Super Dragon Ball Heroes (Manga) Discussion Thread

[Block88]

This show is much better than gt or super. I don't understand why people complain when its just fan service and not meant to be taken seriously. Its cool for what it is.

Not really it’s not even well done fan service

and gt or super were "well done fan service" to you?

Don’t care for GT but for super yes it’s Better than heroes

[Majin Demigra]

This isn't Marvel or DC. If the King of All erases you, there's nothing you can do.

It's not exclusive to Marvel or DC or any comic company, it's happened in other manga and anime related medua. Apparently that's not the case since Zamasu came back

It's not canon anyway. It's fan service.

There is no "non canon", there's only a primary canon which is Super. Not a valid excuse.

[Zamasu55]

DB Heroes is not canon.

Zamasu is dead in Super. Zeno erased him for good.

[Majin Demigra]

DB Heroes is not canon.

Zamasu is dead in Super. Zeno erased him for good.

Once again, no singular canon, only a primary canon. This has been established time and time again.

[Grimlock]

only a primary canon. This has been established time and time again.

Mind to provide the source for this "establishment"?

[RichardKing2]

This show is much better than gt or super. I don't understand why people complain when its just fan service and not meant to be taken seriously. Its cool for what it is.

Not really it’s not even well done fan service

and gt or super were "well done fan service" to you?

The worst arcs of Dragon Ball GT and DBS are better than the garbage that is the Heroes Anime. The manga of DB heroes overall, isn't half bad though. Even if I don't like some of the events that transpired(SSJ4 Vegito needing to be saved from Cumber by UI Goku, Fused Zamasu getting rek'd worse than the anime, etc)

[Majin Demigra]

only a primary canon. This has been established time and time again.

Mind to provide the source for this "establishment"?

There has never been an official source that has ever stated, "This is canon, and this is not canon." You'll never hear the word "canon" in any quote in any sort of context. Most quotes "proving" there's a canon such as Toriyama's comments on GT don't confirm there's an established canon. Toriyama himself never stated GT isn't canon, he only called it a "side story", meaning it's just not part of the main story.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... ama-intro/

Xenoverse, Shin Budokai, Heroes and the movies etc are all canon within their own storylines. What "isn't canon" is complete headcanon.

[Zamasu55]

What happened to Universe Survival arc's 10th Chapter?

[Cipher]

Belated chapter summaries for posterity:

Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! Chapter 15 summary:

Spoiler:

The Time Patrol, cooperating with Demigra and Robel, continues its assaults on the six Hell Gates maintaining the barrier to Mechickaboola’s lair in the Demon Realm.

Inside the “Green” Hell Gate, Robel faces Putine, who uses her body-manipulation magic to fling a crowd of unwilling Demon Realm soldiers at Robel, an act she dubs the "Puppet Machine Gun" technique.

One of the soldiers berates Demigra and his followers for being traitors. Robel says that “traitor” is an insult better suited for their side, noting that “Two-Faced Putine” was formerly an underling of Demigra’s. Robel uses her “Time Rail” to reverse the soldiers' movement midair, hurtling them back toward Putine. The group explodes on contact.

Successful in her mission, Robel rejoins Trunks: Xeno and Pan: Xeno in the hub of Hell Gates. She accredits her victory to having spent tens of thousands of years as a spy in the Demon Realm's army.

Robel notices that Gohan: Xeno, Goten: Xeno, and Vegeta: Xeno have all returned as well, and praises them. The group notes that Son Goku: Xeno has yet to return, and Robel teasingly says that perhaps he lost.

In the “Blue” Hell Gate, Goku: Xeno battles Salsa, who uses gales of wind produced by his sword slashes to turn Goku’s ki blasts back at him. Goku rushes in for a physical attack, prompting Salsa to use “Trick of Storm” to summon a gigantic tornado, trapping Goku inside.

As Goku struggles against the whirlwind, Salsa wonders whether Goku will be pushed back and crushed first, or sliced to death by his sword. Salsa rushes toward Goku for the kill.

Goku ducks and calls for the Nyoi Bо̄, strapped to his back, to extend. The weapon catches Salsa in the stomach, pushing him back and causing the tornado to dissipate. Goku turns Super Saiyan and dispatches Salsa with a Kamehameha.

Goku emerges from the Hell Gate and rejoins the others. Now only waiting on Chamel, Pan: Xeno teasingly comments that perhaps he lost, turning Robel’s words back at her. Robel says she might be starting to like Pan’s style.

Chamel emerges from the final Hell Gate battered. He flashes back to Broli: Dark’s emergence, saying that the Saiyan began running wild with no end in sight, forcing even Towa to retreat.

With their seals broken, the Hell Gates crumble. Robel proclaims the first phase of their plan complete, and begins to explain their next move, which will take place once everyone has recovered.

Robel stops talking mid-sentence, and Trunks notices that everyone in the area is suddenly frozen in place. He recognizes this as “Freeze” technique wielded by the Kaiо̄shin of Time.

Trunks looks upward and sees the Kaiо̄shin of Time hovering overhead. He says that they came here to help her. She attributes the ineffectiveness of “Freeze” to the Key Sword Trunks is holding. As a response, she plans to unleash more of her dark power.

Assuming a dark version of her adult form, the Kaioshin of Time unleashes her “Time Clock” attack, sending a barrage of dark arrows toward Trunks. Trunks uses the Key Sword to enter a “time labyrinth,” which displays the Kaiо̄shin of Time’s memories. Through the time labyrinth, Trunks witnesses her struggle against the Demon Gods in the time rift, as well as her brainwashing at the hands of Mechickaboola.

Infuriated, Trunks turns Super Saiyan 3, and uses the Key Sword to cut a path through the Kaiо̄shin of Time’s attacks. He strikes her with the sword, causing the darkness to evaporate from her body.

Returned to normal, the Kaiо̄shin of Time apologizes to Trunks and the others, but Trunks assures her that there is no need. With the Kaiо̄shin of Time restored, Robel proclaims the second phase of their plan complete as well. Now all that is left is to wait for Demigra to return from restoring the Dragon Balls.

Before the group can plan their next move, however, a torrent of energy blasts rains down from the tower in front of them. Mechickaboola stares down.

Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission Chapter 10 summary:

Spoiler:

Hearts arrives on Earth in a spherical glass pod created by Lagss.

In Universe 11, Zamasu sneaks away from the other Core Area warriors’ fight against Jiren and enters the crystalline structure housing the Universe Seed. Though dismissive of Jiren as a genuine threat, he does consider him troublesome enough to want to take some of the Universe Seed’s power for himself.

Seeing how much the seed’s power has grown, Zamasu proclaims his allegiance with Hearts over. Using the seed, he can now destroy all who oppose him.

Zamasu’s body is suddenly overtaken by liquid glass rising from the floor. Lagss emerges and re-encases the Universe Seed in a prism. Lagss says the seed belongs to Hearts, calling Zamasu a traitor. Zamasu states that he and Hearts have simply been using each other from the start.

Struggling against the glass, Zamasu vows to use the seed to end both Lagss and Hearts. Before can finish his threat, he is sliced in half by Trunks. With Zamasu bisected and encased in glass, Trunks proclaims that no matter how immortal he may be, this is the end for his foe.

Trunks notices that his sword has also begun to be encased in glass. Lagss calls him a nuisance. Jiren and Dyspo watch the crystalline structure vanish from outside as they restrain Kamin and Oren, predicting that the remaining enemy troops are headed to Universe 7.

In Universe 7, Hearts surveys his surroundings and notes that though he has landed far from any cities, with his mind-reading abilities, he can “hear” what he considers the struggling voices of unliberated people calling out. Goku, Vegeta, and the Shin of Universe 7 arrive to confront him.

The Kaiо̄shin demands to know what Hearts intends to do with the technology he took from Universe 3.

Hearts says his goal is to bring “freedom” to humanity, which has been oppressed by the gods. For that purpose, he needs to release the pent-up desires people suppress in their hearts. The technology of Universe 3 can make such a feat possible.

Vegeta cannot understand what Hearts is saying at all.

Mortals live according to the gods’ rules, Hearts continues, while subconsciously suppressing their true desires. Doesn’t the restriction appall them? There must be a way for people to live as they want. Hearts is going to bring humanity’s desires to the surface, and destroy the root cause of the problem: the Omni-King, the highest of gods.

Goku, Vegeta, and the Kaiо̄shin are shocked to hear that Hearts plans to target the Omni-King. Sensing their doubts, Hearts says that he is well aware of the Omni-King's ferocity. However, the energy needed to do so will soon be his.

The Kaiо̄shin takes off toward Bulma’s to begin preparing an evacuation should the worst come to pass. Goku asks Vegeta if they should fight together, but Vegeta prefers a competition to see who can defeat Hearts first.

The two turn Super Saiyan Blue and begin to attack Hearts in tandem. Even being able to read their minds, fighting the two at once proves troublesome. Hearts comments that perhaps he needs a more precise technique.

Hearts forms several energy cubes crackling with electricity, and fires them at Goku and Vegeta, trapping them inside his "Gravity Cages." The cubes contain several hundred times’ Earth’s gravity, and multiply any shocks taken from outside by just as much. Hearts begins slamming the cubes into the surrounding terrain, doing significant damage to the Saiyans.

Hit and Jiren arrive on the battlefield. Jiren vows to repay the Saiyans for their assistance in Universe 11. Hit, bandaged from his earlier injuries, promises the same. Besides, he has his own payback for Hearts, having lost their previous battle. The Fuwa of Universe 6 hides behind a rock formation, repeating to himself that all he did was bring the two to the battle.

Jiren shatters the cubes Goku and Vegeta are trapped in, freeing them. Hearts recognizes Jiren as the rumored strongest in the multiverse. Hearts notes that he should have had allies dealing with Universe 11. Jiren asks him if he means the small fry he took care of earlier.

Hearts determines that Jiren is even stronger than he had “heard,” and traps Jiren in a Gravity Cage. Although he may have been able to destroy them from the outside, it should prove more difficult from within.

Hit rushes at Hearts. Hearts notes that Hit’s earlier attempts to use the Time Skip failed, but Hit catches Hearts in the jaw with a punch, then again with a kick from behind.

Hearts wonders how Hit is able to catch him off-guard despite his ability to read minds. Hit reveals that he is thinking of one attack and switching to another within the .2 seconds afforded by his Time Skip. Hearts marvels at Hit’s ingenuity, as Jiren breaks out of his cube. Hearts is shocked that Jiren managed to break out simply via his own power.

Hit and Jiren close in on Hearts, as a voice tells Hearts not to move. Glass shards shoot up from the ground and form a spiked dome sealing him off from the battle. Inside, Hearts thanks Lagss for saving him. Lagss is thrilled to have been praised by her master.

Lagss reports the fates of the other Core Area warriors—Kamin and Oren, apprehended in Universe 11, Cumber, whisked away from the battle to whereabouts unknown, and Zamasu, terminated by Lagss when he proved traitorous exactly as Hearts had predicted. Hearts laments the unfortunate turn of events, but Lagss comments that she managed to save the most important piece. She produces the Universe Seed, which Hearts notices is now complete.

Outside the dome, Jiren tells the others to get ready to break through the glass and put an end to things all at once.

Hearts emerges from the dome in an explosion of energy, newly strengthened by the Universe Seed.

“Now there’s an idea,” he says. “Let’s finish this all at once.”

[Zamasu55]

It's good to see a bad-ass Jiren in the manga. Shocking Hearts, forcing him to flee and even calling Kamioren a small fry.

Much better than the bland figure we're witnessing in the anime. All he can do is fire ki blasts. Come on.

[Skar]

Do you think it's possible this is a preview of an upcoming saga or movie for DBS? The concept of a multiversal threat that requires the strongest mortals working together sounds like a fitting ending.

[Xeogran]

When is the next chapter?

[Dark_Tzitzimine]

Thanks to Rakurai, Chapter 12 or Dark Demon Realm is translated

https://mangadex.org/chapter/737432/28

[Rouge the Bat]

I like the Universe Mission manga but I prefer the Dark Demon Realm one!!...
Even if the art is not excellent, the characters are full of life and the storyline is interesting!!...
By the way, Dragon Ball's French historical editor, Glénat, told me a few weeks ago that they would make an announcement about the SUPER DB HEROES manga soon : so, like other Europeans countries, I guess it will be released in France (March 2020?!...)...

[Gohan123]

Someone please translate this

https://m.facebook.com/220530438325151/ ... 668169087/

[Dark_Tzitzimine]

You know, just looking at the pictures, I'm pretty underwhelmed by SSG Trunks.

[MisteryOne]

I have only seen the pages of UM so I can't comment on the Dark Realm stuff yet:

The panel with Hearts crying totally got all my attention. He easily has the most potential out of any villain in DB to be truly tragic and his goal actually makes sense so I really can't help but wonder if the manga is at least going to try something with him. It probably will be just a minor thing but hey.

Vegeta going Evolution at the end is also very interesting, mainly because he has not used it until now. Maybe he can't do it at will in this version? It would certainly help to explain why he didn't use it against Cumber in the Prison Planet instead of fusing. Goku has still not used UI either... I wonder if we will see Gogeta without UI beforehand? I would prefer it tbh, not to mention that at this point it would be pretty pointless to bring the form at the end just for it to fail. All things considered I wonder how much "true" liberties the author can take with the story.

[Dark_Tzitzimine]

SDBH got a spot in the Jump Festa poster. That's kind of cool.

[Rakurai]

Nagayama deserves it! He's been working on two concurrent DB series and one of them at least (DDR, Dark Demon Realm) has been fantastic.

Also just as an update, Dark_Tzitzimine and I have been working on providing fan translations of the DDR chapters. We should have Ch. 14 coming up soon.

... Hang on is Luffy on that poster twice? And why is Atem from YuGiOh in it? Didn't the manga end a long time ago?!

[Rakurai]

Ch. 14 translation of the Dark Demon Realm mission is out. TS by Dark_Tzitzimine and TL by yours truly.

https://mangadex.org/chapter/771796/1