credit for you. And that applies not only to this Vic case, but to a lot of things in life, in politics, in society, et cetera. Just 'yell on Twitter' doesn't show any solution. You need to show real action, or at least, a solid intelectual base. The moviment had none of those things and even in this topic I've saw that.

My main point is: If you search 'Vic Mignogna' on Youtube now and see the most liked and watched videos about this situation, you will see that Vic supporters are the majority. And they aren't only alt-righters or any bullshit like that. If you see some of the videos, you will notice that a big part of them are just regular people who maybe, are probably apolitical. That is a fact, and a synthom of KickVic's moviment's own fault, on dealing with the situation by the wrong ways.
And I'm not saying that Vic Stans should be threated nice, they shouldn't. I'm just saying that they should be counter-argued, instead of offended (like Julie did to a lot of people here that didn't agree with her at first, me included), as in a decent debate, but from the beginning, that didn't happened. And with that not happening, they just grow and became the majority. Outside here and few other places, they are the majority, unfortunally.
Threaten to sue everyone who tries to debate with you after see some incoherency in your words (as Monica Rial did) and reject the presumpsion of innocence (that I don't think it applies to Vic anymore, to be clear, but at first when this thing started, it applied) is not something regular people will see and agree with it.
Well, there is nothing much more to say now, so, good night.

I mean, I think the youtube videos thing could just be due to a lack of videos from a kickvic perspective on that forum, as opposed to the sheer volume and number of Istandwithvic video's, so I wouldn't think that's necessarily the greatest example for arguing the "conduct of conversation" argument.

[Brodes]

Jesus, why do people who want to defend Vic, or claim to be 'completely impartial but actually totally support him' keep using YouTube like it's some kind of infallible source that proves anything?

[JulieYBM]

I did debate without resorting to being offensive. I just don't have to prove anything to a complete stranger who clearly cannot be convinced of the historical evidence that shows the importance of loudly protesting social issues in public spaces or stripping predators of their power by dragging them into the light.

[Grand Marshal 1]

Jesus, why do people who want to defend Vic, or claim to be 'completely impartial but actually totally support him' keep using YouTube like it's some kind of infallible source that proves anything?

Although I am inclined to agree, we have to consider that people who own youtube channels and have elaborated on the topic, have influence. A sphere of influence over their fans.

I truly want to believe that said people aren't resorting to manipulation of the crowd that is following them, for the sake of satifying their personal interests. Of course they can openly say their opinion and expect for acceptance, as you won't find easily people who follow a youtuber and don't like them.

These "Spheres of influence" are the main reason as to why people tend to remain uniformed lately, as they have total faith over a youtuber's opinion, as they think that their opinion and claims, express them, the viewers, as well.

Ultimately, what a person should understand from this situation is that people have rights. Why did I come to this conclusion you may ask? Someone must pay attention to everyone involved currently, but the true lesson is about the situation overall.

People will always follow someone who can be heard. Then, they won't even try to find more sources. They will undeniably support someone's opinion, even if they do not entirely support it.

Personally, all I got from this is that in this world I have to be smart amd cunning in order to make sure that I won't become anyone's victim in the form of a sheep that will follow the rules of the shepherd. Be open minded.

(Of course I care about the people who are involved, but as they would not pay attention to a problem that I might face, I will not support either, as I am not a witness. Be smart and you will face no problems. In this case Vic acted irresponisbly and with ignorance of the consequences, in this world where everyone tries to create problems for personal gains (I am not referring to anyone in particilar)).

Result: people capitalize on their rights in the most negative ways possible. It is sad...

[SaiyanTarzan]

If they did what you want, things would not change. This is consistent with most of history and this scandal is no different to any before it. Vic stans know what they're doing, and they're not ashamed. There is no rule that says they should be treated nice and easy, only the sentiment that to do otherwise would be poor sportsmanship, a belief they do not hold themselves to.

Vic Stans do what they are doing because a lot of reasons. There is some lack of inteligency, I agree. But the "other side" also gave a lot of reasons for them to not believe themselves. I've pointed some of them in some of my previous comments.

Also, I think protests are good thing to do. But even when you protest, you need to know how to protest, and to show credibility and strenght, otherwise, people will not believe in you, people will not give credit for you. And that applies not only to this Vic case, but to a lot of things in life, in politics, in society, et cetera. Just 'yell on Twitter' doesn't show any solution. You need to show real action, or at least, a solid intelectual base. The moviment had none of those things and even in this topic I've saw that.

My main point is: If you search 'Vic Mignogna' on Youtube now and see the most liked and watched videos about this situation, you will see that Vic supporters are the majority. And they aren't only alt-righters or any bullshit like that. If you see some of the videos, you will notice that a big part of them are just regular people who maybe, are probably apolitical. That is a fact, and a synthom of KickVic's moviment's own fault, on dealing with the situation by the wrong ways.
And I'm not saying that Vic Stans should be threated nice, they shouldn't. I'm just saying that they should be counter-argued, instead of offended (like Julie did to a lot of people here that didn't agree with her at first, me included), as in a decent debate, but from the beginning, that didn't happened. And with that not happening, they just grow and became the majority. Outside here and few other places, they are the majority, unfortunally.
Threaten to sue everyone who tries to debate with you after see some incoherency in your words (as Monica Rial did) and reject the presumpsion of innocence (that I don't think it applies to Vic anymore, to be clear, but at first when this thing started, it applied) is not something regular people will see and agree with it.
Well, there is nothing much more to say now, so, good night.

This is exactly my point, everyone thought Chris Brown was a piece of crap for what he did because it went to court and went to jail, sure he had some diehard fans who defended him but the overall consensus was that he was an asshole who deserved jail time. This Vic thing has been so horribly mismanaged because it started on social media and guess what, social media is an anarchic warzone of ideas and when there's manipulation on BOTH sides you shouldn't act surprised. This is fresh off the metoo movement which has been good on some cases and horribly bad in other cases, a movement that has split people. There is a reason people are defending Vic, and i highly doubt it has anything to do with the sjw thing, it's more to do with how it was immaturely mismanaged on social media. My opinion on the matter is that Vic is an overly friendly guy who's overly familiar with people which he has admitted, i've met people like him and it's annoying when they slap or back or get friendly if they don't know you well, what solves that? is speaking up and telling them to quit it. Now that's my own opinion on this but regardless, this has been horribly mismanaged leading to what you have as the majority being Vic supporters men and women alike. You want to come together to effect real change against one person? take it to court, it cant be done, but look what happened because of this social media thing? Vic is now sueing for grounds of defamation, he took the initiative while everyone was arguing on twitter.

[VegettoEX]

It's unconscionable to me that you can presumably sit there with a straight face and use the phrase "mismanaged" when talking about women reporting sexual assaults, as if this is some bullet list on a company's marketing plan for a new ice cream flavor.

Exhibit number eight hundred and forty seven why accounts are underreported, right there.

[JulieYBM]

I know I'm beating a dead horse here but it bares repeating that the public forum exists precisely to solve issues that your willy-nilly court systems cannot broadly resolve. We need to have these discussions about predators and toxic masculinity constantly brought out without letting silliness like concern trolling or civility policing. Mic Vignogna spent twenty-plus years performing actions that automatically forfeit his place in fandom spaces. That's all there is to it. He has no place at conventions or events. He has no place at FUNimation, where he has performed the very same actions to have him barred from fandom spaces.

[Brodes]

If they did what you want, things would not change. This is consistent with most of history and this scandal is no different to any before it. Vic stans know what they're doing, and they're not ashamed. There is no rule that says they should be treated nice and easy, only the sentiment that to do otherwise would be poor sportsmanship, a belief they do not hold themselves to.

Vic Stans do what they are doing because a lot of reasons. There is some lack of inteligency, I agree. But the "other side" also gave a lot of reasons for them to not believe themselves. I've pointed some of them in some of my previous comments.

Also, I think protests are good thing to do. But even when you protest, you need to know how to protest, and to show credibility and strenght, otherwise, people will not believe in you, people will not give credit for you. And that applies not only to this Vic case, but to a lot of things in life, in politics, in society, et cetera. Just 'yell on Twitter' doesn't show any solution. You need to show real action, or at least, a solid intelectual base. The moviment had none of those things and even in this topic I've saw that.

My main point is: If you search 'Vic Mignogna' on Youtube now and see the most liked and watched videos about this situation, you will see that Vic supporters are the majority. And they aren't only alt-righters or any bullshit like that. If you see some of the videos, you will notice that a big part of them are just regular people who maybe, are probably apolitical. That is a fact, and a synthom of KickVic's moviment's own fault, on dealing with the situation by the wrong ways.
And I'm not saying that Vic Stans should be threated nice, they shouldn't. I'm just saying that they should be counter-argued, instead of offended (like Julie did to a lot of people here that didn't agree with her at first, me included), as in a decent debate, but from the beginning, that didn't happened. And with that not happening, they just grow and became the majority. Outside here and few other places, they are the majority, unfortunally.
Threaten to sue everyone who tries to debate with you after see some incoherency in your words (as Monica Rial did) and reject the presumpsion of innocence (that I don't think it applies to Vic anymore, to be clear, but at first when this thing started, it applied) is not something regular people will see and agree with it.
Well, there is nothing much more to say now, so, good night.

This is exactly my point, everyone thought Chris Brown was a piece of crap for what he did because it went to court and went to jail, sure he had some diehard fans who defended him but the overall consensus was that he was an asshole who deserved jail time. This Vic thing has been so horribly mismanaged because it started on social media and guess what, social media is an anarchic warzone of ideas and when there's manipulation on BOTH sides you shouldn't act surprised. This is fresh off the metoo movement which has been good on some cases and horribly bad in other cases, a movement that has split people. There is a reason people are defending Vic, and i highly doubt it has anything to do with the sjw thing, it's more to do with how it was immaturely mismanaged on social media. My opinion on the matter is that Vic is an overly friendly guy who's overly familiar with people which he has admitted, i've met people like him and it's annoying when they slap or back or get friendly if they don't know you well, what solves that? is speaking up and telling them to quit it. Now that's my own opinion on this but regardless, this has been horribly mismanaged leading to what you have as the majority being Vic supporters men and women alike. You want to come together to effect real change against one person? take it to court, it cant be done, but look what happened because of this social media thing? Vic is now sueing for grounds of defamation, he took the initiative while everyone was arguing on twitter.

I'm sorry, but fuck you. People like you, and this kind of bullshit reasoning are why my partner of 12 years didn't tell me was sexually assaulted as a child "by a nice guy" until last year. You want to defend a piece of shit? That's fine, but accept you are also a piece of shit. (*waits to be told I'm 'too emotional' or not thinking about Vic objectively because he put the bare minimum of effort into voice work")

[SaintEvolution]

Social protest =/= Twitter yelling.

Debate =/= tell the other to fuck himself and be a radical.

This is exactly my point, everyone thought Chris Brown was a piece of crap for what he did because it went to court and went to jail, sure he had some diehard fans who defended him but the overall consensus was that he was an asshole who deserved jail time. This Vic thing has been so horribly mismanaged because it started on social media and guess what, social media is an anarchic warzone of ideas and when there's manipulation on BOTH sides you shouldn't act surprised. This is fresh off the metoo movement which has been good on some cases and horribly bad in other cases, a movement that has split people. There is a reason people are defending Vic, and i highly doubt it has anything to do with the sjw thing, it's more to do with how it was immaturely mismanaged on social media. My opinion on the matter is that Vic is an overly friendly guy who's overly familiar with people which he has admitted, i've met people like him and it's annoying when they slap or back or get friendly if they don't know you well, what solves that? is speaking up and telling them to quit it. Now that's my own opinion on this but regardless, this has been horribly mismanaged leading to what you have as the majority being Vic supporters men and women alike. You want to come together to effect real change against one person? take it to court, it cant be done, but look what happened because of this social media thing? Vic is now sueing for grounds of defamation, he took the initiative while everyone was arguing on twitter.

Good point at all.

I mean, I think the youtube videos thing could just be due to a lack of videos from a kickvic perspective on that forum, as opposed to the sheer volume and number of Istandwithvic video's, so I wouldn't think that's necessarily the greatest example for arguing the "conduct of conversation" argument.

That is a possibility, I cannot disagree. But doesn't change the fact that, even if is the real situation, this not being faced and realized by a lot of folks, even here that is not happening.

I'm sorry, but fuck you. People like you, and this kind of bullshit reasoning are why my partner of 12 years didn't tell me was sexually assaulted as a child "by a nice guy" until last year. You want to defend a piece of shit? That's fine, but accept you are also a piece of shit. (*waits to be told I'm 'too emotional' or not thinking about Vic objectively because he put the bare minimum of effort into voice work")

Yeah, tell him to fuck himself, and prove I'm right.

Jesus, why do people who want to defend Vic, or claim to be 'completely impartial but actually totally support him' keep using YouTube like it's some kind of infallible source that proves anything?

Youtube IS some source. There are a lot of people there, more than here and more than it has in any place.

What do you think of this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxgEBk5pGCQ

Damn, this guy even changed his opinion after having a REAL DEBATE, with arguments and rationality. Not a silly fight on Twitter.