If they had kept Vegeta dead?

[Tai Lung]

Forget the planet namek for a moment or in any case
Let's suppose some things ...
-Frieza travels to namek and destroys the planet before reaching Earth
-Frieza then destroys the earth by killing vegeta and the others only surviving the characters that the angel save in the movie
-But this time beerus refuses to let whis go back in time ... so that goku and the other survivors assume responsibility for their actions

How would events happen from here? Or could they even happen?

Could happen the tournament with universe 6 to get the super dragon balls, without the land as a bet or Could they win without vegeta?

well this question came to me after remembering how much some fans hated the last fnf scene
Do you think that without it the story would have improved?

[theherodjl]

If Beerus' order also includes Whis' ability to resurrect the dead himself then what happens from then on might go something like this.
1. Goku would destroy the unconscious, drifting Freeza to at least remove his threat once and for all.
2. Beerus might still be a downer and refuse the surviving Earthlings residence on his world so they would have to settle down on Yardrat or any inhabited world in Freeza's Empire.
3. Champa starts a tournament with Beerus and so U7's team would be made up of Goku, Gohan, Krillin, Roshi, and Tenshinhan. Goku would not have had Vegeta or the ROSAT to assist with his training so he would have less strength. To make up for this, Goku & the others train on Yardrat to learn all the strange abilities that they could.
5. U7 narrowly defeats U6 with the extra abilities they learned on Yardrat. Goku tempts Beerus with the knowledge of food that he never got to try while Earth was around and so Beerus allows for Earth and it's people to be revived so that he may indulge in it.
6. The Earth's DBs are used to restore New Namek and the Namekians.
7. Everything goes back to normal just under somewhat different events.

Beerus is too much of a sucker for food.

[Lionel]

Wow! When you think about it, Freeza being allowed to retain the black eye he left on Goku's face would carry some ramifications if only in the short term. Talk about a dark survivor's guilt struggle for the few people who made it off Earth. I agree with Herodjl about them likely settling on Yardrat as it's the friendliest planet still available to them. Something to point out, though, is how everyone would be coping with the losses and what they would be seeking to do in order to undo the damage. I can see everyone who knows about how Goku was resurrected back in the Buu arc insisting that they get in touch with Elder Kaioshin somehow as he's the next best thing to the Dragon Balls with his life transference ability.

If Goku or Gohan, likely Gohan, is tactful in his negotiations, he could potentially broker a life transference to either Dende or Moori in exchange for his resurrection and possibly something lewd as well. They would have to reconstruct the Dragon Balls from scratch as the originals would have been destroyed on their respective planets when Freeza detonated them. Now what's important here is the exact duration of time that elapses between the ROF and U6 arcs. According to Dende, it would have taken 100 days for him to construct a new set of Dragon Balls. Who knows how long it is for the Namekian Dragon Balls which are even more powerful.

Since Vegeta has already been resurrected once by Earth's Dragon Balls, I think Gohan would be trying to navigate this difficult situation strategically by having Elder Kaioshin transfer his life to Moori instead of Dende -- this is only an assumption but I gather that the Namekian Dragon Balls would require more time to reconstruct. I suppose the collateral for the U6 tournament would involve the eventuality of Earth's return either staying in U7 or being transferred over to U6.

I like the prospect of everyone being taught the arcane abilities of the Yardratians but we don't know how that's going to benefit the group in the U6 tournament much beyond the eccentric fighters like Botamo. You could have Goku build up his son and the humans but it's still an uphill battle. If we assume the order is something akin to the actual arc's with the order being Goku, Krillin (in place of Piccolo), Gohan (in place of Vegeta), Tenshinhan (in place of Buu), and Roshi (in place of Monaka), then the result is going to be awfully tilted in favour of U6.

Krillin certainly can't handle Frost in his final form, exhausted or not. While a newly retrained Gohan can presumably handle Frost, Magetta, and untransformed Cabba without issue, Hit's abilities seem to require a preemptive analysis in order to break down and counter. It's unfortunate to admit but Tenshinhan and Roshi can't do much of anything under the mechanics of how this series operates. Now if decided to use their unique abilities like the Mafuba or Sleepy Boy hypnosis then they might win. As it is, they're little more than bench occupiers. It'll come down to Goku who, depending on whether it's the manga or anime, will need to use blue immediately in order to win.

[Tai Lung]

Piccolo survived in the movie so at least I would include him in the team and it was also not possible to verify that Mr buu has died will probably be in space as frieza

In this case I doubt that they can find frieza, which would be hiding from beerus, goku and the others would give more importance in a solution to revive the others

they could live with beerus a time that goku trains with the angel, they could also divide and stay in different places bulma and buu in the galactic patrol with jako, gohan and piccolo on the supreme planet and the humans in Yadrat.

probably the bet with champa be would recover the earth either in universe 6 or 7

The team would be ....
Goku, Piccolo, Gohan, Mr buu and tien or Krillin

the order should change without monaka surely goku fight at the last.

I only see 2 options, a draw or champa wins

[Koitsukai]

Picking up on some things the guys above brought up, I believe Goku would go train with Whis in order to make sure he never lets what happened on Earth ever again, probably getting Gohan with him. We finally get to see SS God Gohan and also a Gohan a little more like his Future self, a more determined one, kind of a bad ass.
If Gohan's potential is in fact true, then under Whis he would get back immediately to his Ultimate level and keep on improving like crazy. Vegeta through hard training unlocked SS God, so Gohan should have it even easier.
Assuming the same growth from the Cell and the Buu arc remains or even amplifies (due to Gohan's potential), Gohan should be stronger than Goku, and his SS God might actually not be that far from Goku's SSB.

By the U6 Tournament, SS God Gohan can dispose of all of them but Hit, though with his God form he loses, he can help Goku understand Hit's attacks. Actually Gohan might even share some useful tip with Goku, unlike Vegeta. If he has unlocked SS Blue, then maybe he can take Hit too.

Black and Zamasu would never be a thing without the Earth, and when the ToP takes place Gohan might be in SS Blue as strong as SSBE Vegeta. Kefla, Toppo, Aniraza, they would all be easily taken care of by SS Blue Gohan and SS Blue Goku.
Gohan would've fought Jiren and lost, Goku uses the genki dama but it's thrown right back at him. Gohan tries to save him, fails at deflecting it and unlocks UI, a much stronger one than Goku's, enough to force Jiren to go full power. Jiren gives everything he's got and eliminates Gohan before he masters the technique. Then rings out SSB KKx20 Goku, Hit, and the rest.

[Peach]

So basically, if Whis didn't rewind time?

1. Champa's tournament would never happen

2. The Zamasu arc would never happen

3. The Tournament of Power would never happen

4. Moro would be a weakling who never gets his full power unlocked

5. Broly becomes a much bigger problem in subsequent Frieza encounters.



Goku can't supply Beerus and Whis with food anymore. Meaning Champa never wants to use the Super Dragon Balls to wish for Earth, meaning no tournament, meaning Goku never meets Grand Zeno and gets pitched the idea Tournament of Power. Without Trunks and Black traveling back in time on Earth, Goku would never meet Zamasu and Goku Black would never exist.

Goku wouldn't have the experience of training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber with Vegeta, fighting Zamasu, or fighting in the Tournament of Power. That makes him significantly weaker by the time he meets Frieza again - who would may have Broly with him. I don't know if Goku and Gohan could beat Broly, even with fusion. If they fuse, there's no guarantee Frieza won't just blow up whatever planet they're on.

[emperior]

If we suppose the U6 tournament happens anyways, as Beerus kept some Earth food or someone who was saved by Whis happened to have some food capsules or were able to reach a planet with similar ingredients to Earth’s to make their food, then I bet Vegeta would be resurrected for one day to help win the tournament - but let’s say that’s not a possibility as it’s something which can only be done once in a lifetime and not everytime one dies.

Majin Buu would have been likely alive from Freeza destroying Earth so the team for the tournament would be: Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta, Buu, Gohan. No Monaka as Beerus wouldn’t need to motivate Goku as getting Earth back would already be a huge motivation. If Vegeta can’t participate, then either Kame Sennin, Tenshinan or Krillin would take part.
And Kame Sennin would be the most likely to be chosen for his experience. Majin Buu wouldn’t be disqualified as there would be no test because of Vegeta not suggesting it.

The gang would have probably momentarily relocated on Whis’ planet so Gohan would get some additional training and probably be at his Tournament of Power levels.

They wouldn’t start with Goku this time around. Let’s say they start with Gohan. He takes out Botamo and loses to Frost’s poison, Piccolo enters and again loses. Jaco notices what’s going on so Frost is disqualified. Piccolo comes back against Magetta and wins by insulting him with an off-hand comment.
Then he loses to Cabba, Gohan also re-joins the tournament and beats Cabba but loses to Hit’s Time Skip in the same way Vegeta did. Goku vs Hit plays out exactly the same, even the part in which he leaves the ring as in the heat of battle he forgets about the stakes, but he is confident Buu can do something about it. Time-skip doesn’t work on Buu but Hit rings him out. Kame Sennin steps in, lectures Hit about ceasing his assassin ways and pursue martial arts. As a change in Hit was already happening due to his fight against Goku, Hit decides he will give Goku and his master a present and purposefully gets ringed out by Kame Sennin.
Earth in U7 is restored.

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

Forget the planet namek for a moment or in any case
Let's suppose some things ...
-Frieza travels to namek and destroys the planet before reaching Earth
-Frieza then destroys the earth by killing vegeta and the others only surviving the characters that the angel save in the movie
-But this time beerus refuses to let whis go back in time ... so that goku and the other survivors assume responsibility for their actions

What if in a poorly thought out series a bunch of even more poorly thought out stuff happened.

[Tai Lung]

If we suppose the U6 tournament happens anyways, as Beerus kept some Earth food or someone who was saved by Whis happened to have some food capsules or were able to reach a planet with similar ingredients to Earth’s to make their food, then I bet Vegeta would be resurrected for one day to help win the tournament - but let’s say that’s not a possibility as it’s something which can only be done once in a lifetime and not everytime one dies.

Majin Buu would have been likely alive from Freeza destroying Earth so the team for the tournament would be: Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta, Buu, Gohan. No Monaka as Beerus wouldn’t need to motivate Goku as getting Earth back would already be a huge motivation. If Vegeta can’t participate, then either Kame Sennin, Tenshinan or Krillin would take part.
And Kame Sennin would be the most likely to be chosen for his experience. Majin Buu wouldn’t be disqualified as there would be no test because of Vegeta not suggesting it.

The gang would have probably momentarily relocated on Whis’ planet so Gohan would get some additional training and probably be at his Tournament of Power levels.

They wouldn’t start with Goku this time around. Let’s say they start with Gohan. He takes out Botamo and loses to Frost’s poison, Piccolo enters and again loses. Jaco notices what’s going on so Frost is disqualified. Piccolo comes back against Magetta and wins by insulting him with an off-hand comment.
Then he loses to Cabba, Gohan also re-joins the tournament and beats Cabba but loses to Hit’s Time Skip in the same way Vegeta did. Goku vs Hit plays out exactly the same, even the part in which he leaves the ring as in the heat of battle he forgets about the stakes, but he is confident Buu can do something about it. Time-skip doesn’t work on Buu but Hit rings him out. Kame Sennin steps in, lectures Hit about ceasing his assassin ways and pursue martial arts. As a change in Hit was already happening due to his fight against Goku, Hit decides he will give Goku and his master a present and purposefully gets ringed out by Kame Sennin.
Earth in U7 is restored.

I like it

Forget the planet namek for a moment or in any case
Let's suppose some things ...
-Frieza travels to namek and destroys the planet before reaching Earth
-Frieza then destroys the earth by killing vegeta and the others only surviving the characters that the angel save in the movie
-But this time beerus refuses to let whis go back in time ... so that goku and the other survivors assume responsibility for their actions

What if in a poorly thought out series a bunch of even more poorly thought out stuff happened.

and also super is better than GT but what does subjective opinions have to do with all this?