Unpopular DB opinions

[RisanF]

Namek was good for a lot of characters. People have complained about Vegeta in the Cell Saga, but a lot of people seem to really enjoy his anti-hero role in the Frieza Saga, where he's scheming, intelligent, but still forced to work with the good guys due to circumstance. Even Goku has a good showing at the very end, and we get one very long fight with him vs. Frieza.

Namek was so break or make for the characters there that, in my opinion, the characters who didn't appear in it, should have stayed dead. There was no coming back from missing such an important arc.

The Frieza Saga seemed like a good stopping point for many of the characters and plot points. After defeating an intergalactic overlord like Frieza, there was nowhere for the main character to go, and fighting a couple of Earth robots seems like a downgrade IMHO. I think maybe that's why that rumor "Toriyama wanted to stop as Frieza" got started.

[ABED]

Fair, but by saying her voice conveyed rough, it implies that is part of Goku's character.

Completely separated from the Japanese dub and Nozawa’s performance Nadolny’s Goku fits the wild child none to bright happy go lucky kid aspect (again she can’t act so its a wash) her voice for Gohan doesn’t even come close to fitting the character.

It doesn't sound wild at all. It sounds like a weird goofy cadence apropos of nothing. Her Gohan meanwhile is nice and polite.

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

The Frieza Saga seemed like a good stopping point for many of the characters and plot points. After defeating an intergalactic overlord like Frieza, there was nowhere for the main character to go, and fighting a couple of Earth robots seems like a downgrade IMHO. I think maybe that's why that rumor "Toriyama wanted to stop as Frieza" got started.

Not related to the Namek point but on the topic of androids, cyborgs, and Cell, that was probably the last oppurtunity for "power levels" to take a back seat. If the Androids had been presented as "weaker" than Freeza but more dangerous because of their unique mechanical nature, it would've been a good way to reset the board. Super Saiyan was the pinnacle of power, but this new threat bypassed power either with their absorption abilities or infinite energy supplies. (the prospect of enemies that don't need to rest should have been especially scary for Team Dragon.)

Anyway, sorry for the errant thought. fanfic bait always tends to bite me whenever the Cell Arc gets brought up

[sunsetshimmer]

Namek was good for a lot of characters. People have complained about Vegeta in the Cell Saga, but a lot of people seem to really enjoy his anti-hero role in the Frieza Saga, where he's scheming, intelligent, but still forced to work with the good guys due to circumstance. Even Goku has a good showing at the very end, and we get one very long fight with him vs. Frieza.

Namek was so break or make for the characters there that, in my opinion, the characters who didn't appear in it, should have stayed dead. There was no coming back from missing such an important arc.

The Frieza Saga seemed like a good stopping point for many of the characters and plot points. After defeating an intergalactic overlord like Frieza, there was nowhere for the main character to go, and fighting a couple of Earth robots seems like a downgrade IMHO. I think maybe that's why that rumor "Toriyama wanted to stop as Frieza" got started.

Yeah, as much as Buu saga felt out of place as it had no connection to actual story compared to Red Ribbon Army revenge, at least they fought magical being old as universe and feared by gods. I''d rather believe that someone like Rildo who is stronger than Buu exists somewhere in universe than human scientist creating robots surpassing galactic tyrant Frieza. Even if technology on Earth in DB is far more advanced than in real life, it was still bullshit. It's just easier to believe that other planets are more advanced.

Speaking of Vegeta, i absolutely hate his character in Cell saga. He was different but in worse way. His Namek version was awesome villain who eventually teamed up with remaining saiyans. But in Cell saga he was just that cocky guy who needs to prove everyone he's the best and only causes trouble. I liked his Super Vegeta form and how he went against Cell after he killed Trunks, but other than that he sucked.

[WittyUsername]

I guess that if we’re going to be talking about Stephanie Nadolny, I will say that if there’s any big problem I had with her performance in the later years, it’s the frequent “ugh” grunting sound she makes. I’m assuming the voice directors at the time were to blame for that, but it could get kind of annoying. Still, I would say that she gave the best performances of her career with GT and Path to Power. I know that probably isn’t saying much, but she actually really did sell me on Goku’s anger and sadness in that climactic moment in Path to Power.

[ABED]

Fights always came down to who was stronger or who had greater numbers. The problem was never battle powers. The issue is the execution of the fights, and the Freeza arc is the natural stopping point. They defeated the biggest big bad and their arcs were at a natural end. While Vegeta could go further, breaking down in front of Goku was an appropriate ending.

Speaking of Vegeta, i absolutely hate his character in Cell saga. He was different but in worse way. His Namek version was awesome villain who eventually teamed up with remaining saiyans. But in Cell saga he was just that cocky guy who needs to prove everyone he's the best and only causes trouble. I liked his Super Vegeta form and how he went against Cell after he killed Trunks, but other than that he sucked.

It's precisely why he's interesting in the Cell arc. It does wear thin, but the fundamental nature of him being a cocky bastard is solid. He is not a good guy. It's nice to remember that Vegeta isn't cool - he's an asshole.

[Scsigs]

I feel like Nadolny should be judged separately from Nozawa and looked at her own merits

Mcneil sounds nothing like Piccolo’s Japanese voice actor (who just talks like a normal guy) and he’s great and his voice fits perfectly despite sounding nothing like the Japanese voice.

Not that Nadolny’s Goku is good but her voice can fit without having to sound like Nozawa.

Completely separated from the Japanese dub and Nozawa’s performance Nadolny’s Goku fits the wild child none to bright happy go lucky kid aspect (again she can’t act so its a wash) her voice for Gohan doesn’t even come close to fitting the character.

I agree with judging dub actors by their own merits rather than by the Japanese. You're never gonna have a 1:1 translation in any dub anyways, so expecting an actor to be 100% comparable to a Japanese actor out the gate is just stupid.

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I feel like Nadolny should be judged separately from Nozawa and looked at her own merits

Mcneil sounds nothing like Piccolo’s Japanese voice actor (who just talks like a normal guy) and he’s great and his voice fits perfectly despite sounding nothing like the Japanese voice.

Not that Nadolny’s Goku is good but her voice can fit without having to sound like Nozawa.

Completely separated from the Japanese dub and Nozawa’s performance Nadolny’s Goku fits the wild child none to bright happy go lucky kid aspect (again she can’t act so its a wash) her voice for Gohan doesn’t even come close to fitting the character.

I agree with judging dub actors by their own merits rather than by the Japanese. You're never gonna have a 1:1 translation in any dub anyways, so expecting an actor to be 100% comparable to a Japanese actor out the gate is just stupid.

1. Not what I was getting at, and
2. judging actors for using the same voice for two characters on completely different shows is also asinine. It's not judging the performance on its won merits. It's not even judging performance. It's judging range.

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

Speaking of Vegeta, i absolutely hate his character in Cell saga. He was different but in worse way. His Namek version was awesome villain who eventually teamed up with remaining saiyans. But in Cell saga he was just that cocky guy who needs to prove everyone he's the best and only causes trouble. I liked his Super Vegeta form and how he went against Cell after he killed Trunks, but other than that he sucked.

It's precisely why he's interesting in the Cell arc. It does wear thin, but the fundamental nature of him being a cocky bastard is solid. He is not a good guy. It's nice to remember that Vegeta isn't cool - he's an asshole.

I liked both eras of Vegeta; the schemer and the prideful warrior. The former because I love any story that features a villainous rogue trying to out hustle their vastly more powerful overlord. And the latter because Vegeta, just by being Vegeta, guaranteed that the plot would never resolve itself in a way beneficial to the Dragon Team. That's always a great thing to have in a story! But it did make me wonder why the rest of the Dragon Team put up with it.

[Scsigs]

1. Not what I was getting at, and
2. judging actors for using the same voice for two characters on completely different shows is also asinine. It's not judging the performance on its won merits. It's not even judging performance. It's judging range.

1. I wasn't addressing you, I was addressing MasenkoHA. Unless you were addressing them?

Disclaimer, I don't want to start anything bad & I only say these things because I feel they must be said. I mean no malice, this is just a bit out of frustration.

2. This is why I don't like responding to you, Abed. You completely misunderstand or refuse to entertain &, thus, understand, what I say most of the time when I have stated my opinions & why I think the things I do.

I have stated multiple times that the voices Colleen Clinkenbeard does for Gohan, Goku, & Luffy are almost exactly the same. They are based on exactly the same exact voice tone, with not a lot of differences, all of which I stated earlier. The reason I bring this up is because it gets distracting & causes me to be taken out of the experience a bit. I feel exactly the same way about Masako Nozawa voicing almost every male member of Goku's family. I cannot explain why exactly these things bother me, but they DO. Please stop completely disregarding what people say just because you don't personally experience them or consider them asinine unless someone states something based on wrong facts or stuff that actually makes no sense. You keep doing this to so many people here & it's not good for the discussion when you do.

These are all subjective, by the way, hence the thread we're in. They're subjective because a lot of people love Nozawa in those roles, as well as Clinkenbeard as Gohan. Hell, I can get passed most of the time Clinkenbeard as Gohan since it's not a 1:1 with her Luffy. However, her Goku is basically a less-deep Luffy, which you can hear if you compare the two directly. Look up clips on YouTube of Colleen's Luffy, Gohan, & Goku & you can hear this. And, I have NO problems with companies reusing actors in roles for them. Disney does this ALL the time with their movies. FUNimation does this ALL the time with their dubs. It's fine that they do, they're well within their rights to do so.

However, Clinkenbeard's "boy" voice is inherently very annoying. I have noticed this ever since I started watching One Piece. People either like or hate her Luffy. A LOT of One Piece fans either like or hate the voice she puts on for him, so this shouldn't be any surprise to anyone. Hell, the only reason she is Luffy is because Toei wouldn't let them cast a man in the role, which dates back to the 4Kids dub. With how shit Chuck Powers was in the Odex dub, I don't blame them, nor do I think FUNi in 2007 had someone who could fit the role that well both with their acting & matching their voice to Luffy's character design. But that's besides the point. It's basically the same here. Now, I don't despise her as Gohan & I don't think she's a bad Goku, but it takes me out of it when I hear Luffy coming out of a character who is not him, despite what Dragon Ball Super's writing staff seems to think. It is distracting. My main problem is that I associate the voice with one character, as well as me not thinking it really fits with the other.

As a counterpoint, Maxie Whitehead has a PERFECT imitation of Aaron Dismuke's voice from the original Fullmetal Alchemist dub when she had to imitate him for Brotherhood, which she then started using when she replaced Dende's VA from Z & I have NO problems with it. On top of sounding like an actual kid, the voice she doesn't sound inherently annoying. If Clinkenbeard's "boy" voice weren't as bad as it inherently is, I'd have no problem. Same with Nozawa's voices. I can't help feeling these things, I just do. You can't dictate what annoys people, those are subjective & blowing them off by calling them "asinine" is just missing the entire point of a subjective opinion, my guy. You hate Nadolny's boy voice & feel she can't act, I felt she was ok & wasn't annoyed. Most people here are fine with Nozawa voicing a LOT of Goku's family, I just feel 'meh' towards her (I don't hate her & even respect her in the roles given she was chosen by Toriyama for Goku apparently, even though she's not my ideal Goku, as well as know she's a good actress, as her Goku Black blew me away, but her voice for Goku is always base breaking outside of Japan). Some people here hate Sean Schemmel's King Kai, or Mike McFarland's Roshi, while I don't. Some people love the Faulconer Z score, I couldn't care less about it, even though I'll say it has some decent tracks. Get it? I don't know how much more clear I can make it. Yet you're gonna chop up this text & respond to little parts that don't matter, so I don't know.

[ABED]

This isn't private messaging. Anyone can jump in regardless of whether it was directly addressed to another person's comment or not.

I did not refuse to entertain, read, and most certainly did not misunderstand what you wrote. You aren't the first one to make such a claim. I read it, took a second to think about it, and responded. I simply disagreed. Considering you got really peeved at me for disregarding the acting on POWER RANGERS of all things, you may wanna take a second to reflect. Not to bring up that issue again, but I do find it very illuminating that you got upset at me and said that if I watched a few seasons you deemed really good, I would see the quality of the acting. You assumed I was coming from a place of ignorance. I had seen those seasons and it was my informed opinion to disagree with yours. I know I come off as abrasive, but there's only so much I can do when someone with whom I disagree thinks I didn't take a minute to consider their point.

If Clinkenbeard's "boy" voice weren't as bad as it inherently is, I'd have no problem. Same with Nozawa's voices. I can't help feeling these things, I just do.

You could've ended this here, instead you bring up examples that make no sense and confuse the issue for the reader. In your first post that I responded to, you put essentially this point at the end. You practically bury the lede. Why not just say that you don't like an actor's voice and performance and don't want to hear it play multiple characters? What's the point of saying you find a voice annoying after talking about an actor using the same voice for different characters across different series? I don't see what the voice of Luffy playing another character has anything to do with your assessment of the performance. You aren't making multiple arguments in support of a thesis, you're bringing up multiple points when the last would've sufficed. Bringing up an actor playing multiple characters in the same show doesn't support your thesis that an actor using the same voice for multiple characters takes you out of the story. We get your point that an actor's performance might work in one context and not for another and I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say everyone here agrees, but that's an entirely separate issue. This whole ridiculous thing started when I took one piece of your argument and made a counterpoint, not even specifically to you but to a point I've seen made by multiple members over the years. I know the last paragraph was when you brought up the issue with the voices shouldn't be annoying, but I was only interested in commenting on the first part. You may not think I do, but I do take the time to read the posts I respond to. Sometimes I might misunderstand, but other times I'm less interested in responding to the whole and instead I choose to focus on a single issue.

[8000 Saiyan]

Sometimes I wonder if Scsigs is looking at the acting in Power Rangers with rose-tinted glasses, because most of the cast are REALLY not very good actors. Batman 1966, on the other hand, had Burgess Meredith and Vincent Price. Those two actors alone are far more talented than most of the Power Rangers cast. Who did Power Rangers have? Johnny Yong Bosch? The guy in a scene with those two I mentioned would be outacted with ease.

[ABED]

Sometimes I wonder if Scsigs is looking at the acting in Power Rangers with rose-tinted glasses, because most of the cast are REALLY not very good actors. Batman 1966, on the other hand, had Burgess Meredith and Vincent Price. Those two actors alone are far more talented than most of the Power Rangers cast. Who did Power Rangers have? Johnny Yong Bosch? The guy in a scene with those two I mentioned would be outacted with ease.

Burgess Meredith had incredible range. He could play a campy villain, an irascible manager with lots of heart, and a meek bookworm (this was from an episode of The Twilight Zone).

In any event, I am trying to get better about how I come off. I fail on most days, but I'm trying. One way I'm trying is by really reading what people here write akin to active listening, not just hearing or waiting to respond.

Here's an unpopular opinion, I have little issue with Goku becoming somewhat caricature-ish in Super. I don't think it's a problem. It's perfectly in keeping with his character to prioritize the fight above saving the world.

[MasenkoHA]

Sometimes I wonder if Scsigs is looking at the acting in Power Rangers with rose-tinted glasses, because most of the cast are REALLY not very good actors. Batman 1966, on the other hand, had Burgess Meredith and Vincent Price. Those two actors alone are far more talented than most of the Power Rangers cast.

Batman 1966 had talented actors deliberately hamming it up the show was an intentional farce. The comparisons to Mighty Morphin Power Rangers have never held any water (and no this isn’t an attack on Scsigs as I’ve seen this on other places like IMDB and garbage sites like tv tropes). Like at least Batman and Robin was an attempt at recreating the 60s shows albeit it also played itself too seriously to commit to the joke and ended up being more of a toy commercial.

Who did Power Rangers have? Johnny Yong Bosch? The guy in a scene with those two I mentioned would be outacted with ease.

I’m happy Bosch found a successful career in dubbed anime. He couldn’t act to save his life in Power Rangers. Maybe he got better after? Maybe he was just better suited behind a mic than in front of a camera.


@Scsigs, it’s fine and perfectly valid if you just think Clinkenbeard’s boy voice is annoying. But again why should it matter if her voice for Goku or Gohan sounds too close to a character from an entirely different show?

If your issue with Nozawa is all the voices sound the same fine. I disagree as her Gohan (as a child at least) sounds nothing like her Goku (as a child or adult) and I’m hardly fluent in Japanese so its not some subtle thing. And while I’m not huge on her as Bardock he doesn’t interact much with Goku for the same voice thing to be an issue.

[8000 Saiyan]

I’m happy Bosch found a successful career in dubbed anime. He couldn’t act to save his life in Power Rangers. Maybe he got better after? Maybe he was just better suited behind a mic than in front of a camera.

Bosch does make for a better voice actor than a live action actor, although if anything, his fanbase tends to annoy me how they seem to treat him as if he was the Brando of voice acting. Not saying that I've seen anyone saying that (where as I've seen people calling Mike McFarland the Kubrick of voice directing lol), but it does seem like they see him that way. Also, kind of a double standard that I've seen is a fan of his criticizing Brad Swaile for not having range (a voice actor that he claims to be one of his favorites when he clearly likes Travis Willingham, Jason Griffith and many more a lot more than Swaile), but he gives Bosch a pass.

[JustAlex1997]

MistareFusion is the only YouTube channel centered around Dragon Ball that I can honestly recommend to anyone. He takes his time with videos to provide a consistent level of quality, and that isn't something you get with most (successful) Dragon Ball channels. You'll never see him overanalyze characters sneezing in episode previews to churn content out faster, and I respect that.

[Scsigs]

MistareFusion is the only YouTube channel centered around Dragon Ball that I can honestly recommend to anyone. He takes his time with videos to provide a consistent level of quality, and that isn't something you get with most (successful) Dragon Ball channels. You'll never see him overanalyze characters sneezing in episode previews to churn content out faster, and I respect that.

Outside, of Team Four Star & MakasoX, I can't fault you there. Geekdom101, though I don't mind him, suffers from problems of talking out his ass when he thinks he's on to something & not citing sources most of the time, Enigmo's an asshole, & every other person centered around DB or includes DB in their content are of a...mixed bag quality, if I can say that. Outside of TFS, he's the only one I've consistently followed since 2011 & come back to regularly. Dragon Ball Dissection is one of the best review shows I've seen on YouTube that cover Japanese comic books (not that there's too many, the only other one I can think of is Linkara) &/or anime. He has a welcome, open environment for discussing DB & he has a good general wealth of knowledge on the material. He also has fairly well-balanced opinions that, even if you don't agree, you can at least understand where he comes from with them most of the time. It's weird to think about.

Also, I enjoy Lance's voice & delivery a lot more than some other DB YouTubers, some of whom I cannot stand their voices or deliveries for some reason for the life of me.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Honestly I don't blame Geekdom101 for pumping out quick videos, especially when Super was running. He's said on Twitter and Speakdoms that he was working for pricks when he was in IT and got fired by text for being sick, so he had to do YouTube full time to pay the bills and cover his remaining wedding expenses.

I say this as an early supporter of his channel, but he does genuinely appreciate his fans and the success he's made because of us. He gave me a call out on Facebook back in 2015 and Qaaman told me in a conversation he was grateful to me spreading the word.

The guy, like all of us isn't perfect, but I do think he tries for the Dragon Ball community and would do everything in his power to give back.

[JustAlex1997]

MistareFusion is the only YouTube channel centered around Dragon Ball that I can honestly recommend to anyone. He takes his time with videos to provide a consistent level of quality, and that isn't something you get with most (successful) Dragon Ball channels. You'll never see him overanalyze characters sneezing in episode previews to churn content out faster, and I respect that.

Outside, of Team Four Star & MakasoX, I can't fault you there. Geekdom101, though I don't mind him, suffers from problems of talking out his ass when he thinks he's on to something & not citing sources most of the time, Enigmo's an asshole, & every other person centered around DB or includes DB in their content are of a...mixed bag quality, if I can say that. Outside of TFS, he's the only one I've consistently followed since 2011 & come back to regularly. Dragon Ball Dissection is one of the best review shows I've seen on YouTube that cover Japanese comic books (not that there's too many, the only other one I can think of is Linkara) &/or anime. He has a welcome, open environment for discussing DB & he has a good general wealth of knowledge on the material. He also has fairly well-balanced opinions that, even if you don't agree, you can at least understand where he comes from with them most of the time. It's weird to think about.

Also, I enjoy Lance's voice & delivery a lot more than some other DB YouTubers, some of whom I cannot stand their voices or deliveries for some reason for the life of me.

Geekdom101's also incredibly arrogant and has put out clickbait "exposed" videos to talk down to people for the smallest of things. And while I can't prove this, he's deleted comments of mine which prove something he said as being wrong. His videos which take a greater degree of effort (such as his explaining of Dragon Ball on Toonami) are good, but I refuse to click on a video if it's made by him at this point. I can't really comment on MasakoX, but I grew out of Dragon Ball Z: Abridged a long time ago and didn't get a great first impression of TeamFourStar's other content.

[Scsigs]

Honestly I don't blame Geekdom101 for pumping out quick videos, especially when Super was running. He's said on Twitter and Speakdoms that he was working for pricks when he was in IT and got fired by text for being sick, so he had to do YouTube full time to pay the bills and cover his remaining wedding expenses.

I say this as an early supporter of his channel, but he does genuinely appreciate his fans and the success he's made because of us. He gave me a call out on Facebook back in 2015 and Qaaman told me in a conversation he was grateful to me spreading the word.

The guy, like all of us isn't perfect, but I do think he tries for the Dragon Ball community and would do everything in his power to give back.

Well, that's not what I meant. You can be thankful for having followers & supporters & still have terrible mentalities.

Like, he's a full "Super's anime is coming back" supporter, based on NO evidence, or the barest of, just because he wants it to come back (which, I do too, but I'm not gonna make people think it will be until I see an announcement or trailer), as well as he just bought a, probably low-level, FUNi rep, or a rep that was told to lie to drum up hype, saying they're definitely using Toei's masters & using them to create the ultimate remaster of the series after 2 failed attempts & 1 attempt they cancelled after 2 volumes & several more planned, with him hyping up as many people who weren't skeptical when it was finally announced. Really nothing to go off of but hearsay from 1 rep &, even then, we don't know what exactly that rep said.

No matter what Geekdom thinks, he's friends with some of the VAs & directors at FUNi, but he doesn't really have a lot of connections inside the company anywhere else, nor has the current guard there done anything to automatically earn the benefit of the doubt when it comes to remastering DBZ. His statement on trusting his info was, I believe, "You guys know I'm legit by now," even though it's clear he, on these topics, tries to have predictions passed off as facts to make him look great if they come true, but doesn't leave open the possibility that they won't come true, so when they fall flat in his face, he's left looking like an idiot. Nor does he really make videos a lot of the time saying he was wrong, nor does he admit he was wrong to do what he did how he did.

Now, he DID do that video with Ajay, which is great, but did he say, "sorry for misleading you guys"? No, he just deflected any blame off of himself to the rep, which, that person DOES deserve some blame for lying or misleading, but Geekdom's the one that ran with that mentality, never giving himself an out, always speaking in definitives & absolutes, which you shouldn't do unless we have definitive proof of something. As for Super coming back, the VAs saying stuff isn't always definitive, nor are people at licensing fairs. Everything HAS to come from Toei, Shueisha, or any other company in Japan that's officially linked to DB, or you should look at things with skepticism. Or else you lose credibility, which Geekdom prides himself on having a lot of. I don't hate the guy, but how he goes about things isn't good & I'm not above calling it out. Also, he has some awful ways of responding to people on Twitter at times who question what he says. I've seen the screenshots people have shared. Dude NEEDS to tone it back, seriously.

Geekdom101's also incredibly arrogant and has put out clickbait "exposed" videos to talk down to people for the smallest of things. And, while I can't prove this, he's deleted comments of mine which prove something he said as being wrong. His videos which take a greater degree of effort (such as his explaining of Dragon Ball on Toonami) are good, but I refuse to click on a video if it's made by him at this point. I can't really comment on MasakoX, but I grew out of Dragon Ball Z: Abridged a long time ago and didn't get a great first impression of TeamFourStar's other content.

As I said, he NEEDS to be called out & held accountable. Next thing we know, Geekdom will become Erod The Blockbuster Buster, who thinks so highly of his own opinions he can't entertain discourse about them, so he blocks people just for having a differing opinion & proudly espouses doing so because, for some reason, his own fragile ego prevents him from taking another opinion. He's already got the same, "I can't be proven wrong for reasons" bullshit mentality to an extent. I DO like the higher-effort content he does as well, but his other content, I stopped watching.

Also, I don't get why people don't like the "canon VS noncanon" debates in DB. Like, it's simple. None of the filler from DB or Z is canon, neither is GT, nor are the movies before Battle of Gods, nor is any additional shit introduced in the video games unless it was penned by Toriyama himself like Online had. People who don't understand this confuse me. And the people who try to stop people talking about those things really piss me off.