The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:23 pm

Zamasu55 wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:23 pm
Hugo Boss wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:34 am I guess he is around God of Destruction level. Since he can’t sustain his power for long, I think Beerus can beat him.
How?

Base Cumber was pretty much stronger than a post ToP SsjB KK Vegito, which is stronger than SsjB Gogeta who's much stronger than Beerus.

Golden Metal Cooler literally mopped the floor with Ssj3 Cumber.
SS3 Full Power Cumber is on par with Hakaishin Mode Top. Golden Meta Cooler is stronger than SS3 Cumber, but he malfunctioned in that fight.

By the way, SSBlue Kaioken Vegetto is on par with Golden Great Ape Cumber.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:51 pm

Hugo Boss wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:23 pm
Zamasu55 wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:23 pm
Hugo Boss wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:34 am I guess he is around God of Destruction level. Since he can’t sustain his power for long, I think Beerus can beat him.
How?

Base Cumber was pretty much stronger than a post ToP SsjB KK Vegito, which is stronger than SsjB Gogeta who's much stronger than Beerus.

Golden Metal Cooler literally mopped the floor with Ssj3 Cumber.
SS3 Full Power Cumber is on par with Hakaishin Mode Top. Golden Meta Cooler is stronger than SS3 Cumber, but he malfunctioned in that fight.

By the way, SSBlue Kaioken Vegetto is on par with Golden Great Ape Cumber.
I'm talking about the anime mate, not the manga.

Toppo never goes God Mode in the anime. And Vegito was at a disadvantage against the Evil Saiyan.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:35 am

Zamasu55 wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:51 pm
Hugo Boss wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:23 pm
Zamasu55 wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:23 pm

How?

Base Cumber was pretty much stronger than a post ToP SsjB KK Vegito, which is stronger than SsjB Gogeta who's much stronger than Beerus.

Golden Metal Cooler literally mopped the floor with Ssj3 Cumber.
SS3 Full Power Cumber is on par with Hakaishin Mode Top. Golden Meta Cooler is stronger than SS3 Cumber, but he malfunctioned in that fight.

By the way, SSBlue Kaioken Vegetto is on par with Golden Great Ape Cumber.
I'm talking about the anime mate, not the manga.

Toppo never goes God Mode in the anime. And Vegito was at a disadvantage against the Evil Saiyan.
You didn’t specify you were talking about the anime in the original post. Anyway, I think the anime is very inconsistent in the strength matter. Goku and Vegeta shouldn’t need to fuse against Base Cumber. He is just a little stronger than SSBlue.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Grand Marshal 1 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:22 am

Hugo Boss wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:35 am
Zamasu55 wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:51 pm
Hugo Boss wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:23 pm
SS3 Full Power Cumber is on par with Hakaishin Mode Top. Golden Meta Cooler is stronger than SS3 Cumber, but he malfunctioned in that fight.

By the way, SSBlue Kaioken Vegetto is on par with Golden Great Ape Cumber.
I'm talking about the anime mate, not the manga.

Toppo never goes God Mode in the anime. And Vegito was at a disadvantage against the Evil Saiyan.
You didn’t specify you were talking about the anime in the original post. Anyway, I think the anime is very inconsistent in the strength matter. Goku and Vegeta shouldn’t need to fuse against Base Cumber. He is just a little stronger than SSBlue.
I used to think of the anime as my main power scale. Thing is, I was wrong. After I took some time to examine the game's dialogues, I found out many interesting things. I actually have Base Cumber around 50% SSJG (in game) a bit of a low ball, but only this way does it work out for him to advance as far as Golden Great Ape, SSJ3 and SSJ3 FP and be strong but still incapable of blowing away with a single punch GoD Toppo, or God Goku and Golden Cooler. Interestingly enough, in the game Cumber despite being stated as very strong, has fled from our heroes twice. He backed off like a coward, when he later said things about Saiyan Pride, when he could go from his Restrained form to Base whenever he wanted. Thus the lowball.

The combined might of Cumber, Neo Merged Zamasu and Hearts was perhaps slightly below SFP/LB Jiren. I have posted a detailed explanation of what I think of each Core Area Warrior in the "Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread" if you want to take a look, without me repeating and filling the threads.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:23 am

1. Arale vs FPssj Broly? (I know a weird question)

2. Devilman vs Old Moro? (Can devilman hit him with his beam, before Moro kills him?)

3. 17 vs Younger Moro? (Not Prime)

4. Base Gogeta (Cell) vs Fp Cell? (Not SP)

5. Hit vs Ssj Broly?

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Post by Koitsukai » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:59 pm

Berserker1921 wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:23 am 1. Arale vs FPssj Broly? (I know a weird question)

2. Devilman vs Old Moro? (Can devilman hit him with his beam, before Moro kills him?)

3. 17 vs Younger Moro? (Not Prime)

4. Base Gogeta (Cell) vs Fp Cell? (Not SP)

5. Hit vs Ssj Broly?
1- Arale has the strongest plot armor in the show, strongest than Goku.

2- Moro. If Devilman's ability was that strong, he would at least ruled Earth. Even if it was, Moro can move faster than Devilman's beam.

3- I'm going with the android. His infinite energy might make Moro stronger when absorbing, but not 17 weaker, and the difference between a Kaioshin tier and a SSGod-Blue tier is vast. If 17 wastes no time, of course.

4- Base Gogeta. Even if the fantheory about a fusion being as strong as their fusees strongest forms was wrong, I see Base Gogeta on par at least with initial Perfect Cell. Come to think about it, maybe he needs SS? or some form of Kaioken.

5- I was thinking about this one yesterday. Broly is massively stronger but he is just not smart/experienced enough to counter the Time Skip or even understand what's going on. Jiren had the upper hand not just because of his strenght but he could easily read the Time Skip, Vegeta failed to do so, and Goku needed some time. Broly would never, specially with his out of control white eyes. I'm going with Hit.

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Post by SSJgogeto » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:17 pm

Android 21 (Transformed) VS Future Zamasu - Zamasu
Super Perfect Cell VS Majin Buu (Good Buu) - Buu
Future Gohan (Super Saiyan 3, both arms), Future Trunks (Super Saiyan 2) VS Goku Black (Base/Saiyan Beyond God) - Goku Black
All of GT's enemies (except from the major villains) VS Goku (Resurrection F, Super Saiyan 3) - GT's enemies
Broly (Wrathful/Ikari Stage I) VS Gohan (Ultimate) - Broly
Caulifla (Super Saiyan 2), Cabba (Super Saiyan 2), Kale (Berserk Super Saiyan 2/"Legendary" Super Saiyan 2) VS Vegeta (Post-Broly, Super Saiyan God) - Vegeta
Hirudegarn (2nd Form, no weaknesses) VS Ribrianne (Giant Form) - Hirudegarn
Super Janemba (Evil Demon) VS Buuhan (Enraged) - Buuhan
Baby-Hatchiyak (Super form) VS Broly (Legendary Super Saiyan 4/Full Power Super Saiyan 4) - Broly
Goku (Power Stressed Perfected Super Saiyan Blue) VS Kefla (Super Saiyan 2, Max power) - Goku, probably
Launch VS Future Mai - Mai

DCAU Justice League VS Post-Choshinsui Goku - Justice League

Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2 Quake of Fury) VS Goku Black (Base/Saiyan Beyond God) - Goku Black
Gotenks (Super Saiyan 3) VS Freeza (3rd Form, Resurrection F) - Freeza
Future Trunks (Super Saiyan 2 Rage) VS Kale (Berserk Super Saiyan, early ToP) - Trunks
Toppo (Base/Aura of a God, Full Power) VS Goku Black (Enraged Super Saiyan Rose) - Toppo
Adult Super Gohan (Super Saiyan 2, post ToP) VS Adult GT Gohan (Super Saiyan) - GT Gohan
Freeza (True Golden Form) VS Broly (Wrathful/Ikari Stage II) - Freeza
Goku (Super Saiyan 3, BoG) VS Z Broly (Legendary Super Saiyan 3, Second Coming) - Broly
Cumber (Super Saiyan) VS Merged Zamasu (Corrupted, Giant, end of FT Arc) - Zamasu
Super 17 (Pumped up, Max Power, Androids 18,16 and Super 13 absorbed) VS Moro (Prime, Total Magic Power released) - Moro
Adult GT Gotenks (Super Saiyan 4) VS Syn Shenron - Gotenks

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:36 pm

Ultra Instinct Omen Goku (no time limit) vs. Broly at the same level when he fought Gogeta
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1. Young Moro vs Ssj Broly? - Moro
2. Merus vs Dyspo? (The first one to tag each other, wins) - Dyspo
3. GoD Toppo vs Base Gogeta? - Toppo
4. Grand Buu vs Hit? - Buu, probably
5. Jiren (100%) vs SsjB Gogeta? (No kaioken, no ssjbe, no ultra instinct) - Jiren

-A-17 and A-18 vs First Form Cell. - Cell
-Pre Babidi controlled Dabura (assuming Majin grants some boost) vs Pre Majin Vegeta - Vegeta
-Majin Ikose and Majin Idasa vs Kid Goku (first DB arc) - Ikose and Idasa
-Hypothetical Android 35 from the ToP vs Hakaishin Toppo. - 35, probably

Ginyu [Tagoma] vs Cell Jr. - Cell Jr, probably
Gohan [Post Z sword] vs Kid Gohan [Cell Games]. - Gohan (Z sword)
1st Form Freeza [RoF] vs Perfect Cell [Zenkai]. - Freeza
Kuririn [ToP] vs Base Future Trunks [Cell Games]. - Trunks
Tenshinhan [ToP] vs Base Vegeta [Post 1st RoSaT] - Tenshinhan
Base Vegeta [BoG] vs 70% Final Form Freeza [Namek]. - Freeza
Pui Pui vs 1st Form Freeza [Namek]. - Freeza
Piccolo [ToP] vs Base Goku [U6 tournament]. - Piccolo

Slug vs Freeza (which form does Freeza need?) - Second form, maybe third
-Paikuhan vs Dabura - Dabura, probably
-LSS Broly vs Perfect Cell (Super Perfect Cell if needed) - Cell
-Monaka vs Mr. Satan - Satan
-Ice Shadow Dragon (Syn?) vs Majuub - Ice Dragon
-Hirudegan vs the crappy Pride Troopers. - Hirudegarn
-SSBlue Gotenks(ToP arc) vs Golden Freeza - Gotenks

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Grand Marshal 1 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:39 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:36 pm Ultra Instinct Omen Goku (no time limit) vs. Broly at the same level when he fought Gogeta
3rd Omen Goku is pretty much what he could do in the movie in terms of power, but I will buff him just a little more and say that he stomps Broly, with more effort than Gogeta who (for me in Blue) is 3 times stronger. Of course the ability itself, even if incomplete and practically half the thing, would make it look like Goku was even better in handling Broly. His hits would still inflict massive damage to Broly, but I guess he could sustain some more punishment from Omen Goku.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Polyphase Avatron wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:36 pm Ultra Instinct Omen Goku (no time limit) vs. Broly at the same level when he fought Gogeta
I don't see FPSS Broly touching Omen Goku, but I don't see Goku hurting Broly either. He either relaxes and goes beyond, ie. MUI, or runs out of juice and is out. I think it's more likely for Broly to land a hit or a massive ki blast(Kefla almost did) than Omen Goku wearing Broly down or taking him out with one blow. That was the way his fight with Jiren was going anyway, and FPSS Broly should be around that level if not stronger.

Now if it was vs SS Broly, then I see Omen taking it with grace.

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Polyphase Avatron wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:36 pm Ultra Instinct Omen Goku (no time limit) vs. Broly at the same level when he fought Gogeta
Since the anime continuity goku is clearly stronger than broly movie continuity goku than that means ui omen takes it easy.

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Post by Berserker1921 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:56 am

1. Blue Vegito (Black arc) vs FP Broly?

2. Ult. Gohan (ToP) vs Ssj berserk Kale?

3. SsjE Vegeta (ToP), Omen Goku (2nd transformation), GoD Toppo, and Ssj2 Kefla vs SsjB Gogeta? (No Kaioken or SSjBE)

4. Grand Buu vs Aniraza?

5. Jiren (100%) vs all ToP universes teams (no fusions, nothing higher than SsjB power levels)?

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Post by Grand Marshal 1 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:47 am

Berserker1921 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:56 am 1. Blue Vegito (Black arc) vs FP Broly?

2. Ult. Gohan (ToP) vs Ssj berserk Kale?

3. SsjE Vegeta (ToP), Omen Goku (2nd transformation), GoD Toppo, and Ssj2 Kefla vs SsjB Gogeta? (No Kaioken or SSjBE)

4. Grand Buu vs Aniraza?

5. Jiren (100%) vs all ToP universes teams (no fusions, nothing higher than SsjB power levels)?
1)Broly movie Bases are equal to end of ToP Bases for me. No need to confuse it even more. So, that said, Broly's feats only indicated his power (for me) to be KK×10 Blue level. But, given the statements about him and Beerus, I agreed to place him in KK×20 level. It wouldn't change much. I just added an extra power-up to him that happened during his transformation. And then, given how he was said to be able to fight a GoD I decided myself to place him above GoD Toppo who is roughly 30×Blue. So yeah, 3 times power boost for Broly lol. But his FPSSJ will always have a 100×Base multiplier. Blue Vegito is 1st Omen level for me. Had him higher, but statements suggest otherwise. This Broly in the ToP would fit next to Toppo. By that time, 3rd Omen Goku had gotten 20 times stronger from the beginning. So, Omen is 50×Blue for me. So Broly is 10 times stronger than that and thus Vegito Blue. The legendary Saiyan takes it.

2)If this is first appearance Berserk SSJ Kale, then even if she has a rage boost that allows her in her 100×Base form, to go above SSJ3 levels, low SSJG, Ultimate Gohan would have a tough fight. But he constantly evolves. Everyone gets stronger, but Gohan seems to fight a new limit every time he finds a ceiling and then he breaks it. If this is end of ToP Gohan, he has some difficulty early on, but after 5 minutes of fighting, he dominates, enraging Kale even more, her becoming reckless and thus susceptible to Gohan's strikes. He takes it imo.

3)Blue Evolution Vegeta is 40×Blue. Initial Blue Evolution is half that or equal to KK×20. I am using initial Vegeta. GoD Toppo is 30×Blue. 2nd Omen is two times weaker than 3rd Omen. So it is 50×Blue but divide that by 2 and it is 25×Blue. SSJ2 Kefla is roughly 5×SSJB, but say I use her overloaded form and it actually grants her additional power, beyond her multiplier. Say a 4 times boost to elevate her to ×20 Blue level too. Toppo arguably being the strongest, for a result of 95×Blue. But Gogeta is at 150×Blue for me. So, he wins with mild difficulty.

4)Grand Buu seems to draw out of him godly powers on top of the Majin's already SSJ2 level. It is an amplification. I can see him going as far as SSJG due to plot or even SSJB (but really I don't like the idea). Manga Anilaza is taken down by Blue level beings (Kale being one with her feats and the statements). Grand Buu might have a chance. Anime Anilaza is a total monstrosity. Easy win.

5)quoting Jiren "no matter how many Weakling gather, they stand nothing in the face of true power"

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  • Vegito (Super Saiyan God) VS Toppo (GoD Mode)
  • 1000 Metal Coolers (Advanced to defeat 2 SSJs with ease) VS Rilldo (Base)
  • Broly (Wrathful II/Ikari) VS Syn Shenron (Omega/Super)
  • Fin/Dark Gogeta (no Gogeta absorbed) VS Vegito (Super Saiyan Blue)
  • Neo Merged Zamasu (Corrupted Form) VS Goku (Ultra Instinct Omen)
  • Kamioren (Ultimate) VS Cumber (Golden Great Ape)
  • Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2) VS Majin Buu (Fit Buu)
  • Grand Supreme Kai, West, East, North, South Supreme Kais, Kibito VS Super Buu
  • Bojack (Final Form) VS Dabura (Majin, Full Power)

  • Frost (True Golden Form) VS Freeza (Golden Form)
  • Gogeta (Perfected Super Saiyan Blue) VS Goku (Mastered Ultra Instinct, Rage Boost retained)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:15 am

Berserker1921 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:56 am 1. Blue Vegito (Black arc) vs FP Broly?

2. Ult. Gohan (ToP) vs Ssj berserk Kale?

3. SsjE Vegeta (ToP), Omen Goku (2nd transformation), GoD Toppo, and Ssj2 Kefla vs SsjB Gogeta? (No Kaioken or SSjBE)

4. Grand Buu vs Aniraza?

5. Jiren (100%) vs all ToP universes teams (no fusions, nothing higher than SsjB power levels)?
Broly, Gohan, Gogeta, grand buu (manga anilaza is featless), Jiren rapes easily

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Post by Zamasu55 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:48 am

Berserker1921 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:56 am 1. Blue Vegito (Black arc) vs FP Broly?

2. Ult. Gohan (ToP) vs Ssj berserk Kale?

3. SsjE Vegeta (ToP), Omen Goku (2nd transformation), GoD Toppo, and Ssj2 Kefla vs SsjB Gogeta? (No Kaioken or SSjBE)

4. Grand Buu vs Aniraza?

5. Jiren (100%) vs all ToP universes teams (no fusions, nothing higher than SsjB power levels)?
- Considering that SsjBE and SsjB KK Goku don't exist in the movie, I don't think SsjB Gogeta is vastly stronger than Vegito.

- Gohan.

- I'm sure the team can do it. Vegeta and Kefla die though.

- That Buu is certainly not stronger than SsjB like Aniraza was.

- Nobody can do anything to him. Nobody at all.

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Post by Koitsukai » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:28 pm

Berserker1921 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:56 am 1. Blue Vegito (Black arc) vs FP Broly?

2. Ult. Gohan (ToP) vs Ssj berserk Kale?

3. SsjE Vegeta (ToP), Omen Goku (2nd transformation), GoD Toppo, and Ssj2 Kefla vs SsjB Gogeta? (No Kaioken or SSjBE)

4. Grand Buu vs Aniraza?

5. Jiren (100%) vs all ToP universes teams (no fusions, nothing higher than SsjB power levels)?
1- Broly. Jiren's power display from 110 was stated to be the highest display ever, so Vegito Blue should be around that power level.

2- I think Gohan has this covered. He stood up, as best he could, to Toppo, and was stronger than Dyspo who was giving God Goku some trouble. Kale couldn't take tired God Goku with Caulifla's help.

3- I think I'm going with Gogeta Blue. Regular Jiren survived a sort of similar scenario against weaker characters but Gogeta Blue is much stronger. Gogeta ends up battered though.

4- Only in the manga Grand Buu can win.

5- Jiren without breaking a sweat. He needs a little more than shown in 111 against Hit because he could've been thrown out, but not that much. Hit, Goku, Vegeta, Freeza... he shouldn't have much trouble.

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  • Vegito (Super Saiyan God) VS Toppo (GoD Mode)
  • 1000 Metal Coolers (Advanced to defeat 2 SSJs with ease) VS Rilldo (Base)
  • Broly (Wrathful II/Ikari) VS Syn Shenron (Omega/Super)
  • Fin/Dark Gogeta (no Gogeta absorbed) VS Vegito (Super Saiyan Blue)
  • Neo Merged Zamasu (Corrupted Form) VS Goku (Ultra Instinct Omen)
  • Kamioren (Ultimate) VS Cumber (Golden Great Ape)
  • Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2) VS Majin Buu (Fit Buu)
  • Grand Supreme Kai, West, East, North, South Supreme Kais, Kibito VS Super Buu
  • Bojack (Final Form) VS Dabura (Majin, Full Power)

  • Frost (True Golden Form) VS Freeza (Golden Form)
  • Gogeta (Perfected Super Saiyan Blue) VS Goku (Mastered Ultra Instinct, Rage Boost retained)
1- I think Toppo. ToP Vegito Blue I have at best like 3rd Omen, I think Toppo is closer to it than Vegito's god form.
2- 1000 fighters way above SS2 tier are too much. Base Rildo folds.
3- Broly destroys him, he doesn't even let Syn Shenron cheat or do low stuff.
4- don't know what Fin is, pass.
5- Omen Goku.
6- Cumber
7- Nowadays SS2 Vegeta shouldn't have a problem.
8- Super Buu kills them all. They hardly survived against Kid Buu. Maybe Grand Kai has some magic up his sleeve, but powerwise they all are done for.
9- Tough one, I'm going with Dabura, he gave SS2 Trunks some fight, Bojack was just trash next to Gohan.
10- I think Freeza. But if Frost has control of the form while Freeza doesn't, then Frost should win in the end.
11- MUI Son Goku.

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Post by SSJgogeto » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:47 pm

Ultra Instinct Omen Goku (no time limit) vs. Broly at the same level when he fought Gogeta - Goku

1. Blue Vegito (Black arc) vs FP Broly? - Broly, maybe
2. Ult. Gohan (ToP) vs Ssj berserk Kale? - Gohan
3. SsjE Vegeta (ToP), Omen Goku (2nd transformation), GoD Toppo, and Ssj2 Kefla vs SsjB Gogeta? (No Kaioken or SSjBE) - The team
4. Grand Buu vs Aniraza? - Grand Buu
5. Jiren (100%) vs all ToP universes teams (no fusions, nothing higher than SsjB power levels)? - Jiren

Vegito (Super Saiyan God) VS Toppo (GoD Mode) - Toppo
1000 Metal Coolers (Advanced to defeat 2 SSJs with ease) VS Rilldo (Base) - Rilldo
Broly (Wrathful II/Ikari) VS Syn Shenron (Omega/Super) - Broly
Fin/Dark Gogeta (no Gogeta absorbed) VS Vegito (Super Saiyan Blue) - Vegito
Neo Merged Zamasu (Corrupted Form) VS Goku (Ultra Instinct Omen) - Goku
Kamioren (Ultimate) VS Cumber (Golden Great Ape) - Kamioren
Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2) VS Majin Buu (Fit Buu) - Buu
Grand Supreme Kai, West, East, North, South Supreme Kais, Kibito VS Super Buu - Super Buu
Bojack (Final Form) VS Dabura (Majin, Full Power) - Dabura
Frost (True Golden Form) VS Freeza (Golden Form) - Freeza
Gogeta (Perfected Super Saiyan Blue) VS Goku (Mastered Ultra Instinct, Rage Boost retained) - Goku

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Post by DestructoDisc » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:25 pm

The Ginyu Force vs Dr. Gero's door
Shisami vs Android 16
SSJ Nappa (Saiyan saga) vs Third Form Freeza
ChiChi vs Spopovich
ToP Piccolo vs Present Zamasu
Anilaza vs SSBE Vegeta
Perfect Cell vs SSJ Gotenks
Shin vs 3 Cell jrs.
End of GT Krillin vs Ultimate/Mystic Gohan (Buu saga)

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Post by Grand Marshal 1 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:45 pm

DestructoDisc wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:25 pm The Ginyu Force vs Dr. Gero's door
Shisami vs Android 16
SSJ Nappa (Saiyan saga) vs Third Form Freeza
ChiChi vs Spopovich
ToP Piccolo vs Present Zamasu
Anilaza vs SSBE Vegeta
Perfect Cell vs SSJ Gotenks
Shin vs 3 Cell jrs.
End of GT Krillin vs Ultimate/Mystic Gohan (Buu saga)
1)I am quite certain that the door will actually hold out. Guldo is useless against such an opponent, and so it Burter. Ginyu could probably change with the door to become stronger. Recoome and Jeice might be able to punch it a few times. The door actually stomps.

2)Seeing how Tagoma received special training, but even then he was jealous of Shisami's status, I think that the latter shouldn't be that far away. Lowballing him to Perfect Cell level, Super Perfect if needed. Tagoma was Ultimate level. So yeah, a speculation but I guess an acceptable one. He wins. Unless if 16 is still alive somewhere doing the ranger. Then he defeats even Jiren.

3)SSJ Nappa would pretty much be at his limits to just catch up with an initial 3rd Form Freeza. After an intense battle, Nappa will only be at the 60-70% of the tyrant's power, thus this would end similarly to Goku VS Freeza. Bloody, but the one with the advantage takes it.

4)Weeeeell,it isn't like I don't trust ChiChi's power, but truly, if she at the very least did the same training with Videl, she would produce a result. Spopovich stomps even if he isn't a Majin I believe. Now Majin Chichi takes down even Buuhan, with her infinite potential.

5)This Piccolo was on par with pre-Ultimate SSJ2 Gohan. So, if Gohan is at the same level since Resurrection F, then Goku in SSJ should take him on with ease. I can see him having to tap into SSJ2 against Piccolo. Assuming that this Piccolo also gets 2-3 times stronger in the Tournament (which he doesn't but ok) then, he might be able to land a score on Zamasu. Zamasu goes all serious, but even though he is a prodigy fighter, Piccolo has gone through more battles. His experience gives him the win. Seeing how he is respectful of the Supreme Kais though, I can see him hesitating and thus losing. Can go either way.

6)By this point, Anilaza is being measured of by the end of ToP Bases of our characters. They are at their peak. Initial Blue Evolution Vegeta takes him on, no problem. Anilaza for me stands roughly at KK×5 Blue, above SSJ2 Kefla, possibly equal to SSJ Broly. Vegeta takes it. Empowered Blue Evolution stomps no sweat.

7)I did my calculations and Gotenks in Base should be 9-10 times stronger than Base Buu saga Goku. His SSJ, rivaling SSJ3 Goku. Yeah, no way will Cell stand up to that. But regeneration is his thing. He is just as lethal and dangerous as Buu in that matter. Best thing for Cell is to get some zenkais. SP Cell is Full Power SSJ Goku (Buu saga) level imo. So with a couple of near death experiences, he can easily reach a state to rival Gotenks in SSJ. Unless he taps in a superior form, he takes it with difficulty the more times passes. But Cell can't go through all these without losing.

8)Have heard that SSJ Goku (Cell Games) and even Perfect Cell held back their true power. Even so, 1 Cell Junior should be SSJ Grade 1 level. And Shin should be compared to the Goku who was holding back imo. So, he may kill a couple, but he will be in a bad shape, so the 3rd one takes him down.

9)Gohan with ease. Krill in showcased absolutely no growth in power. I have seen people saying that even if times passes until GT, everyone gets stronger and I am like "what the hell?". You know that after all this time, you are expected to be Weaker than your young self who fought everyday for a long time. Gohan is above Super Buu, thus equal to initial Majuub from GT. He wins.
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