God Ki and Evil Ki

[Grand Marshal 1]

See I had this thought circling around my head for a while now. Remember when Toppo in God of Destruction Mode took on Evolved Blue Vegeta?

Remember when Cumber fought with Vegito Blue and the latter didn't turn evil, despite Goku previously charging as a Super Saiyan 2 and going berserk?

Well, all that made me rethink the concept of God Ki. Not as a power, but rather what it offers. What made it so special? Besides the fact that the gods had natural access to it.

So is God Ki resistant to Evil Ki? Is it also capable of resisting hakai, or energy of destruction? Apparently yes. What happens with SSJ4 though?

It uses regular Ki. Yet it is capable of resisting Evil Ki as shown from the fight of Vegito Xeno in the form with Cumber. Same goes for SSJ4 Gogeta who not only resisted the negative/evil energy of Omega Shenron but he also converted it into Genki. Life force, the complete opposite. So what's up with that specific form? Why is it capable of accomplishing comparable feats to form with God Ki while it uses normal Ki? Even SSJ4 Goku absorbed the Revenge Death Ball of Baby Vegeta. That wasn't simple energy absorbtion or attack negation as shown by Super Saiyan God. It was something more.

Someone would expect that the primal form of the Saiyan should be more evil and aggressive rather than capable of shifting negative Ki into Genki.

Of course is negative Ki, evil Ki? Wasn't GT centered around that concept? Meaning that everything from the Tuffles' hate converted into energy, to Super 17's attacks that used his evil counterparts evil powers, to Omega Shenron's negative energy was practically the same. Would Cumber mix into this with his energy?

Ultimately, why is SSJ4 capable of doing such feats? Is evil Ki different amongst different people or is it the same to all and the same to negative energy? Is it that during GT Goku and Vegeta, hense Gogeta, were able to manifest some God powers from their strength alone like Jiren or other powerful beings?

Finally a wild idea of mine. Wasn't Omega Shenron and all the Shadow Dragons unleashed at one point? Could it be that Omega was successful on releasing his evil energy in the cosmos, thus returning to the Dragon Balls, while Cumber was a Saiyan affected by him?

[Polyphase Avatron]

If we're talking about Cumber, let's also mention that in the first Xenoverse, Goku and Beerus' God ki allowed them to resist Demigra's corruption.

[Grand Marshal 1]

If we're talking about Cumber, let's also mention that in the first Xenoverse, Goku and Beerus' God ki allowed them to resist Demigra's corruption.

After these days, I also though of this case being used again in SDBH.

Trunks attaining Super Saiyan God could be due to the God Ki of the form resisting Mechikabura's evil powers and magic, you know all the brainwashing stuff.

Perhaps we might get a fight between them.

[Rakurai]

I think the concept of evil Ki is too vague and varied to find any common point in DB. All it likely refers to is the quality of one's ki in the same way everyone has a unique type of ki that can be discerned.

By the way, the Shadow Dragons has minus energy even though their ki was "evil" in the sense that it felt evil or was sinister. The Minus energy was their special gimmick, nothing more to the evil ki.

Cumber's ki was just so evil at first he could affect anybody who touched him. Although that was obv a one-time thing, now whoever he fights doesn't get corrupted anymore. And it's not the same evil ki in the sense as Demigra's or Babidi's magic.

Kaioshin of Time has god ki and she couldn't resist Mechikaboola's brainwashing. Although we don't exactly know how he was able to do it, I very much doubt SSG XTrunks would have that level of resistance against Mechikaboola's magic.

[Bebi Hatchiyack]

On a fanfic I'm developing with an idea similar to TheDevilCorpses but with a totally different approach.

I developed a system based on several types of Ki. With my main OC Saiyan give special name.

The Vital Energy in my fanfic is the one that our daily mortal use to perform attacks such as Kienzan or Masenko.
The Divine Energy is the one that Beerus, Whis and some Kaioshin or even Kaio can use, also the Super Saiyan God draw it's source power here.
The Natural Energy in my fanfic can be related to any natural phenomenon such as gravity weather or even fire and electricity.
The Spiritual Energy is here the energy that emit the soul to oppose as the one that emit the body still in my fanfic.
The Supernatural Energy would be an energy specific to use for wizard or any non natural thing like resurection, here I see Majin Buu, Hirudegarn, Babidi or even the Dragon Shenron be able to use this source of power for their Magic.
And then we have the demonic energy which is the opposit of the Divine Energy like the Yin and the Yang, I see this energy use by special demon and high ranking demon or majin so Dabra, Mechikaboora or even Garlic Jr would fit as user to this particullar ki.

What I want to say with that, is that if Evil/Demonic Ki is either introduce it needs to have it's own identity, if God ki is a ki that is not felt and is a refined ki, Demonic Ki need to be opposit so you can feel this energy, also this energy reeks bad corrupt and is not refined.

[Grand Marshal 1]

On a fanfic I'm developing with an idea similar to TheDevilCorpses but with a totally different approach.

I developed a system based on several types of Ki. With my main OC Saiyan give special name.

The Vital Energy in my fanfic is the one that our daily mortal use to perform attacks such as Kienzan or Masenko.
The Divine Energy is the one that Beerus, Whis and some Kaioshin or even Kaio can use, also the Super Saiyan God draw it's source power here.
The Natural Energy in my fanfic can be related to any natural phenomenon such as gravity weather or even fire and electricity.
The Spiritual Energy is here the energy that emit the soul to oppose as the one that emit the body still in my fanfic.
The Supernatural Energy would be an energy specific to use for wizard or any non natural thing like resurection, here I see Majin Buu, Hirudegarn, Babidi or even the Dragon Shenron be able to use this source of power for their Magic.
And then we have the demonic energy which is the opposit of the Divine Energy like the Yin and the Yang, I see this energy use by special demon and high ranking demon or majin so Dabra, Mechikaboora or even Garlic Jr would fit as user to this particullar ki.

What I want to say with that, is that if Evil/Demonic Ki is either introduce it needs to have it's own identity, if God ki is a ki that is not felt and is a refined ki, Demonic Ki need to be opposit so you can feel this energy, also this energy reeks bad corrupt and is not refined.

The last one was a good point. Could definitely accept that being the case with demonic Ki. However our demons can even use God Ki so that's something else...

I think the concept of evil Ki is too vague and varied to find any common point in DB. All it likely refers to is the quality of one's ki in the same way everyone has a unique type of ki that can be discerned.

By the way, the Shadow Dragons has minus energy even though their ki was "evil" in the sense that it felt evil or was sinister. The Minus energy was their special gimmick, nothing more to the evil ki.

Cumber's ki was just so evil at first he could affect anybody who touched him. Although that was obv a one-time thing, now whoever he fights doesn't get corrupted anymore. And it's not the same evil ki in the sense as Demigra's or Babidi's magic.

Kaioshin of Time has god ki and she couldn't resist Mechikaboola's brainwashing. Although we don't exactly know how he was able to do it, I very much doubt SSG XTrunks would have that level of resistance against Mechikaboola's magic.

Oof, I completely forgot that Chronoa is a god. Still, how come she didn't resist to the magic? Doesn't seem right to me. It was pretty much established in Xenoverse that God Ki remains unnafected from magic. Hmmm, it could be that Mechikabura is very powerful, stronger than Demigra.

No way Chronoa fooled everyone and was brainwashed intentionally eh? Anyway. One more question, when the demons achieve the 2 forms of Demon God, do they gain access to God Ki? Everyone seems to say so, but has there been any reference for that from the game? I trust your judgment.

[Bebi Hatchiyack]

Oof, I completely forgot that Chronoa is a god. Still, how come she didn't resist to the magic? Doesn't seem right to me. It was pretty much established in Xenoverse that God Ki remains unnafected from magic. Hmmm, it could be that Mechikabura is very powerful, stronger than Demigra.

No way Chronoa fooled everyone and was brainwashed intentionally eh? Anyway. One more question, when the demons achieve the 2 forms of Demon God, do they gain access to God Ki? Everyone seems to say so, but has there been any reference for that from the game? I trust your judgment.

I think that could work if Mechikabura is reveal later to be a Makaioshin instead of a Overload Demon.

[Grand Marshal 1]

Oof, I completely forgot that Chronoa is a god. Still, how come she didn't resist to the magic? Doesn't seem right to me. It was pretty much established in Xenoverse that God Ki remains unnafected from magic. Hmmm, it could be that Mechikabura is very powerful, stronger than Demigra.

No way Chronoa fooled everyone and was brainwashed intentionally eh? Anyway. One more question, when the demons achieve the 2 forms of Demon God, do they gain access to God Ki? Everyone seems to say so, but has there been any reference for that from the game? I trust your judgment.

I think that could work if Mechikabura is reveal later to be a Makaioshin instead of a Overload Demon.

I am kinda disappointed that no reference to the Makaios and the Makaioshins has been made yet, despite having everything ready. Such a waste of ideas and opportunities. Anyway, Say he is a Makaioshin, he would naturally have both Ki variants within him. Meaning that his magic could penetrate the defense of a god Ki using entity?

[Bebi Hatchiyack]

Let's giving them time I'm sure we will come across the Makaios and Makaioshins soon.

[Rakurai]

Oof, I completely forgot that Chronoa is a god. Still, how come she didn't resist to the magic? Doesn't seem right to me. It was pretty much established in Xenoverse that God Ki remains unnafected from magic. Hmmm, it could be that Mechikabura is very powerful, stronger than Demigra.

No way Chronoa fooled everyone and was brainwashed intentionally eh? Anyway. One more question, when the demons achieve the 2 forms of Demon God, do they gain access to God Ki? Everyone seems to say so, but has there been any reference for that from the game? I trust your judgment.

We don't know what happened after Kaioshin of Time sealed Mechikaboola in the Time Labyrinth along with herself. She may have very well struggled before succumbing, all we know is that she ended up brainwashed by him. And it goes without saying that current young Mechikaboola's power is much greater than current Demigra's, otherwise there would be no need to team up with the Time Patrol or try to save Kaioshin of Time.

I mean... I'm not even sure if demon god ki is the same as the god ki used by SSG/B and the GoDs. If they are demon "gods" then it stands to reason that they should also have god ki since even Dende and the Kaioshins do but the game hasn't been explicit about such a comparison. DBS anime takes it even a step further and creates "Destruction energy" which is used for Hakai and by GoD Toppo (in the manga, there is no such thing and it's all just god ki, CSSB Goku is able to use Hakai albeit slowly).

[Grand Marshal 1]

Oof, I completely forgot that Chronoa is a god. Still, how come she didn't resist to the magic? Doesn't seem right to me. It was pretty much established in Xenoverse that God Ki remains unnafected from magic. Hmmm, it could be that Mechikabura is very powerful, stronger than Demigra.

No way Chronoa fooled everyone and was brainwashed intentionally eh? Anyway. One more question, when the demons achieve the 2 forms of Demon God, do they gain access to God Ki? Everyone seems to say so, but has there been any reference for that from the game? I trust your judgment.

We don't know what happened after Kaioshin of Time sealed Mechikaboola in the Time Labyrinth along with herself. She may have very well struggled before succumbing, all we know is that she ended up brainwashed by him. And it goes without saying that current young Mechikaboola's power is much greater than current Demigra's, otherwise there would be no need to team up with the Time Patrol or try to save Kaioshin of Time.

I mean... I'm not even sure if demon god ki is the same as the god ki used by SSG/B and the GoDs. If they are demon "gods" then it stands to reason that they should also have god ki since even Dende and the Kaioshins do but the game hasn't been explicit about such a comparison. DBS anime takes it even a step further and creates "Destruction energy" which is used for Hakai and by GoD Toppo (in the manga, there is no such thing and it's all just god ki, CSSB Goku is able to use Hakai albeit slowly).

Are you suggesting that there is a possibility for demons to use a different variant of God Ki? Interesting. As for the Energy of Destruction, I think that it is something that anyone can access after some point. They clearly need God Ki for it to function though, because SSJ4 KK Gogeta Xeno, is undoubtedly stronger than first appearance Perfected Blue Goku. On top of that, it is something an individual can choose to have. Toppo and Jiren went above Perfected Blue level and the latter chose not to use the Energy of Destruction. Finally, I am quite confident that Jiren has acquired God Ki, by the looks of his aura.

To be honest, I can't be sure, can I? Apparently even Majin Buu had some God Ki within him. I haven't even determined yet if the "demon" Ki (assuming they have their own unique variant) is like the "evil" Ki (which itself can be either unique per user, like Cumber, the Shadow Dragons, the Tuffles (Baby and Hatchiyak) or the same to all).

[Rakurai]

Are you suggesting that there is a possibility for demons to use a different variant of God Ki? Interesting. As for the Energy of Destruction, I think that it is something that anyone can access after some point. They clearly need God Ki for it to function though, because SSJ4 KK Gogeta Xeno, is undoubtedly stronger than first appearance Perfected Blue Goku. On top of that, it is something an individual can choose to have. Toppo and Jiren went above Perfected Blue level and the latter chose not to use the Energy of Destruction. Finally, I am quite confident that Jiren has acquired God Ki, by the looks of his aura.

To be honest, I can't be sure, can I? Apparently even Majin Buu had some God Ki within him. I haven't even determined yet if the "demon" Ki (assuming they have their own unique variant) is like the "evil" Ki (which itself can be either unique per user, like Cumber, the Shadow Dragons, the Tuffles (Baby and Hatchiyak) or the same to all).

Yes there is a possibility. Tho ofc if later on the other Demon gods and Mechikaboola are able to sense SSG XTrunks, then it stands to believe that they also have god ki.

There isn't any proof that Jiren has god ki, not by Belmod or any other characters. He's just absurdly strong and strength is all he believes in. In his backstory, Gitchin his master made him join the Pride Troopers to learn the importance of teamwork bc of that reason.

[Grand Marshal 1]

Are you suggesting that there is a possibility for demons to use a different variant of God Ki? Interesting. As for the Energy of Destruction, I think that it is something that anyone can access after some point. They clearly need God Ki for it to function though, because SSJ4 KK Gogeta Xeno, is undoubtedly stronger than first appearance Perfected Blue Goku. On top of that, it is something an individual can choose to have. Toppo and Jiren went above Perfected Blue level and the latter chose not to use the Energy of Destruction. Finally, I am quite confident that Jiren has acquired God Ki, by the looks of his aura.

To be honest, I can't be sure, can I? Apparently even Majin Buu had some God Ki within him. I haven't even determined yet if the "demon" Ki (assuming they have their own unique variant) is like the "evil" Ki (which itself can be either unique per user, like Cumber, the Shadow Dragons, the Tuffles (Baby and Hatchiyak) or the same to all).

Yes there is a possibility. Tho ofc if later on the other Demon gods and Mechikaboola are able to sense SSG XTrunks, then it stands to believe that they also have god ki.

There isn't any proof that Jiren has god ki, not by Belmod or any other characters. He's just absurdly strong and strength is all he believes in. In his backstory, Gitchin his master made him join the Pride Troopers to learn the importance of teamwork bc of that reason.

Yeah, I guess you are right. I just saw Jiren's aura and it seems godly. A visual characteristic of course.