Did Gogeta Really Need Super Saiyan 4 Against Omega Shenron?

[Steven Bloodriver]

I am asking this to those interested because of two reasons. The first being SSJ4 Son Goku surpassing Syn Shenron when Son Goku had transformed back into his SSJ4 form after having been given all of the energy (or energies) of SSJ2 Son Gohan, SSJ Trunks, and SSJ Son Goten. And the second reason being SSJ4 Son Goku using his combination of the 10x Kamehameha and the Super Dragon Fist to harm Omega Shenron to the point Omega Shenron was blown the Duck up, despite Omega Shenron being stated to be ten times as strong as Syn Shenron.

[JulieYBM]

Like with all things Dragon Ball and other capitalistic ventures: it was done to sell merchandise.

[ankokudaishogun]

side material states Gogeta SS4 could have really defeated Omega with just a finger

So, no, most likely SS3 Gogeta would have been fine, too. But Goku had to be in SS4 form to fuse with Vegeta so.,...

[Rakurai]

side material states Gogeta SS4 could have really defeated Omega with just a finger

GT Perfect Files II confirms this. This is the most legitimate source for GT aside from the TV series itself.

[Hugo Boss]

I suppose merging with Vegeta would be pratically impossible if they weren’t using SS4 or Potara. Their body size didn’t match in the other forms to make the technique work.

[goku the krump dancer]

Hard to say but to be completely honest I do think its interesting that the first time we lay eyes on Both Gogeta and Vegetto respectively, they're both portrayed as being absolutely dominant in one of their weaker forms in SS1 yet every other time we see them for fan service reasons they're in what can only be described as nearly at or in their strongest forms. I say nearly because in the anime of Super Vegetto doesn't use Kaioken Blue and in the manga he doesn't use Perfected Blue (To our Knowledge). But I guess if you wanna include the Heroes anime Vegetto does use Kaiken Blue and Gogeta will apparently do the same against Hearts. But again.... FAN SERVICE!!

Hugo Boss is on point though, they needed the biggest advantage possible so fusing at SS4 was their best bet. Goku was physically incompatible to Vegeta outside of that form so it doesn't really matter.

[Grimlock]

But again.... FAN SERVICE!!

And your point with that is...?

[goku the krump dancer]

But again.... FAN SERVICE!!

And your point with that is...?

Whaddya mean? Is that all you got out of what I said?

[Grimlock]

I mean I don't understand the point in saying "fan service" (in caps lock) given the context you said. Yes, the first time we see Vegetto and Gogeta they were in their Super Saiyan forms and these days we see them using it with Kaio-ken. So? Is there any problem with that?

[SSJgogeto]

IMO yes, but only because SS3 isn't strong enough.

[theherodjl]

Given that SSJ4 is 10+ times greater than SSJ3 and given that Gogeta was grunting a little bit in thoroughly reducing Omega Shenron to a microscopic level, its entirely possible that SSJ3 Gogeta may not have have been insufficient at eliminating the Dragon. It might have been a case similar to SSJ3 Goku vs Pure Boo in that Omega Shenron's regen would have worked faster than whatever damage SSJ3 Gogeta could inflict.

[goku the krump dancer]

I mean I don't understand the point in saying "fan service" (in caps lock) given the context you said. Yes, the first time we see Vegetto and Gogeta they were in their Super Saiyan forms and these days we see them using it with Kaio-ken. So? Is there any problem with that?

Inherently no not really but kinda, to me anyway. Simply because to a degree part of what made Goku/Vegeta fusions so cool is that they were so dominant without trying, there was always an aura of mystique to them because we would always wonder what it would be like if they truly went all out.

In this new era that the series is in, its chock full of Fan Service and while it's cool to see Gogeta and Vegetto at "full power" in most instances their portrayals have been pretty underwhelming.

[p-hyvo]

Yes. Him being just tens/dozens of times stronger than a normal ssj4 implies that he needed ssj4 against omega

[Hulk10]

But do we know exactly how powerful Omega Shenron is?

[mute_proxy]

He did, because that's the only form that Goku and Vegeta matched sizes in.

[p-hyvo]

But do we know exactly how powerful Omega Shenron is?

Well , yes. Syn=ssj4 , omega= X10 syn

[Hulk10]

But do we know exactly how powerful Omega Shenron is?

Well , yes. Syn=ssj4 , omega= X10 syn

I see thanks.