Simply put, SSG has made much bigger feats and has faced enemies that also rank far above any GT enemy (in terms of capacity and what they can do). And since SSB has already been shown to be much stronger than God, there is no need for it to nearly destroy the universe in a fight so that this form is also placed above SSJ4 (the same SSG that made the universe tremble in exchange of punches performed ridiculously against Jiren compared to SSB, obviously).Hugo Boss wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:56 amWhat are you talking about?TheSaiyanGod wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:53 pm there are direct comparisons between SSG and SSB facing the same enemies, which have totally different levels than what was shown in GT and that would be enough to put both forms above SSJ4
And if I'm not mistaken, in XV2 there is a line of Gotenks that says SSG was a transformation above SSJ4. Generally, when SSJ4 and SSB are placed at the same level it is in DBH (with more powerful versions of GT Goku)
There is nothing to indicate that Golden Freeza> SSB Vegeta.ZombieVito wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:42 pmBase Toppo was on par with Blue Vegeta who is weaker than Freeza.TheSaiyanGod wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:53 pmYes, there are no more clashes that make the universe tremble, but there are direct comparisons between SSG and SSB facing the same enemies, which have totally different levels than what was shown in GT and that would be enough to put both forms above SSJ4Hugo Boss wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:19 am
I don’t put much stock on those feats from Battle of Gods Arc. SSBlue+ level clashes, which are supposed to be far above that level, can’t create the same kind of colateral damage in the universe, so I think the idea that they can do that was totally discarded after that point. SSGod is merely stronger than Super Vegetto from Boo Arc, that’s what I think.
Well, Golden Freeza never faced base Toppo in a direct fight, just took advantage that he was facing 17, so I wouldn't say he's stronger.
It's not a big difference but it's there.
Actually, SSB Vegeta overwhelmed Toppo more easily than SSB Goku. He did it while ignoring him almost completely and focusing only on the fight between Goku and Kefla. And we know that Pre ToP SSB Goku = Golden Freeza.