Unpopular DB opinions

[MasenkoHA]

I know you have a big problem with the raspy voice, but I've heard young kids with very raspy voices.

Young kids can have raspy voices. They don’t typically sound like go through 2 packs of cigarettes a day.

[Scsigs]

Her chainsmoker voice was at its worst in the Cell Saga. For god knows whatever reason she was directed to have Gohan sound like Clint Eastwood (and no I’m not making this up she literally said she was told to do this) and it shows how clueless the voice director was on Gohan.

Well, she was also imitating the Canadian VA, but if that's true, that's NOT one of Sabat's better ideas, but it's only shown how he's grown as a director since 1999.

I don’t have a problem with raspy voices. Kara Edwards Goten and Laura Bailey’s Trunks have raspy voices. I have a problem with Nadolny’s chainsmoker Gohan voice and that like half the Funi cast relies on raspy voices. Did Fort Worth have a massive discount on cigarettes in 1999?

Edwards & Bailey toned down the raspiness over time, though. Compare their earlier performances as those characters to their performances in Kai or Battle of Gods. They're SO less raspy & sound much more pleasant than before. I'm willing to bet if Nadolny toned down the rasp for Kai (rather than not come back at how she was being told to play Gohan) & was more willing to do a different take, she'd be redeemed in the people who hate her's eyes.

Like Abed said Luffy is from an entirely different series so who cares? Nadolny uses her Goku voice for the redub era for Gohan. So Clinkenbeard has like one boy voice who cares? At least her acting isn’t horrible like Nadolny?

Do you guys REALLY not see how almost the exact same voice from the same actor between shows can get in the way of enjoying either? If you hear the same exact voice for characters between 2 different properties, it can really get annoying or take you out of the experience. Especially if the voice isn't that good.

I also literally said I don't mind actors doing almost the same voices between projects, but the voices have to not be annoying on some base level. Like, Eric Vale. Almost the same exact voice tone for Sanji as he uses for Trunks. I don't mind because it's a cool voice at its base & he does enough for neither to sound exactly the same as the other. Same with Sonny Strait as Krillin & Usopp. They do enough to make the voices sound distinct despite being based on the same voice tone. With Colleen, unfortunately, the voice just sounds like Luffy (at this point, I've watched more collective One Piece than Dragon Ball, so that's the character I associate the voice with more) & there's little to no variation in the voice tone & delivery for me to see otherwise. It's the same exact problem I have with Nozawa as EVERY member of Goku's family (yes, I know the differences she apparently has in the deliveries, but I don't religiously watch the sub, nor do I speak Japanese fluently enough to notice them, nor do I care because I don't think she should be anyone's voices but Goku's, or possibly Bardock's, so PLEASE don't lecture me on stuff I've already said & seen on this forum before elsewhere & I'll thank you), where it's all a variation on her Goku voice, only for 1 series/franchise, without much in the way of anything being different to someone who more casually watches these shows than the more hardcore crowd. Clinkenbeard's Luffy is inherently annoying already if you don't readily like it (some One Piece fans, including me, do consider her the weakest link of the voice cast), so her voicing Gohan & Goku with almost the same is just not that great. I can get passed it, but it's just a pet peeve I have with the casting choice.

If you don't agree with me, that is FINE. I just ask that this point of view be understood even if you can't accept it.

[ABED]

I know you have a big problem with the raspy voice, but I've heard young kids with very raspy voices.

Young kids can have raspy voices. They don’t typically sound like go through 2 packs of cigarettes a day.

That's hyperbole and yes, I have heard young voices that sound really raspy, almost to the point of sounding like they had perpetual strep throat. It's an odd choice for Gohan, but the issue isn't rasp as such.

Scsigs, we do see it, we just don't see a problem with it. We don't find it annoying. I find it such a silly issue to have that an actor uses the same voice for two different shows. Why are you assuming we don't understand your view?

It's the same exact problem I have with Nozawa as EVERY member of Goku's family (yes, I know the differences she apparently has in the deliveries, but I don't religiously watch the sub, nor do I speak Japanese fluently enough to notice them, nor do I care because I don't think she should be anyone's voices but Goku's, or possibly Bardock's, so PLEASE don't lecture me on stuff I've already said & seen on this forum before elsewhere & I'll thank you), where it's all a variation on her Goku voice, only for 1 series/franchise, without much in the way of anything being different to someone who more casually watches these shows than the more hardcore crowd.

It's not the same issue. Voicing several different characters in the same series is inherently different than using the same voice in different series. The voices ARE different enough for casual Japanese viewers to tell the difference. This isn't a hardcore vs. casual fan issue.

[MasenkoHA]

Well, she was also imitating the Canadian VA, but if that's true, that's NOT one of Sabat's better ideas, but it's only shown how he's grown as a director since 1999.

She sounded nothing like Saffron Henderson especially by the Cell Games.

Do you guys REALLY not see how almost the exact same voice from the same actor between shows can get in the way of enjoying either? If you hear the same exact voice for characters between 2 different properties, it can really get annoying or take you out of the experience. Especially if the voice isn't that good.

Lot of voice actors use the same or similar voices for different stuff so no? I dont even watch One Piece so I care even less.

[WittyUsername]

I don’t understand why people are still even talking about Stephanie Nadolny. She hasn’t been involved in the franchise for 10 years.

[MasenkoHA]

I don’t understand why people are still even talking about Stephanie Nadolny. She hasn’t been involved in the franchise for 10 years.

Because she was still involved in the majority of the old in-house dub excluding the portions that didn’t have Goku or Gohan as kids? So its natural her performance will be brought up?

The Ocean cast is still brought up.

[RisanF]

Gohan's best moment wasn't his fight against Cell, but his fight against Recoome.

I don't know if this is unpopular or not, but Gohan in the Cell fight needed so much help and assistance to get over the finish line. He needed Android 16 and Mr. Satan to compel him to turn Super Saiyan 2, needed Goku for additional encouragement, needed Vegeta for a last-minute distraction, and made strange decisions that only served to hinder his odds. In contrast, Gohan in the Recoome fight toughs it out to the very end against a much stronger opponent, without the usual anger-induced power boosts that seem to come his way.

In general, Gohan is a lot more competent and participatory in the Frieza Saga than what's become the stereotype of him. He's in most of the big fights, and does a decent job carrying the story.

[WittyUsername]

I don’t understand why people are still even talking about Stephanie Nadolny. She hasn’t been involved in the franchise for 10 years.

Because she was still involved in the majority of the pld in-house dub excluding the portions that didn’t have Goku or Gohan as kids? So its natural her performance will be brought up?

The Ocean cast is still brought up.

I get the why the Ocean cast still gets brought up. They’re an entire studio of actors with prolific careers, many of whom are still working today. Plus, many people want to see what the Ocean dub of Kai is like, so that’s something else to talk about. Nadonly hasn’t been involved in anything VA related since she stopped working with FUNimation, outside of a couple of episodes of OK K.O. What more is there to talk about at this point?

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

Gohan's best moment wasn't his fight against Cell, but his fight against Recoome.

I don't know if this is unpopular or not, but Gohan in the Cell fight needed so much help and assistance to get over the finish line. He needed Android 16 and Mr. Satan to compel him to turn Super Saiyan 2, needed Goku for additional encouragement, needed Vegeta for a last-minute distraction, and made strange decisions that only served to hinder his odds. In contrast, Gohan in the Recoome fight toughs it out to the very end against a much stronger opponent, without the usual anger-induced power boosts that seem to come his way.

In general, Gohan is a lot more competent and participatory in the Frieza Saga than what's become the stereotype of him. He's in most of the big fights, and does a decent job carrying the story.

Namek is really where Gohan matures as a character. His empathy, his determination, all of it comes to the forefront. And it plays nicely with Vegeta's observations that while Gohan is strong he's still too inexperienced for combat. The fight against Recoome manages to capture all of Gohan's potential, while still underscoring his shortcomings (namely that he lets his sense of righteousness over power his reason during combat which leaves him open to attacks). I know a lot of people like that Toriyama is an "in the moment writer" and that he doesn't like to g over who/what his characters were an arc ago but it is disappointing seeing Gohan go from this font of potential to probably the series most disappointing fighter.

[MasenkoHA]

I don’t understand why people are still even talking about Stephanie Nadolny. She hasn’t been involved in the franchise for 10 years.

Because she was still involved in the majority of the pld in-house dub excluding the portions that didn’t have Goku or Gohan as kids? So its natural her performance will be brought up?

The Ocean cast is still brought up.

I get the why the Ocean cast still gets brought up. They’re an entire studio of actors with prolific careers, many of whom are still working today. Plus, many people want to see what the Ocean dub of Kai is like, so that’s something else to talk about. Nadonly hasn’t been involved in anything VA related since she stopped working with FUNimation, outside of a couple of episodes of OK K.O. What more is there to talk about at this point?

It’s a Dragon Ball forum. What the actors have done outside of Dragon Ball isn’t going to be typically relevant.

Again Nadolny was involved in a version of the series that at least a majority of the people on this forum have seen a decent amount. Of course her name is going to appear especially on a thread that’s about opinions regarding the franchise. If this was like a Dragon Ball Super specific forum there wouldn’t be much reason for her name to appear on often. But when she voiced the main character and one of the most prominent characters for the dub that has been seen the most on here (outside the Japanese dub) it’s kind of expected.

[RisanF]

Gohan's best moment wasn't his fight against Cell, but his fight against Recoome.

I don't know if this is unpopular or not, but Gohan in the Cell fight needed so much help and assistance to get over the finish line. He needed Android 16 and Mr. Satan to compel him to turn Super Saiyan 2, needed Goku for additional encouragement, needed Vegeta for a last-minute distraction, and made strange decisions that only served to hinder his odds. In contrast, Gohan in the Recoome fight toughs it out to the very end against a much stronger opponent, without the usual anger-induced power boosts that seem to come his way.

In general, Gohan is a lot more competent and participatory in the Frieza Saga than what's become the stereotype of him. He's in most of the big fights, and does a decent job carrying the story.

Namek is really where Gohan matures as a character. His empathy, his determination, all of it comes to the forefront. And it plays nicely with Vegeta's observations that while Gohan is strong he's still too inexperienced for combat. The fight against Recoome manages to capture all of Gohan's potential, while still underscoring his shortcomings (namely that he lets his sense of righteousness over power his reason during combat which leaves him open to attacks). I know a lot of people like that Toriyama is an "in the moment writer" and that he doesn't like to g over who/what his characters were an arc ago but it is disappointing seeing Gohan go from this font of potential to probably the series most disappointing fighter.

Namek was good for a lot of characters. People have complained about Vegeta in the Cell Saga, but a lot of people seem to really enjoy his anti-hero role in the Frieza Saga, where he's scheming, intelligent, but still forced to work with the good guys due to circumstance. Even Goku has a good showing at the very end, and we get one very long fight with him vs. Frieza.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

Because she was still involved in the majority of the pld in-house dub excluding the portions that didn’t have Goku or Gohan as kids? So its natural her performance will be brought up?

The Ocean cast is still brought up.

I get the why the Ocean cast still gets brought up. They’re an entire studio of actors with prolific careers, many of whom are still working today. Plus, many people want to see what the Ocean dub of Kai is like, so that’s something else to talk about. Nadonly hasn’t been involved in anything VA related since she stopped working with FUNimation, outside of a couple of episodes of OK K.O. What more is there to talk about at this point?

It’s a Dragon Ball forum. What the actors have done outside of Dragon Ball isn’t going to be typically relevant.

Again Nadolny was involved in a version of the series that at least a majority of the people on this forum have seen a decent amount. Of course her name is going to appear especially on a thread that’s about opinions regarding the franchise. If this was like a Dragon Ball Super specific forum there wouldn’t be much reason for her name to appear on often. But when she voiced the main character and one of the most prominent characters for the dub that has been seen the most on here (outside the Japanese dub) it’s kind of expected.

I'll say as i have said before it's true that Nadolny's performances weren't the greatest in the initial in house era though with that said i feel like she at least overall fit kid Goku in DB's dub better than as Gohan in Z. The opposite i would say with Colleen as her voice IMO worked better with Gohan in Kai when compared to Goku in the 2010 movie 1 dub and Kai's flashbacks, even if both more or less are just her Luffy voice at least it was fit and altered somewhat with Gohan's character especially early on when he is much younger. I know not everybody will think that, but just giving my own opinion as to her performances in the dub.

[ABED]

Why? What is it about that awful put on voice that anyone thought was remotely appropriate for Goku? As poor an actress as she was, she tried to sound natural as Gohan. I realize Goku can be over the top, but her delivery was so unnatural that she couldn't ground him.

It's unpopular but I like Clinkenbeard's Goku. I've seen some take such a strong stance against it and I don't understand what they are hearing that caused such a negative reaction.

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

Namek was good for a lot of characters. People have complained about Vegeta in the Cell Saga, but a lot of people seem to really enjoy his anti-hero role in the Frieza Saga, where he's scheming, intelligent, but still forced to work with the good guys due to circumstance. Even Goku has a good showing at the very end, and we get one very long fight with him vs. Frieza.

Namek was so break or make for the characters there that, in my opinion, the characters who didn't appear in it, should have stayed dead. There was no coming back from missing such an important arc.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

Why? What is it about that awful put on voice that anyone thought was remotely appropriate for Goku? As poor an actress as she was, she tried to sound natural as Gohan. I realize Goku can be over the top, but her delivery was so unnatural that she couldn't ground him.

It's unpopular but I like Clinkenbeard's Goku. I've seen some take such a strong stance against it and I don't understand what they are hearing that caused such a negative reaction.

I don't know why, though of course she more or less sounded similar as both though her Gohan was worse especially when first taking over the role back in 1999 after the dub went in house.

[MasenkoHA]

Why? What is it about that awful put on voice that anyone thought was remotely appropriate for Goku?

The rougher but still young-ish voice for Goku worked. It’s an obvious put upon voice and I can’t stress enough
she can’t act but the voice she uses for Goku is fine if she was ever able to deliver her lines in a believable manner.

As poor an actress as she was, she tried to sound natural as Gohan.

What about her Gohan sounded natural? The only English voice actress for Gohan that sounded remotely natural was Henderson.

It's unpopular but I like Clinkenbeard's Goku. I've seen some take such a strong stance against it and I don't understand what they are hearing that caused such a negative reaction.

I disliked it at first but after giving Curse of the Blood Rubies redub another go not too long ago I got used to it and prefer it over Nadolny. I would be for a Dragon Ball redub with Clinkenbeard and Rial even if I liked Henderson and Lindjberg better.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

Why? What is it about that awful put on voice that anyone thought was remotely appropriate for Goku?

The rougher but still young-ish voice for Goku worked. It’s an obvious put upon voice and I can’t stress enough
she can’t act but the voice she uses for Goku is fine if she was ever able to deliver her lines in a believable manner.

As poor an actress as she was, she tried to sound natural as Gohan.

What about her Gohan sounded natural? The only English voice actress for Gohan that sounded remotely natural was Henderson.

It's unpopular but I like Clinkenbeard's Goku. I've seen some take such a strong stance against it and I don't understand what they are hearing that caused such a negative reaction.

I disliked it at first but after giving Curse of the Blood Rubies redub another go not too long ago I got used to it and prefer it over Nadolny. I would be for a Dragon Ball redub with Clinkenbeard and Rial even if I liked Henderson and Lindjberg better.

Unfortunately, i just don't see FUNi giving the original series a re dub anytime in the near future though it does need one and even more so movies 2 and 3 which aren't even consistent themselves with the series voice wise especially the former given it was the first dub FUNi had done following moving production in house as a test run after parting from Saban sometime in 1997/1998.

[ABED]

First, I wrote "tried" to sound natural, and other than the delivery of a bad actress, the voice itself is fine.

It's like because Goku can be weird, people think the weird voice she gives him gets labeled as fitting. It's not. It's awful in every conceivable way.

The rougher but still young-ish voice for Goku worked. It’s an obvious put upon voice and I can’t stress enough
she can’t act but the voice she uses for Goku is fine if she was ever able to deliver her lines in a believable manner.

Nozawa doesn't sound remotely rough. I see Goku's character, an adjective I don't think of is 'rough'. The voice she uses is a big reason she can't deliver lines in a believable manner.

[MasenkoHA]

Nozawa doesn't sound remotely rough. I see Goku's character, an adjective I don't think of is 'rough'. The voice she uses is a big reason she can't deliver lines in a believable manner.

I feel like Nadolny should be judged separately from Nozawa and looked at her own merits

Mcneil sounds nothing like Piccolo’s Japanese voice actor (who just talks like a normal guy) and he’s great and his voice fits perfectly despite sounding nothing like the Japanese voice.

Not that Nadolny’s Goku is good but her voice can fit without having to sound like Nozawa.


Completely separated from the Japanese dub and Nozawa’s performance Nadolny’s Goku fits the wild child none to bright happy go lucky kid aspect (again she can’t act so its a wash) her voice for Gohan doesn’t even come close to fitting the character.

[sunsetshimmer]

Even today, some people like his characterization in GT than other places where he otherwise didn't really have any. He was in desperate need of character development. Hell, he STILL is, so I think he would've still been great to go into space.

Except that if he went to space with Trunks they would probably end up as about the same character they were before. Always together only to fuse into Gotenks. But this way we saw Goten dating and having his own fight against main villain of arc which is something he'd probably never get if he was there in space when Baby attacked Earth. And without Goten in space, Trunks had to be more developed as well and played important role on his own being the brain of entire team. Instead of fusing with Goten, he had to deal with dangers on his own and in his own way like he did with entire Giru's betrayal plot.