Super Dragon Ball Heroes (Manga) Discussion Thread

[Grimlock]

Hopefully Pan doesn't stick around for long. I'd like for them to be consistent and not having a kid as a Time Patroller. Though Kaioshin of Time is not around, then if she does turn out to join the group, it'll be temporary/an unofficial member, which would be fine by me once Kaioshin of Time returns and sends Pan back home. This is also the perfect opportunity for her to shine, a better role than the character ever had.

[Dark_Tzitzimine]

And lose the chance to print more shiny Pan: Xeno cards?

Is like you don't know how Bandai works.

[Cipher]

And lose the chance to print more shiny Pan: Xeno cards?

Is like you don't know how Bandai works.

To be pedantic, this isn't Pan: Xeno, though. It's just Pan ... GT, I guess.

(If this isn't just Nagyama going rogue, she might get Super Saiyan though, which somehow still hasn't happened.)

[RichardKing2]

Wow, GP SSB(KK??) Goku seems to be putting up some form of fight against SSJ3 Cumber.
https://twitter.com/DBSChronicles/statu ... 7894880257

Spoiler:

https://imgur.com/QfdrsFe

https://imgur.com/GvMSJ6c

Better than SSJ4 Xeno Vegito's performance against him in the manga

[Rakurai]

Hopefully Pan doesn't stick around for long. I'd like for them to be consistent and not having a kid as a Time Patroller. Though Kaioshin of Time is not around, then if she does turn out to join the group, it'll be temporary/an unofficial member, which would be fine by me once Kaioshin of Time returns and sends Pan back home. This is also the perfect opportunity for her to shine, a better role than the character ever had.

They got time shenanigans. Just make her older somehow.

I would be down to see a Pan: GT (Adult) version. Who can go SSJ.

Wow, GP SSB(KK??) Goku seems to be putting up some form of fight against SSJ3 Cumber.
https://twitter.com/DBSChronicles/statu ... 7894880257

Spoiler:

https://imgur.com/QfdrsFe

https://imgur.com/GvMSJ6c

Better than SSJ4 Xeno Vegito's performance against him in the manga

To be fair, SSB Vegetto wouldn't have done any better, given he was also fighting evenly against base Cumber.

Manga GP Goku must've made some really serious gains then. He went from needing to fuse against base Cumber to being able to fight SSJ3 Cumber somewhat.

[Dark_Tzitzimine]

We didn't really saw V4 fight Cumber in the manga though. Just a few punches that made Cumber decide to play seriously and then the fight gets interrupted by UI Goku.

[Cipher]

Summary of Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission Chapter 8 (summary of this issue's Dark Demon Realm Mission! on the previous page):

Spoiler:

Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission Chapter 8

Publication Date: June 1, 2019, Saikyō Jump July 2019

Title page flavor text (not a proper chapter title): “The ultimate battle begins...!!”

Summary
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Goku and Vegeta stare down Hearts. Vegeta warns Goku to be careful. It seems as though Hearts can read their movements in advance. Goku goes Super Saiyan God and says if he can’t dodge, it won’t matter.

Hearts taunts Goku for his simple way of thinking. He fires a series of energy cubes toward Goku, stopping Goku in his tracks. Super Saiyan 3 Cumber rushes in from behind and smacks Goku into a rock. Goku goes Super Saiyan Blue and engages Cumber in a skirmish.

Oren taunts Vegeta for looking on so cooly with his arms crossed. Is he feeling a little full of himself for having broken free of Oren’s control?

“I’ll tell you now, I’m not going to lose in a fight.” Vegeta begins to transform into Super Saiyan Blue. “You got that, kid? I’ll only give you one warning. You look down on the Saiyans too much. I’m going to beat how fearsome Saiyans are into that body of yours!”

Vegeta rushes Oren, and fires a blast after having driven him back. The blast is deflected by a wall of glass—Lagss’ “Float Mirror” technique (フロートミラー Furōto Mirа̄, set next to the kanji 盾鏡 Tate Kagami, “Shield Mirror”). Lagss emerges on the battlefield, along with Kamin.

Hearts says that Lagss and Kamin are early and asks if they got what they were after. Kamin says it was no problem! No one in Universe 3 was too strong. Cut to Universe 3, where several members of the team from the Tournament of Power, along with an entire city, are encased in glass.

Kamin tosses Hearts a small, cartridge-like device they retrieved from Universe 3. She chastises Oren for being unable to beat Vegeta, then forcibly absorbs him, claiming that playtime is over. The two reform as “Kamioren.”

Kamioren attacks Vegeta and manages to put up a bit of a fight. Vegeta notes that their power has increased, but tells them to not get carried away. He powers up and blows Kamioren backward, but before he can land his next punch, finds his arm encased in glass. He notices Lagss standing some distance away with her hands outstretched, realizing it must be her doing.

According to Hearts, Lagss has the ability to condense particles of sand and stone in the air to create glass. The “Glass Tribe” truly is fearful.

Hearts remarks that it looks like their power is sufficient to handle things in Universe 11 for now. He asks Goku, still locked in battle with Cumber, if he hails from Universe 11 as well. Goku replies that he comes from Universe 7.

Hearts muses that there was no need to even “listen” (mind-read) this time. He finds himself becoming more and more interested in Goku.

Hearts calls to Zamasu and says he’ll leave command of their current situation to him. Hearts has somewhere he’d like to look into. Zamasu asks where.

“Universe 7!” Hearts answers. He’s decided to carry out the final phase of their operation there.

Hearts forms a cube around himself to begin his transfer to Universe 7. Vegeta knocks Kamioren out of the way and flies toward Hearts, but is fired upon by Zamasu. Trunks rushes in to slice Zamasu’s blast in half.

At the same time, Toppo rushes in to fight Cumber, and Dyspo zips up to Lagss, asking her if she’s just going to watch. Trunks tells Vegeta to stop Hearts.

Hearts begins to fade away in his cube as Vegeta hurdles toward it. Vegeta shatters the glass surrounding his arm via his own energy, and smashes the cube. However, as the cube shatters, it reveals itself to be empty. Hearts has already made his escape.

Toppo powers up into his God of Destruction form (seen in the anime version of the Tournament of Power), and tells Universe 7 to give chase. From here out, he’ll protect Universe 11 by his own power.

As the ground cracks beneath him, Dyspo warns Toppo that with that power, he could wind up destroying the planet himself.

Cumber is elated. Now he can enjoy this ultimate death match to his heart’s content!

As the battlefield shakes from Cumber and Toppo’s clashing energies, Trunks asks the Kaiōshin to take his father and Goku and escape. He will remain behind to defeat Zamasu.

The Kaiōshin asks Goku and Vegeta to grab hold of him. They’re going to return to Universe 7 at once. Dyspo silently thanks Universe 7 for their help, and wishes them good luck in battle. As the group prepares to depart, Vegeta wonders where Kamioren ran off to.

Kamioren, some distance away from the battle, laments the great natural potential all their opponents here seem to have. In that case, they’ll show something interesting. The glass surrounding the sphere in the center of the structure Hearts and co. have been carrying around begins to melt. Unleashing just a bit should be fine, right? Of the battle energy they’ve gathered from each universe... the Universe Seed.

Next: The power to topple the Omni-King, the “Universe Seed”!! Next issue, its power is ... unleashed?!

Next issue: August 2, 2019

[Rakurai]

Very disappointed that Nagayama skipped a grand tour of U3 by Goku and co. Seems all we get is a shot of the universe in a glassified state. No Jiren either, but I guess this means Toppo and Dyspo play a greater role in protecting U11 which I can dig.

Still no sign of Fu or Majin Ozotto. Since they're going back to U7, would be very nice to get some interaction between Cooler (assuming he's being manipulated by Fu) and Freeza.

[Cipher]

I guess, probably of note to very few people, but for those with eagle eyes for lore consistency...

The way Hearts describes Lagss' abilities this chapter feels slightly at odds with bio descriptions and earlier content, which imply a full-on magical "glassification." That would fit with Hearts asking her if she can undo her process on Cumber in the first chapter of the arc--whereas what we get in this chapter makes it sound more as if she can only form glass to encase targets in. Vegeta also breaks his arm out of the glass it's encased in using his own energy (a detail I'll edit into the summary; I actually didn't catch it on first read), so ... it seems like that was just encasement too?

Your guess is as good as mine.

[Rakurai]

I'm quite happy that Nagayama actually remembered the Blutz wave machine should've been destroyed before GT Gogeta was formed. That's something I wondered about when UVM8 was released in the arcade, but didn't think much of it because it wasn't a really important detail compared to the fact that it exists in the GTverse. Also, XGohan's SSJ4 transformation may be a one-time only given it was his first time using it, and we know GT Vegeta wasn't able to transform into a SSJ4 again, restored or not.

I'm fully expecting Dark Gogeta to resurface, seeing as Fin should have the ability to copy his power again after absorbing him once.

I really hope we can get a SSJ Pan for the first time. Maybe she'll be featured in UVM9. I'm not sure how she'll be useful though, given everyone else is leagues above her.

I guess, probably of note to very few people, but for those with eagle eyes for lore consistency...

The way Hearts describes Lagss' abilities this chapter feels slightly at odds with bio descriptions and earlier content, which imply a full-on magical "glassification." That would fit with Hearts asking her if she can undo her process on Cumber in the first chapter of the arc--whereas what we get in this chapter makes it sound more as if she can only form glass to encase targets in. Vegeta also breaks his arm out of the glass it's encased in using his own energy (a detail I'll edit into the summary; I actually didn't catch it on first read), so ... it seems like that was just encasement too?

Your guess is as good as mine.

Maybe she can, but we haven't really seen it yet. Though it might just be Nagayama's interpretation of Lagss' special abilities. This wouldn't be the first time we have different functions of the same form/character across multiple media (e.g. SSB, Zamasu's Potara time limit, Ranger 17's bomb, UI).

[Ssb_goku20]

To be fair, SSB Vegetto wouldn't have done any better, given he was also fighting evenly against base Cumber.

Manga GP Goku must've made some really serious gains then. He went from needing to fuse against base Cumber to being able to fight SSJ3 Cumber somewhat.
[/quote]

Vegito Blue Kaioken = Golden Oozaru Cumber in the Manga and judging by how the Potara's base is greater than the fusees max power added together multiplied by tens of times ( several tens according to Herms ) then Vegito would definitely trash Cumber.

[Noitsnothim]

So what....We aren't going to see Jiren vs. Hearts ?

(It'd be so cool to get the core area warriors as DLC in Both Xenoverse & FighterZ)

[Rakurai]

Vegito Blue Kaioken = Golden Oozaru Cumber in the Manga and judging by how the Potara's base is greater than the fusees max power added together multiplied by tens of times ( several tens according to Herms ) then Vegito would definitely trash Cumber.

Prison Planet SSB Vegetto was evenly matched against base Cumber. As was Xeno V4.

The fight between GGA Cumber and KK-Bluegetto was too short to say definitively who is stronger than whom based on the energy clash.

I'd rather use the story as my source than vaguely defined interpretations of multipliers, which are and always have been faulty.

[Ssb_goku20]

Vegito Blue Kaioken = Golden Oozaru Cumber in the Manga and judging by how the Potara's base is greater than the fusees max power added together multiplied by tens of times ( several tens according to Herms ) then Vegito would definitely trash Cumber.

Prison Planet SSB Vegetto was evenly matched against base Cumber. As was Xeno V4.

The fight between GGA Cumber and KK-Bluegetto was too short to say definitively who is stronger than whom based on the energy clash.

I'd rather use the story as my source than vaguely defined interpretations of multipliers, which are and always have been faulty.

Check again, sometime during their fight Cumber felt the need to go Ssj and then Golden Oozaru after Vegito used Kaioken. And a blast struggle does tell who's stronger than who as who ever has the stronger Ki is the victor and as shown neither Cumber nor Vegito had a edge in power however Vegito had the edge in speed.

[Zamasu55]

Wanted to see Jiren, but I'm glad they gave Dyspo and Toppo a bigger role.

[Rakurai]

Check again, sometime during their fight Cumber felt the need to go Ssj and then Golden Oozaru after Vegito used Kaioken. And a blast struggle does tell who's stronger than who as who ever has the stronger Ki is the victor and as shown neither Cumber nor Vegito had a edge in power however Vegito had the edge in speed.

You still haven't proven me wrong and you're making presumptions about the conditions of the battle, like Cumber feeling the need to transform SSJ before Vegetto went KK. When it could've been the other way around.

Facts are Prison Planet SSB Vegetto was evenly matched against base Cumber. As was Xeno V4.

[Ssb_goku20]

Check again, sometime during their fight Cumber felt the need to go Ssj and then Golden Oozaru after Vegito used Kaioken. And a blast struggle does tell who's stronger than who as who ever has the stronger Ki is the victor and as shown neither Cumber nor Vegito had a edge in power however Vegito had the edge in speed.

You still haven't proven me wrong and you're making presumptions about the conditions of the battle, like Cumber feeling the need to transform SSJ before Vegetto went KK. When it could've been the other way around.

Facts are Prison Planet SSB Vegetto was evenly matched against base Cumber. As was Xeno V4.

Reread chapter 3 and 4, yes it shows Vegito Blue = base Cumber but right when Cumber goes Ssj Vegito says it's time to get serious and uses Kaioken which Cumber responds by saying he'll show Vegito how he looks when he's serious and goes Golden Oozaru which Vegito decimates Cumber when it comes to speed and when they were locked in a blast struggle they were evenly matched which means Vegito Blue Kaioken = Golden Oozaru Cumber while Ssj4 Vegito Xeno = base Cumber.

[Grimlock]

And lose the chance to print more shiny Pan: Xeno cards?

Is like you don't know how Bandai works.

Which is why I'm already prepared to play the "oh well, let's just hope Xeno Pan doesn't become a full-time Time Patroller " card.

To be pedantic, this isn't Pan: Xeno, though. It's just Pan ... GT, I guess.

Yeah, well... As soon as she becomes (if) a Time Patroller, it'll be Xeno Pan, just like what happened to everyone else.

They got time shenanigans. Just make her older somehow.

I would be down to see a Pan: GT (Adult) version. Who can go SSJ.

If they age Pan, then we're talking. Keep her around as long as they want!

[Cipher]

Wish I could edit posts after the two-hour window, but anyway: Small correction to the Dark Demon Realm! summary:

I mistranscribed Gohan's special attack. It's 極限魔閃烈衝壁 (as opposed to 衝撃, at the end): Kyokugen Masenresshōheki, or something along the lines of "Extreme Demonic Crashing Light Wall." Or just "Extreme Masenresshōheki," in keeping in style with previous "ma-" attacks.

[Dark_Tzitzimine]

Thinking a little, I believe that the odds for Pan actually joining the Time Patrol are pretty high. You have the manga events, then there's the tease of the leaked description for UMV9 and with that in mind, the sudden decision of retelling GT makes sense, is to get new players up to speed about Pan's story.