Tai Lung wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:37 pm
dbz is more sci-fi is actually different things like magic weapons, demons(not aliens) and Asian legends was also reduced it was very obvious that DB would keep Dragon balls is what gives name to the series but again their participation was quite minor
And the original Dragon Ball WASN'T sci-fi? Sure going to space was a big deal, but remember that Dragon Ball is where Capsules, Battle Jackets, robots and flying cars come from, to say nothing of Bulma's inventions like the shrinking watch, the Dragon Radar, building a flying drone out of household parts, and the general Jetsons-like aesthetic of the architecture of places like West City and it's building-sized TVs (which originated in DB, not Z). And let's not forget Penguin Village, which in many ways can TOTALLY fit in the Dragon Ball world, and it stars a human-like robot as its protagonist.
Tai Lung wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:37 pm
is an example of how I can separate the fact that the gods start have important battles every time more directly outside being only an instructor or healer
So you're saying that because the Buu saga has the involvement of the Kais (which, by the way, is a MYSTICAL element if ever there was one) it's connected to an anime that was written 15 years afterwards??? They're NOT connected in that way, Super is using elements iconic to the final arc of Dragon Ball to help it feel a part of the old content, which makes sense given the time period it's set in. Toriyama DID NOT write the Buu arc knowing he'd help take over Battle of Gods over a decade later to introduce Beerus and co.
Tai Lung wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:37 pm
I am not saying that the difference is huge .. but it is not so difficult to separate it.
I could see an argument for a split between the Kid Goku stuff and Adult Goku stuff purely due to the age of many of the characters shifting... but the split between DB and Z is an arbitrary one made purely for marketing reasons so that Toei could sell the same product again under a different name and brand it as new (and as we know, it worked really well). The manga itself is proof that in reality there really is no seam there.
Tai Lung wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:37 pm
ABED wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:26 am
Ki blasts are martial arts
no, they are not ...
at least in DB OG there is kung fu and other styles of hand-to-hand fighting
the energy attacks of energy aren't much and the strategy was more important
I can not take the explosions as a martial art
Then you don't know wuxia. Your comparison to Gundam is a terrible one because in that they are using electrical and plasma energy for those blasts. You're focusing WAY too much on the dub's use of the word "energy" as a Woolseyism of "ki" or "chi" energy. In the original translation, it's all ki, which is energy from the body.
And, since Kunzait's nowhere to be found, it has to be pointed out that the control of your body's chi is VERY MUCH a part of real-life martial arts and being good at them. The use of it to fire beams of light is very much fantasy, but ki itself is intrinsically tied to martial arts because that's where it comes from. You cannot use ki without also being a good martial artist. It's the reason why the "ordinary folk" of the Tournaments like Mr. Satan, Giran, and the wrestlers and such can't do it, but really good fighters like Krillin, Yamcha and Videl get the hang of it.
Tai Lung wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:37 pm
ABED wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:26 am
and when does DBZ have LESS fantasy?
It is not the same game of thrones and star wars
Just to point it out, DBZ is where Goku visited the afterlife, met King Yenma (an actual figure in Japanese folklore), visited Princess Snake, fell into Hell and met the locals, was trained by King Kai and more. This not even mentioning Piccolo and Kami merging back together in the Cell arc or Goku assigning Dende the role of God and him resurrecting the Dragon Balls. And of course, there's the HUGE expansion of the afterlife in the Buu arc, where we delved into the Kai hierarchy and met Buu, who shares a great many traits with genies (appears as smoke from a chamber, for example). And do I even need to bring up Super?
And as for COMEDY, have you SEEN Mr. Satan?