First of all, so yeah, you were right about the thread lol
p-hyvo wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:59 am
Simile, uub saver BASE gohan. Gohan was in base against rildo and his overconfidence is what gave him problems.
And again, base vegeta > base gohan, obviously, I'm saying only that gohan's Kamehameha<=base vegeta>base gohan, and I don't see any problem with that. Everyone was like shocked, while vegeta not that much I personally think.
Nothing implies that gohan would have been weaKer than uub and base vegeta even as a ssj or ssj2
So the difference isn't that much fundamentally
I answered this in the other thread, so I'll copy and paste it here: I strongly disagree, that implies that Gohan's kamehameha is stronger than punches on their own, which isn't a revelation. A super attack is always stronger than melee attacks. And both were nothing against Super 17.
Uub casually destroying Base Rildo who was about to kill Gohan is something that implies his regular ki blast is too much for the guy Gohan was going to die against. You can believe whatever you want, even that crazy fantheory that Gohan stacks SS ontop of Ultimate(lol) but you should know that is your headcanon and not supported by the show at all.
I won't go back on this topic again, super attacks >> melee attacks.
p-hyvo wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:59 am
1) gohan wasn't untrained at all, in gt perfect files is said that he never stopped training between z and gt
2) trunks'es and goten's power is one of the much things that doesn't make any sense in gt from that standpoint, bit you know what? Is a fighting show. Everyone is as strong as he needs to be relevant for the plot in that moment.
So ok, the are untrained and I give you that, but they are that strong.
If you really want an explanation, I could say like... zenkai after baby saga? It is possible, but still they are that strong, and if it is sensed or not is not my business since I didn't write Dragon ball.
Plus, in the black star Dragon ball arc, trunks is asked if he's the strongest and he says no, then goes on to say that Goku, gohan, piccolo and his father are stronger than him. He doesn't mention buu at all, so we know that BoGT trunks is apparently stronger than good buu alone for a good reason. Is that sensed? Maybe not, but again, the writers wrote that. The think is backed up in dbz too, last episode : after goku's departure, the narrator goes on and tells what happened at the tournament. Goten is shown fighting with pan, this implies that Goten won the previous match and casually, goten's first round was against buu, so base Goten and trunks > good buu isn't a gt thing but a z one and gt perfect files implies that trunks trained at least a bit in between z and gt, he didn't do it that much because of his work , but still he did. E en in the last dbz epidode, Goten and trunks both promised to Goku that they won't neglect their training.
1) That's one of the contradictions of PF. The show supports the writer's statement and contradicts PF's. He did come back as more than Professor Gohan from Baby arc, but as the fight showed, he was the only one who couldn't stand up again, Vegeta, Trunks, Goten and Uub outlasted him.
For instance, in Gohan’s case, there was apparently so much as an “Ultimate Gohan” concept in Dragon Ball Z, where he was a super-warrior with might surpassing Goku, but in GT, he’s a scholar who’s given up fighting almost entirely. But for someone who had given up fighting like that to return to the front lines, I thought that naturally there needed to be quite a bit of drama involved.
source: https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations ... -story-qa/
2) I agree GT is all over the place, but there is nothing there to explain, Goten and Trunks were irrelevant in the show, in the fights and against Super 17. If you will, Uub and them are seen as equally fodder by S-17, they are closer to each other than to Super 17. They were used to buy time.
In the previous arc Majuub's power dwarfed them all, even surpassing SS3 Goku, and nothing points that Goten decided to pick up his training or that Trunks quit Capsule Corp to do that too, on the contraire, Trunks is coming home from work by car, and Goten IIRC goes on dates with Pares after the Baby arc, and didn't she get mad at him for leaving to fight the Hell fighters?. If you want to believe they are stronger because it's a fighting show, be my guest. I, personally need facts or statements to back that up, but that's me.
I don't remember Trunks being asked and answering that, but later on he says Pan may be stronger than him, so how reliable is he? also, the manga didn't have Pan beating Goten, no fight after Goku-Uub was shown. That was just Toei filler.
Goten and Trunks promised that, yes, but they were sent to space BECAUSE they didn't keep that promise.