Noah wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 10:07 am
What it is actually cliché for whoever criticise MCU is that they all use the same ol' arguments.
Well there you go.
And to keep this straight: I'm most comparing what is modern Dragon Ball now to MCU, the original 42 volumes are out of this discussion.
Because no, there's no passion while writting DB nowadays, Toriyama said himself that the series is always based on fighting, we don't have much good character moments. It is always the same stuff over and over again: Big bad shows up, we only have Goku and Vegeta to deal with him, Beerus and Whis stays out of the game because of reasons, they suffer, they train, they suffer a lot more than they win. Drop other characters on the plot, some new, some old, give them little moments, but the script follow this same pattern.
Wait, why? This whole thread is about all of Dragon Ball. I'm comparing all of canon Dragon Ball to MCU.
The only thing that I agree with your statement is that Endgame is not the best MCU movie, that place still belongs to Infinity War.
I wouldn't even put Infinity Wars at the top. But that's a matter of opinion I guess.
Oh and for sure it's way better a linear movie about a guy that is really strong and both heroes have to deal with him, than another one that gives you excellent character moments, conclusion of their arcs, depth and meaningful scenes.
The problem that I have about the MCU is, while it has these things, the pacing and presentation isn't the best. Everything happens a bit too fast and is just thrown in there. I feel far less connected to it because of this. I appreciate it all the same in an objective sense, but I don't feel it.
Dragon Ball actually knows how to slow this down, keep it simple, and make scenes like this feel way more personal. And this is still present in the Broly movie, although it has its hick-ups too. But I don't just appreciate its meaningful scenes. I feel them.
Frieza killing Krillin for example, felt way more dreadful, personal, frightening and sickening than when Thanos killed Gamora.
For realsies, what charm? Poop jokes?
Yeah, poop jokes. Totally. How did you know I was referring to that?
I'll give you some examples of charm that I like in Dragon Ball. You have someone like Beerus who is godly powerful. Yet he retains his cat-like demeanor, where he's lazy, uncaring, loves to eat and is deceptively unimposing looking (a common design trope in Dragon Ball, and it's one that works well).
Actually, what I say in parentheses is a good general example of a common trope seen in Dragon Ball, where characters have these very contrasting qualities within them. And it's a formula I, quite frankly, never get tired of. So I hope Toriyama and Toyotaro continue to reuse it over and over. Marvel likes to reuse formulas all the time as well. Some good, some bad.
There's nothing wrong with reusing formulas if it's a good formula.