Lord Beerus wrote: Sat May 11, 2019 1:21 pm
It's a plothole. Plain and simple. Hell, we see what happens when the "pods" inside of Super Boo are removed, he reverts back to his previous state. That's how absorption in Dragon Ball works in general. There was zero hints that Kid Boo was a thing until he appeared, so his entire existence was just a massive fuck-up on Toriyama's part. Or alternatively, Toriyama willingly retconned Kid Boo into plot so that Goku could go up against a version of Majin Boo that he would have a fighting chance against. Remember, Goku flat out stated that unless he and Vegeta fused, there was no way they could fight Super Boo and not get slaughtered.
That's a looooot of speculation. Toriyama clearly hinted at something new happening with removal of Good Boo :
Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P7.3-6
Context: Vegeta grabs good Boo’s pod and wonders what will happen if he pulls it out
Vegeta: “This’ll be fun…Will you turn back into this fatso? Or will you become that scrawny guy? …Either way, it seems that your power will doubtlessly fall below what it is now.”
Boo: “Sto-stop it! Do-don’t touch that! Hands off!”
Vegeta: “Kukkukku…You seem even more panicked than I expected…Apparently it will be quite unfavorable for you…”
Boo: “Th-that’s the only one you mustn’t tear out…! I-I’ll stop being me!”
Goku: “’I’ll stop being me’…?”
Vegeta: “That sounds interesting…Did you really think I’d listen to you?”
Do you realize Toriyama clearly made us believe that he should logically turn into Grey Boo/Fat boo and get weaker, then made Boo say that he will stop existing. You think that's not enough? The fact that Super Boo was so afraid of Fat Boo getting removed and saying he will cease to exist clearly hints at Someone new will appear. Even when Goku and Vegeta left his body Vegeta was insinuating that he should turn into Fat or Thin guy. Goku also told Piccolo earlier that he's unsure of defeating Fat boo only to admit that he could have if he had gone all-out. Goku's unwillingness to fight Super Boo but wanting to fight Kid Boo should not be used to power scale since they both have different context.
Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”
Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P8.7
Context: Boo forms a big ki blast
Goku: “It-it’s huge…! You’ve got to be kidding…! Do-does he intend to unleash that…!? … We can’t knock back something like that…!”
For consistency that “we” had to be used in the same fashion. Either Goku is not counting his SSJ3 form during those statements or he does. You can’t have it both ways. This leaves two scenarios. The first is that he is just referring to their SSJ2 forms. That also means the statement inside Super Boo is irreverent to his SSJ3 power. The second is that he does count his SSJ3 power meaning that at the time his SSJ3 power was much inferior to Super Boo's power but to kid Boo's as well.
You must be thinking it's because of this :
Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6
Context: after Boo reverts to his pure form
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “……Heh…Heheheh…Look! He’s shrunk down quite a bit!”
Goku: “We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.”
But this has got nothing to do with power, they don't judge him off his ki, they don't even refute anything concerning his ki going up after Good Boo was torn off and this isn't first time this happened :
Chapter: 304 (DBZ 110), P12.4-5
Context: Kuririn says Freeza’s final form doesn’t look that powerful
Piccolo: “A good example of how you shouldn’t judge someone’s true ability by their appearance…He was far more cute before…Damn it…I had you go through all that trouble getting that wish granted…Sorry…But it really doesn’t look like I’ll be able to save you…”
Chapter: 382 (DBZ 188), P11.2
Context: after Cell finally reaches his perfect form
Vegeta: “Kukkukkuh…So even his perfect form doesn’t look like anything special. He’s even gotten smaller than he was before.”
Do you don't find it strange, similar to Kid Boo situation Vegeta laughs and then uses the same word 縮 (Chiji)? The way its paneled doesn't even hint at they are rationally judging him, it's as if they are laughing at him for size. Either way it's proved that they only judged him from size :
Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P12.6
Vegeta: “The truth is you were right [that I’d be killed by Boo]. That Boo is stronger than I imagined…And so are you, Kakarot…”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”
Context: after Goku fights pure Boo for awhile
Goku: “…Dammit…! Like I thought, even if I keep doing the same thing, that bastard’s stamina doesn’t fall…! He just returns to being good as new right away…”
Context: after one of Goku’s attacks damages Boo
Goku: “That bastard…Even though he can quickly return to normal, he’s playing around by purposefully drawing it out…”
Boo is clearly lollygagging
This takes precedence and Vegeta realized Kid Boo was much stronger and thought Goku was putting up an act of struggling only to realize Goku wasn't and right there Goku admitted potara was better and he was overconfident.
Kaboom wrote: Sat May 11, 2019 6:59 pm
The way I see it, the grey Majin Boo wasn't a complete being. He was basically just an empty shell formed from pure evil that imitated Fat Boo, without a soul of his own. But somehow during the time he spent with the other Boo absorbed, he managed to magically copy-paste a soul for himself, and thus regained the form of a complete Boo again.
Grey Boo has to be just an Evil manifestation from Fat Boo, his cape and glove resembled Fat Boo too, this means similar to Fat Boo he has Dai Kaioshin influence since he's other half of accessible power Fat Boo had due to Kaioshins in him restraining his powers. With him eating Good boo i think Boo became whole again but this time the Evil side was dominant and with Good Boo getting removed who is Kaioshin influence from both Kaioshins Boo absorbed, Boo was an empty husk who reverted to his original unrestricted form, that's why the moment Goku and Vegeta torn Good Boo his power started rising and Kibitoshin confirmed that he actually lost power through absorptions, which means Pure Boo was Boo without anyone restraining his Evilness and Power.
Gokitalo wrote:If I may wildly speculate...
I always thought this was because Kid Boo no longer had any trace of the Dai Kaioshin in his body when good Boo was taken out of him. We know that absorbing the Dai Kaioshin created a profound change in Boo (in both demeanour and strength-- Kid Boo's clearly stronger than Innocent Boo), and when Gray Boo was expelled from Innocent Boo's body, Gray presumably still had some aspect of the Kaioshin within him. When eating Good Boo, I suppose Gray Boo somehow managed to transfer whatever part of the Dai Kaoshin he had in him into Good Boo. Obviously it didn't free Gray Boo from the Dai Kaioshin's influence completely, as Good Boo remained in Gray Boo's body, which is why the latter mutated into the new Super Boo. Since the Dai Kaioshin's essence now completely resided in Good Boo's body, however, when Goku and Vegeta extracted Good Boo from Super Boo's body, Super Boo reverted to Kid Boo, now completely free of the Dai Kaioshin's influence period. Perhaps the South Kaioshin's essence also resided in Good Boo, which is why Super Boo did not remain in the bulky form he'd acquired when absorbing S.K. originally.
Again, theorizing a lot here. If true, though, it is interesting that Super Boo saw value in retaining the Dai Kaioshin in his body. It may have cost him his ruthlessness (and at least a little of his strength), but it also mentally evolved Boo into more than a creature of destruction. I think it's safe to assume that the Dai Kaioshin's essence can be split, since it seems Boo has long ago "digested" him, so to speak: he doesn't seem to exist as a physical presence inside Boo's body anymore.
Whether I'm right or wrong, I do hope the current storyline in the Super manga addresses the issue before it concludes, given how Boo-centric it's been. Toyotarou is fond of addressing such things...
I think grey Boo ceased to exist the moment he ate Good Boo since he was nothing more than Evil half Fat Boo, his appearance resembled Dai Kaioshin too. With Good Boo, who was influence of both Kaioshins, taken out of Super Boo's body, boo was left to feed off his own unrestricted power that's why his ki went up and Kibitoshin confirmed it by telling how his LOWERED his power after taking in 2 Kaioshins.
