"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Rakurai]

Well it was implied that Kid Buu’s Death removed the seal since he mentioned that he regained his magic “A few years ago” and it would make the most sense.

Was it really said he regained his magic a few years ago...?

... and so it was. Huh. Although we can't really be sure that it was kid Buu's death that caused it, since nothing implies that the seal is tied to the user after the fact is done. I mean, Grand Kaioshin sacrificed his god powers at the time to seal Moro, after all. The god power that disappeared with Kid Buu's death should have nothing to do with that.

I do hope that they explain how he regained his powers later on.

[Tai Lung]

There's plenty there from episode 53 of Super. Just check any discussion about episode 53 and you're guaranteed to see some people saying that Zamasu is Goku Black, and he took Gokus body from a different timeline. Just checked that myself. Before that it was just a straight up guess because I believe we had only seen Zamasu carrying tea and not doing anything bad in the slightest. So if somebody guessed that before episode 53 they would have no evidence, which means it would just be a total stab in the dark, somebody may get it right, but people can't be taken seriously when there's next to no evidence to support it. The theories around that time just wouldn't be believable with lack of evidence. Don't get me wrong they could definitely guess it because of how important Zamasu appeared to be in that arc in the opening and appearing in the show for pretty much no reason.. but again it would've been a total guess, and have had no supporting evidence at that time.

where supposedly? in this forum I haven't found it and reddit only one person found that ... without being sure besides it was never a popular theory

Goku black vs Merus mystery.
Didn't people realise who Goku Black actually was really early? Of I remember right it was figure out quite quickly upon seeing Zamasu. The means of how he attained Gokus body was the biggest mystery. I thought the Goten thing was before we had seen Zamasu. And that always seemed to unrealistic anyway.

not really .... people assumed it was goku from another timeline and zamasu a simple ally as dabura

Merus mystery was kept under wraps much longer, but then when it was teased people realised pretty quickly what was up. It was around August people started to click. For the manga to reveal it like it was still a mystery is surprising tbh, they should've told us in September or October really. This website can be viewed so we can see results from 6 months ago (my choice out of the options) on the first page, and looking back through that stuff Merus being an angel wasn't really mentioned at all with any conviction until around August. Before that, time skip was mentioned more commonly due to Vegeta not being able to track him, well that or Toyo being inconsistent. God, I remember the hate well when Merus was doing his thing before people started to click. The angel thing was hard to buy for people because we had never seen an angel who wasn't neutral, and his skin colour was off too, then the fact he was involved in the fights but had to rely on Goku and Vegeta seemed odd. Everything he was showing was countering the points of him being an Angel.
Don't get me wrong the angel thing was brought up, but also shot down quickly by fans due to other things not matching up with what we knew.

Honestly he's been a great thing, we can finally see more about the angels now, and we know why he wasn't acting the way an angel should now.

we must take into account that in the anime it is weekly and the manga it is monthly

They discovered it in January or February and it began to be obvious in May
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gnMUnAJlnk&t=1s

the skin color really has no validity ... the manga is black and white ... even so the merus design is identical to that of the angels ... its absurdly exaggerated power to defeat vegeta and goku base .... impossible for someone who does not exceed frieza especially in the manga where his power is greater with vegeta ssj2 stronger than goku ssj3 ...

his name may not refer to the alcoholic drink but in my opinion it was a play on words too coincidental ...

a character who came out of nowhere because nobody knew him before

Vegeta barely knows him and insists that he hides something, throughout the arc the guy was a Mr perfect without any apparent error in fight or strategy

there is really nothing that contradicts this ..Angels can be sent to fulfill orders by superior beings so whether neutral or not really does not contradict the matter

he know the ultra instinct ... something that nobody in the galactic patrol should know when fighting everyone with weapons


so ... yeah it seems obvious to me because there really is no false clue or something that tells you that merus is a normal being or other thing else quite the opposite of that

[Sora Saiyan]

where supposedly? in this forum I haven't found it and reddit only one person found that ... without being sure besides it was never a popular theory

Look around. I decided to do a search on a few forums and found people mentioning it.
This forum hasn't got the episode 53 thread anymore so here was a dead end.

Merus mystery was kept under wraps much longer, but then when it was teased people realised pretty quickly what was up. It was around August people started to click. For the manga to reveal it like it was still a mystery is surprising tbh, they should've told us in September or October really. This website can be viewed so we can see results from 6 months ago (my choice out of the options) on the first page, and looking back through that stuff Merus being an angel wasn't really mentioned at all with any conviction until around August. Before that, time skip was mentioned more commonly due to Vegeta not being able to track him, well that or Toyo being inconsistent. God, I remember the hate well when Merus was doing his thing before people started to click. The angel thing was hard to buy for people because we had never seen an angel who wasn't neutral, and his skin colour was off too, then the fact he was involved in the fights but had to rely on Goku and Vegeta seemed odd. Everything he was showing was countering the points of him being an Angel.
Don't get me wrong the angel thing was brought up, but also shot down quickly by fans due to other things not matching up with what we knew.

Honestly he's been a great thing, we can finally see more about the angels now, and we know why he wasn't acting the way an angel should now.

we must take into account that in the anime it is weekly and the manga it is monthly

They discovered it in January or February and it began to be obvious in May
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gnMUnAJlnk&t=1s

the skin color really has no validity ... the manga is black and white ... even so the merus design is identical to that of the angels ... its absurdly exaggerated power to defeat vegeta and goku base .... impossible for someone who does not exceed frieza especially in the manga where his power is greater with vegeta ssj2 stronger than goku ssj3 ...

his name may not refer to the alcoholic drink but in my opinion it was a play on words too coincidental ...

a character who came out of nowhere because nobody knew him before

Vegeta barely knows him and insists that he hides something, throughout the arc the guy was a Mr perfect without any apparent error in fight or strategy

there is really nothing that contradicts this ..Angels can be sent to fulfill orders by superior beings so whether neutral or not really does not contradict the matter

he know the ultra instinct ... something that nobody in the galactic patrol should know when fighting everyone with weapons


so ... yeah it seems obvious to me because there really is no false clue or something that tells you that merus is a normal being or other thing else quite the opposite of that

If you're comparing Merus to Zamasu you must also take into account we have seen Merus for every chapter, we rarely had seen Zamasu by the time of episode 53. So when comparing them compare the amount of times they had appeared and not just episodes Vs chapters. Yes Goku black was apart of it, but it was pretty obvious he wasn't just Goku. He acted fuck all like Goku, and not just that but it's confirmed almost right away that he wasn't Goku, because of the fight with Goku in the main timeline. So the missing piece was Zamasu, and when we had finally seen him properly.. well Beerus and Whis basically told us Goku black and Zamasu had the exact same ki, so yeah.. no effort made their to hide it, except for Gokus line about not sensing malice from Zamasu, which we know wasn't true because we see him try to take a dirty shot at Goku.

Dude, one YouTube video changes nothing (also I only know English so posting anything in another language locks me out of listening to a video and seeing if the person is making a good case or not) Prove it by going through multiple forums or such and finding people mentioning it more. It has to be a believable time aswell, back in December of 2018 it wasn't believable that Merus was an angel, too little was revealed about him, and DB designs are a poor reason to argue that Merus was an angel when it's super easy for DB characters to look alike anyway the designs are very simple. You claim he looks like an angel, but why? His hair isn't even the same colour (grey silver instead of white), and neither is his skin. his eyes arent like Whis' or many of the other angels. They're like Vados', but Vados eyes are like #18s. Merus hasn't got a halo either (until now). Honestly DB deigns are too simple to claim that somebody looks like any certain species if the colours don't add up, and they have no distinctive features. Colour wise he's close to Shin.

Well looking around on forums August is the time when people started to click a lot more. Before that people just called him a Gary stu, and complained that Toyo couldn't power scale, and he loves his character too much. Also Time Skip was a leading theory due to Merus not actually beating Goku and Vegeta, but stun gunning them. Then there was moment when Vegeta would lose sight of him and see him somewhere else when he defeated those 3 bandits. It felt more time skip like than pure power. That was really his whole thing at that point. There just wasn't enough evidence that added up with him being an Angel. Once Goku attempted to hit him is when we realise he's likely got UI, and that's when the angel theory's started to flood in.

And if it was obvious to you have you posted saying Merus was definitely an angel instead of complaining about Toyo messing up power scaling and the like on this forum. I'm talking back in May like you're saying, and actually providing a credible reason for believing such.
Looking back on this forum over months next to nobody mentioned Merus being an angel until August.

Merus was an angel that got too involved aswell, we had never seen anything like this prior. It didn't totally add up what he was. He was actively taking part in jobs which we had never seen an angel doing before. Hell he seemed more involved than a GoD... The dude was influencing things in his universe. It just seemed so anti angel.

[Lord Beerus]

Dragon Ball Super Volume 11 first week sales: 119,238

Source: Oricon

[Miracles]

Dragon Ball Super Volume 11 first week sales: 119,238

Source: Oricon

Is that good or bad?

[Lord Beerus]

Dragon Ball Super Volume 11 first week sales: 119,238

Source: Oricon

Is that good or bad?

It's on par for how the manga sells in its first week.

[Tai Lung]

Look around. I decided to do a search on a few forums and found people mentioning it.
This forum hasn't got the episode 53 thread anymore so here was a dead end.

ok then there is no evidence

If you're comparing Merus to Zamasu you must also take into account we have seen Merus for every chapter, we rarely had seen Zamasu by the time of episode 53. So when comparing them compare the amount of times they had appeared and not just episodes Vs chapters. Yes Goku black was apart of it, but it was pretty obvious he wasn't just Goku. He acted fuck all like Goku, and not just that but it's confirmed almost right away that he wasn't Goku, because of the fight with Goku in the main timeline. So the missing piece was Zamasu, and when we had finally seen him properly.. well Beerus and Whis basically told us Goku black and Zamasu had the exact same ki, so yeah.. no effort made their to hide it, except for Gokus line about not sensing malice from Zamasu, which we know wasn't true because we see him try to take a dirty shot at Goku.

Dude, one YouTube video changes nothing (also I only know English so posting anything in another language locks me out of listening to a video and seeing if the person is making a good case or not) Prove it by going through multiple forums or such and finding people mentioning it more. It has to be a believable time aswell, back in December of 2018 it wasn't believable that Merus was an angel, too little was revealed about him, and DB designs are a poor reason to argue that Merus was an angel when it's super easy for DB characters to look alike anyway the designs are very simple. You claim he looks like an angel, but why? His hair isn't even the same colour (grey silver instead of white), and neither is his skin. his eyes arent like Whis' or many of the other angels. They're like Vados', but Vados eyes are like #18s. Merus hasn't got a halo either (until now). Honestly DB deigns are too simple to claim that somebody looks like any certain species if the colours don't add up, and they have no distinctive features. Colour wise he's close to Shin.

Well looking around on forums August is the time when people started to click a lot more. Before that people just called him a Gary stu, and complained that Toyo couldn't power scale, and he loves his character too much. Also Time Skip was a leading theory due to Merus not actually beating Goku and Vegeta, but stun gunning them. Then there was moment when Vegeta would lose sight of him and see him somewhere else when he defeated those 3 bandits. It felt more time skip like than pure power. That was really his whole thing at that point. There just wasn't enough evidence that added up with him being an Angel. Once Goku attempted to hit him is when we realise he's likely got UI, and that's when the angel theory's started to flood in.

And if it was obvious to you have you posted saying Merus was definitely an angel instead of complaining about Toyo messing up power scaling and the like on this forum. I'm talking back in May like you're saying, and actually providing a credible reason for believing such.
Looking back on this forum over months next to nobody mentioned Merus being an angel until August.

Merus was an angel that got too involved aswell, we had never seen anything like this prior. It didn't totally add up what he was. He was actively taking part in jobs which we had never seen an angel doing before. Hell he seemed more involved than a GoD... The dude was influencing things in his universe. It just seemed so anti angel.

necessarily ? no ... because of goku's insolent attitude to provoke zamasu to face him and I wouldn't explain why goku black was in the future of trunks making the theory inconsistent

you don't understand spanish? but you can use translator well ... If you want I can look for more ... I tell you that these theories take time
the manga is in black and white .... anyway zamasu and shin are different colors and of the same race
although I have said that many designs are similar ... particularly that of the angels is not repeated ... whose exception are the demons in DB Heros but these are not canon
in the manga they are not very creative with the techniques so time skip was something impossible .... I can give you the reason in the last argument but the fact that merus is kept as someone "mysterious" is what allows us to rule out a more inconsistent I honestly didn't see it as incoherence but as something boring

Anyway, I don't think I have the reason "absolute" ... if someone wants to believe that the mystery of merus is good, it's fine or better than black ok but for me no it is.

[Lord Beerus]

Did a bit of digging and here's how the manga has been doing in terms of sales:

Volume 1 - 310,005
Volume 2 - 284,337
Volume 3 - 236,720
Volume 4 - 267,417
Volume 5 - 331,305
Volume 6 - 216,871
Volume 7 - 208,796
Volume 8 - 314,269
Volume 9 - ???
Volume 10 - 196,204

I couldn't for the life of me find any records of how well Vol. 9 sold.

[TheSaiyanGod]

Did a bit of digging and here's how the manga has been doing in terms of sales:

Volume 1 - 310,005
Volume 2 - 284,337
Volume 3 - 236,720
Volume 4 - 267,417
Volume 5 - 331,305
Volume 6 - 216,871
Volume 7 - 208,796
Volume 8 - 314,269
Volume 9 - ???
Volume 10 - 196,204

I couldn't for the life of me find any records of how well Vol. 9 sold.

There is also this data about the amount of DBS manga sales in 2019

https://mobile.twitter.com/WSJ_manga/st ... 6058447873

For comparison, DBS manga sold 1.3 million copies in 2019, while Boruto sold 600,000 (although Boruto's manga joined V Jump in July)

[Miracles]

Did a bit of digging and here's how the manga has been doing in terms of sales:

Volume 1 - 310,005
Volume 2 - 284,337
Volume 3 - 236,720
Volume 4 - 267,417
Volume 5 - 331,305
Volume 6 - 216,871
Volume 7 - 208,796
Volume 8 - 314,269
Volume 9 - ???
Volume 10 - 196,204

I couldn't for the life of me find any records of how well Vol. 9 sold.

There is also this data about the amount of DBS manga sales in 2019

https://mobile.twitter.com/WSJ_manga/st ... 6058447873

For comparison, DBS manga sold 1.3 million copies in 2019, while Boruto sold 600,000 (although Boruto's manga joined V Jump in July)

A little more than a million units. That would be considered popular and a good mark I guess.

[Zarely]

Dragon Ball Super Volume 11 first week sales: 119,238

Source: Oricon

Is that good or bad?

Well that's 119,000 from 3 days of sales. Volume 5 sold 121,000 from 3 days of sales so it's pretty consistent after all this time.

[DiscountDabi]

Remember that time when people wanted Moro to have Janemba level reality warping magic that would have completely undermined the energy absorption powers that made him so dangerous to go against in the first place? Those where fun times.

[TKA]

Did a bit of digging and here's how the manga has been doing in terms of sales:

Volume 1 - 310,005
Volume 2 - 284,337
Volume 3 - 236,720
Volume 4 - 267,417
Volume 5 - 331,305
Volume 6 - 216,871
Volume 7 - 208,796
Volume 8 - 314,269
Volume 9 - ???
Volume 10 - 196,204

I couldn't for the life of me find any records of how well Vol. 9 sold.

There is also this data about the amount of DBS manga sales in 2019

https://mobile.twitter.com/WSJ_manga/st ... 6058447873

For comparison, DBS manga sold 1.3 million copies in 2019, while Boruto sold 600,000 (although Boruto's manga joined V Jump in July)

A little more than a million units. That would be considered popular and a good mark I guess.

That's extremely popular, actually.

[Michsi]

It's good but I wouldn't say extremely popular. I actually thought it had passed the 1 mill mark a long time ago

I'm really curious if the worldwide release of Manga Plus will affect the sales and general popularity. DBS is doing well and always in the top 10.

[GodVegetto91]

"Spirit Control" is basically "Ki Quality Control". I wonder how it will apply to God Ki?

That said, an issue I have with this arc is... Goku and Vegeta are just too strong for the rest of the galaxy so it's impossible to actually understand if those convicts are something strong or random chumps.
They should have brought Krilin or Tenshinhan with them, to give us better understanding of the scale

It will be the TRUE version of God ki. In its purest, most natural form.

God ki = Perfect Ki Control (To the utmost limit).

That’s why it cannot be sensed. Since it’s hidden so deep within your body, that there’s ZERO ki leakage.

As for why some Gods have aura’s, well, these are holographic ones (not real energy) since that’s within their bodies. It’s like a projection of what’s going on INSIDE their bodies.

[Miracles]

There is also this data about the amount of DBS manga sales in 2019

https://mobile.twitter.com/WSJ_manga/st ... 6058447873

For comparison, DBS manga sold 1.3 million copies in 2019, while Boruto sold 600,000 (although Boruto's manga joined V Jump in July)

A little more than a million units. That would be considered popular and a good mark I guess.

That's extremely popular, actually.

Oh, Thanks. I'm glad the manga is popular.

[TheSaiyanGod]

It's good but I wouldn't say extremely popular. I actually thought it had passed the 1 mill mark a long time ago

I'm really curious if the worldwide release of Manga Plus will affect the sales and general popularity. DBS is doing well and always in the top 10.

This data is only for total sales in 2019. So maybe in other years previous volumes have also accumulated 1 million units sold.

[Zelvin]

It will be the TRUE version of God ki. In its purest, most natural form.

God ki = Perfect Ki Control (To the utmost limit).

That’s why it cannot be sensed. Since it’s hidden so deep within your body, that there’s ZERO ki leakage.

As for why some Gods have aura’s, well, these are holographic ones (not real energy) since that’s within their bodies. It’s like a projection of what’s going on INSIDE their bodies.

This is why I view the whole thing as absolute nonsense and just a regression. Because the whole thing about Super Saiyan Blue was having perfect ki control. That's what made it possible for Goku to use Kaioken on top of SSB. Once you take that away and say it's not "True" ki control, then it makes the entire form absolutely useless and contradicts everything Goku and Vegeta have learned up to this point. FFS, it's the basics of what Goku and Vegeta had to learn when Whis dumped them into that Godly dimension where they couldn't move or do anything until they learned to control their ki and keep it all inside without leaking out. IE; Perfect Ki Control.

I also find it incredulous that Instant Transmission is the Easiest technique to learn and that somehow Gigantism is harder. The thing Piccolo did at the 23rd Budokai. And duplication as well. Something that, once again, Piccolo used against Frost in the U6 Tournament. If "Spirit Control" is what's needed to gain True Ki Control and have godly power, then Piccolo should be the strongest person in the whole series.

[Rakurai]

This is why I view the whole thing as absolute nonsense and just a regression. Because the whole thing about Super Saiyan Blue was having perfect ki control. That's what made it possible for Goku to use Kaioken on top of SSB. Once you take that away and say it's not "True" ki control, then it makes the entire form absolutely useless and contradicts everything Goku and Vegeta have learned up to this point. FFS, it's the basics of what Goku and Vegeta had to learn when Whis dumped them into that Godly dimension where they couldn't move or do anything until they learned to control their ki and keep it all inside without leaking out. IE; Perfect Ki Control.

I also find it incredulous that Instant Transmission is the Easiest technique to learn and that somehow Gigantism is harder. The thing Piccolo did at the 23rd Budokai. And duplication as well. Something that, once again, Piccolo used against Frost in the U6 Tournament. If "Spirit Control" is what's needed to gain True Ki Control and have godly power, then Piccolo should be the strongest person in the whole series.

The 'perfect ki control' stuff is anime-only. Same thing with the training in the other dimension to hone god ki. That was never a thing in the manga. SSB leaks out ki at a rather fast rate unless you can learn to suppress it (hence, 'completed' SSB).

Gigantism is likely due to the Namekian's special biology. They can fuse with each other easily and have special kinds of Namekians who can also heal. Also having perfect spirit control isn't necessarily the same as controlling the level of ki or raising/suppressing it.

[Zarely]

This new arc got off to a mediocre start. It just felt like one of those old 90's DBZ movies but then it's really picked up since around the time Buu fought Moro.

That said the the biggest weak point of this arc at the moment is that Moro is just so lame. He looked awful at the start but now he looks even worse. He's got a generic bad guy personality. His backstory is paper thin and his magic which was the main thing to set him apart just boils down to absorbing energy and growing stronger from it. Basically like Cell on a much bigger level.

He's just an evil wizard from 10 million years ago who are planets and now he's back. Is that it?