Some Questions About Beerus & Whis' Fusion.

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Some Questions About Beerus & Whis' Fusion.

Post by theherodjl » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:36 am

Beerus & Whis can evidently fuse as shown in DB Fusions so how exactly does it correlate to Shin? Is "Beeruswhis" considered a Hakaishin and therefore connected to a Kaioshin and susceptible to death if Shin dies? Or since the fusion is part Angel then would Beeruswhis be able to turn back time if Shin died? Or would it disappear like the Angel aspect would? Could the fusion even be allowed to exist since it creates an unnaturally powerful fighter with all the powers, abilities, and duties of two, very important fusees?
What are the full implications of this?
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Re: Some Questions About Beerus & Whis' Fusion.

Post by Lionel » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:13 am

Despite being different varieties of fusion, Namekian and Potara both presented some interesting results concerning the statuses of the fused pairs. Kami's position wasn't inherited by Piccolo but then that was described more as an assimilation rather than being an outright merging of two separate beings into one unique entity. When Elder Kaioshin and the witch merged, he continued to function as a Kaioshin. Similarly, Kibitokai was still deemed a Kaioshin.

If we assume DB Fusions operates on mechanics more similar to Potara then I assume the positive elements of the fusees would dominate. In which case, Whirus might only become inactive, not die or cease to exist. We can assume that time retracing would still be possible.

From a celestial standpoint, Whirus might be seen as an anomaly that violates the natural order of one Hakaishin and one attending angel existing. I could see Daishinkan and Zeno demanding that they find a way to defuse, lest they be erased by the latter.

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Re: Some Questions About Beerus & Whis' Fusion.

Post by theherodjl » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:51 am

Lionel wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:13 am Despite being different varieties of fusion, Namekian and Potara both presented some interesting results concerning the statuses of the fused pairs. Kami's position wasn't inherited by Piccolo but then that was described more as an assimilation rather than being an outright merging of two separate beings into one unique entity. When Elder Kaioshin and the witch merged, he continued to function as a Kaioshin. Similarly, Kibitokai was still deemed a Kaioshin.
The difference it seems is that Beerus & Whis are both members of the highest order among universes, if the Hakaishin is merged with their appointed Angel then that likely has more ramifications than a Kaioshin merging with a witch or a replaceable attendant. Additionally, considering that Kami left his position vacant after permanently merging with Piccolo, does that mean the role of Hakaishin & Angel are now vacant as long as Beeruswhis exists?
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Re: Some Questions About Beerus & Whis' Fusion.

Post by Lionel » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:10 am

theherodjl wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:51 am
Lionel wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:13 am Despite being different varieties of fusion, Namekian and Potara both presented some interesting results concerning the statuses of the fused pairs. Kami's position wasn't inherited by Piccolo but then that was described more as an assimilation rather than being an outright merging of two separate beings into one unique entity. When Elder Kaioshin and the witch merged, he continued to function as a Kaioshin. Similarly, Kibitokai was still deemed a Kaioshin.
The difference it seems is that Beerus & Whis are both members of the highest order among universes, if the Hakaishin is merged with their appointed Angel then that likely has more ramifications than a Kaioshin merging with a witch or a replaceable attendant. Additionally, considering that Kami left his position vacant after permanently merging with Piccolo, does that mean the role of Hakaishin & Angel are now vacant as long as Beeruswhis exists?
It may -- if not from a physiological standpoint then certainly from a positional. I question if Zeno would recognise their authority to carry out the necessary destruction for maintaining balance in the universe. What should be pointed out is that Elder Kaioshin appeared to dominantly retain the features and personality of the Kaioshin. Whirus seems to be more of a direct combination into a unique entity. While he may retain the physical and technical qualities of an angel and Hakaishin, I suppose the hierarchy may not recognise them as such due to their bizarrely amalgamated status.

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Re: Some Questions About Beerus & Whis' Fusion.

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:25 pm

Lionel wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:13 amFrom a celestial standpoint, Whirus might be seen as an anomaly that violates the natural order of one Hakaishin and one attending angel existing. I could see Daishinkan and Zeno demanding that they find a way to defuse, lest they be erased by the latter.
I wouldn't be surprised if Daishinkan had the ability to defuse them himself by just waving his hand or something.
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