Unpopular DB opinions

[Planetnamek]

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It pained me to write "flanderied"

Stand against asinine tv tropes lingo.

Not a fan of TVTropes I take it?

[Scsigs]

I don't know if I've said this here, but I believe Budokai 2 is the best of the trilogy. At least in the single player game. So many people write it off as just a graphics upgrade of the first game, but there's SO MUCH more to it. They made gameplay additions & tweaks that are immediately noticeable if you directly compare the first 2 games to each other. Budokai 3 only made further refinements, though no one likes Dragon Rush, so I'll say that that mechanic can kiss my ass. I MUCH prefer the various insane & long melee combos over that piece of shit mechanic, at the very least for super attacks. Fusions would be better if they had a thing where you'd only have to tap on a button to activate them rather than a long combo.

On top of that, I love the story mode. Dragon World is one of the most fun single player (or multiplayer if you're playing with friends or siblings) campaigns in any DB game. It takes MULTIPLE playthroughs in the game, unless you're playing the PS2 port where it had a glitch where, by holding down either the shoulder buttons or the triggers, you can steal all of the capsules that pop up in the shop that will automatically unlock characters for you, to unlock characters, some of which are pretty hard to get in the later stages (getting Videl by beating Super Buu Gohan Absorbed with Mr. Satan), or just awesome (beating a reborn Cell on the Planet of the Kais with older Gohan to unlock "teen" Gohan) & are a ton of fun planning how to do so. Though, Kid Buu can kiss my ass. His AI is SO awful depending on the character you fight him with.

The music is also great, despite clearly being plagiarized by the likes of Tower of Power. Yamamoto knew how to make plagiarized OSTs sound REALLY good!

I sincerely hope that, if Bandai Namco has Dimps port the HD Collection to current/future consoles & PC, they include Budokai 2 in the mix. I'd LOVE to play that shit over & over again in HD, even if the awesome music's replaced (though it could be modded back in on a PC port).

Having finally finished Super, I wonder why people think Goku was "flanderized".

It pained me to write "flanderized"

A guy named DBZimran on YT made a video where he discusses this as one of Super's problems, but Goku in Super's anime is HEAVILY flanderized, even compared to the Android & Buu Sagas. The writing staff treat Goku like he's like Monkey D. Luffy as opposed to himself. What I mean is that Goku's not an outright 1-dimensional idiot who acts like a child. He's a simpleton who's not that bright, but his skills rely on his tactical knowledge & ability to fight well, so he loves to hone his skills & loves his family & friends. Goku's nature betrays how he shows that love, but he DOES love them as family & friends, unlike the more outwardly selfish DBZA-light way the writers of Super portrayed him.

The video is linked below & explains this stuff PERFECTLY with several examples several minutes in.
https://youtu.be/6KiXfJnMVUE

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

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It pained me to write "flanderied"

Stand against asinine tv tropes lingo.

It's a good word! And I'll never let go of "worf effect."

[MasenkoHA]

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It pained me to write "flanderied"

Stand against asinine tv tropes lingo.

Not a fan of TVTropes I take it?

I think it’s a cancer tbh

[Scsigs]

I think it’s a cancer tbh

The internet wiki database cataloguing examples tropes in media, & sometimes real life, is cancer?

[MasenkoHA]

I think it’s a cancer tbh

The internet wiki database cataloguing examples tropes in media, & sometimes real life, is cancer?

The internet wiki that doesn’t know what a trope even is and has its stupid lingo like flanderization and five-man band and lampshade hanging, your mileage may vary, and etc and even isn’t a useful wiki since it tends to be an inaccurate as any given fan wikia is a cancer. Yes

[Scsigs]

I think it’s a cancer tbh

The internet wiki database cataloguing examples tropes in media, & sometimes real life, is cancer?

The internet wiki that doesn’t know what a trope even is and has its stupid lingo like flanderization and five-man band and lampshade hanging, your mileage may vary, and etc and even isn’t a useful wiki since it tends to be an inaccurate as any given fan wikia is a cancer. Yes

I mean, they generally make trope names out of things from media or people who talk about media from over time. Flanderization, I'm pretty sure, was around as a term for a while before they adopted it as an official trope name. Some things even evolve over time, or have multiple names, so it's not like they're entirely awful. And, some of the trope names are supposed to be silly, or a reference, so I don't know why you're taking it so seriously.

[MasenkoHA]

Flanderization, I'm pretty sure, was around as a term for a while before they adopted it as an official trope name.

Eh I’m pretty most of their lingo (I refuse to call them tropes when that isn’t even a trope) named after characters I’m pretty sure comes from them. It’s a stupid term regardless for something that just amounts to character exaggeration or regression.

Some things even evolve over time, or have multiple names, so it's not like they're entirely awful. And, some of the trope names are supposed to be silly, or a reference, so I don't know why you're taking it so seriously.

It’s more that these stupid term spread outside their website that makes it cancer.

[ABED]

Lampshading was in insider term. It's not something the internet invented.

It's a good word! And I'll never let go of "worf effect."

It's really not. Flanders is actually more nuanced than such a dumb terms gives him credit for, and there was already a word for the phenomena - "caricaturize".

But not to the exaggerated degree. Biggest example was when Goku went to fight Zamasu in future. He acted like a kid high on sugar. Not even Kid Goku did that.

I'm still not seeing it. Oh my god, he's excited to fight strong guys, what a betrayal of his character.

What I mean is that Goku's not an outright 1-dimensional idiot who acts like a child. He's a simpleton who's not that bright, but his skills rely on his tactical knowledge & ability to fight well, so he loves to hone his skills & loves his family & friends. Goku's nature betrays how he shows that love, but he DOES love them as family & friends, unlike the more outwardly selfish DBZA-light way the writers of Super portrayed him.

And that's what we got in Super. This is no knock against you personally, but I refuse to watch youtube videos about this sort of thing. They're never that insightful. If at all.

[Psajdak]

I always loved Dragon Rush in Budokai 3.

It made the fight even more anime like.

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

Saying Kakarot would have conquered Earth is almost as dumb as saying that if Mr Satan hadn't attended the Cell Games Babidi would have won.

[Scsigs]

I always loved Dragon Rush in Budokai 3.

It made the fight even more anime like.

Yeah, a shitty rock, paper, scissors mini-game where the AI cheats the majority of the time that locks you out of some of the awesome, higher-level attacks! AWESOME!

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

I always loved Dragon Rush in Budokai 3.

It made the fight even more anime like.

Yeah, a shitty rock, paper, scissors mini-game where the AI cheats the majority of the time that locks you out of some of the awesome, higher-level attacks! AWESOME!

The AI is not cheating.

[ClutchBangstrip]

Jiren is kinda cool...

[Psajdak]

Yeah, a shitty rock, paper, scissors mini-game where the AI cheats the majority of the time that locks you out of some of the awesome, higher-level attacks! AWESOME!

It's not AI's fault that your luck sucks.

[Planetnamek]

Flanderization, I'm pretty sure, was around as a term for a while before they adopted it as an official trope name.

Eh I’m pretty most of their lingo (I refuse to call them tropes when that isn’t even a trope) named after characters I’m pretty sure comes from them. It’s a stupid term regardless for something that just amounts to character exaggeration or regression.

Some things even evolve over time, or have multiple names, so it's not like they're entirely awful. And, some of the trope names are supposed to be silly, or a reference, so I don't know why you're taking it so seriously.

It’s more that these stupid term spread outside their website that makes it cancer.

I fail to see how terms spreading outside a website is any way "cancer", that seems a bit melodramatic if you ask me.

[Scsigs]

Yeah, a shitty rock, paper, scissors mini-game where the AI cheats the majority of the time that locks you out of some of the awesome, higher-level attacks! AWESOME!

It's not AI's fault that your luck sucks.

Either way, I prefer a more straight-forward system that doesn't rely on RNG to just get by, y'know? I'm the same way with a lot of other games.

Also, I'm pretty sure they do. I've noticed I've had better success by choosing buttons at the prompts AFTER the AI has than before, but that doesn't always work. If I do it BEFORE, there's a larger chance they'll choose the same button I did.

[Arteaga4K]

The faulconer productions music is the only American replacement score that's any good to me. They all deviate from Kikuchi so much, but the faulconer score at least has that unique flavor to it (far from generic like a lot of people will say). Both the ocean dub (forgot the composer's name) and nathan johnson replacement scores are far more generic sounding. And menza.......yeah

[jjgp1112]

Flanderization, I'm pretty sure, was around as a term for a while before they adopted it as an official trope name.

Eh I’m pretty most of their lingo (I refuse to call them tropes when that isn’t even a trope) named after characters I’m pretty sure comes from them. It’s a stupid term regardless for something that just amounts to character exaggeration or regression.

Some things even evolve over time, or have multiple names, so it's not like they're entirely awful. And, some of the trope names are supposed to be silly, or a reference, so I don't know why you're taking it so seriously.

It’s more that these stupid term spread outside their website that makes it cancer.

I mean, who cares, really? Language continually evolves. People are always gonna find shorthands or easy associations. We're talking about a site that started as Buffy The Vampire Slayer catalogue here.

[Tylerman29]

The faulconer productions music is the only American replacement score that's any good to me. They all deviate from Kikuchi so much, but the faulconer score at least has that unique flavor to it (far from generic like a lot of people will say). Both the ocean dub (forgot the composer's name) and nathan johnson replacement scores are far more generic sounding. And menza.......yeah

I agree, Faulconer certainly stands out more than Johnson and Menza . It's probably because that score makes its presence known during key scenes whilst the others just add background noise. Not a fan personally, but I certainly understand the appeal.