7 changes that would have improved the series

[Tai Lung]

Firstly I will not refer to power levels or animation
if not in some changes, "details" that would have improved the story as that progressed but in general it would be the same events
Not all are opinions of mine, others are opinions that I have watched in the forum


1.-Interactions between Piccolo and Beerus
Remember all the things Vegeta went through to keep to "beerus " on calm? well I never bother but I think that all this would have worked better with piccolo ... in his past life he was a god and that his role as the voice of reason makes more sense with him, also we would know more about piccolo's life as kami


2.-Namek must disappear
yeah ... at least for a while so that the battles could have a risk especially in FNF
the reasons for that could have been the battle of goku and beerus where several planets were destroyed .. and they didn't realize it until much later or just frieza destroyed it



3.-More techniques and abilities with God Ki and just holding off on SSB
someone remembers the special ability that goku showed by regenerating part of his body with his aura or the technique that goku showed by paralyzing broly I think I would have given more time to get used to also take advantage of the concept of god ki in battles and they would have reserved the transformation for zamasu arc


4.-No rewind time
I think the opportunity to maintain was lost .. the most tense situation in future I don't think it was necessary that beerus and whis solve the matter, they just should save the important group would have helped to continue the story without turn back in the time and given a real motivation for goku continue training and revive humans in the future "champa tournament"


5.- Cabba shouldn't have existed
I will be honest, I liked his character when he appeared in Universe 6 arc, I felt that his relationship disciple /master with vegeta was interesting, although eventually it would be the only good thing about him. I realized that I liked him more for his "promises" in the series but then .. he is turned a waste of space and time in both versions, is the most boring male sayajinin the series, also just delays and hinders the plot .. and he is irrelevant

-in the anime
he was to blame for the explanation of "the back" .. that made everyone hate caulifla.
many promises that in the end were not fulfilled.
it didn't matter whether he was in the tournament or not..

-in the manga
their participation is more incoherent and he just make looks a fool other characters as caulifla, which was supposed to she should have more participation because it is is relevant in battle and as kefla, he have many unnecessary scenes taking time and space to others characters like gohan in their training.
dyspo is like a weakling .. he can't defeats one saiyan weak.
prevents other characters from developing more or getting to know each other.

and for both cases it feels very forced that vados not find caulifla and kale but he can do it


6.- Caulifla and kale must have appeared in Champa Arc
I feel that many Haters exist because their progress was a bit rushed but it would not have happened if they had appeared before
It would be quite easy ... vados find them and convince them with riches or challenges that will make them stronger
Caulifla confronts goku and he teaches her how to transform into SSJ for battle ... they fight and have fun for a while until goku defeats her ... but promising that they will training to fight later, there is no ssj2 but eventually she get this form in the TOP
kale would be a challenge for others but she lose in the end ... she then promises to train to control her transformation

with more time and less forced connections a more natural development would be felt


7.- Gogeta VS Merged Zamasu
At the beginning I did not agree with this but, being fair, this would have transmitted the "Gods VS Mortals" message much better as it was a technique created by these, in addition to the fact that there was no problem with that ending quickly being something normal

well what do you think? your agree or not? ... say your opinions

[FoolsGil]

I agree with 4, and combining 5 and 6 to be that it's Caulifla that's met instead of Cabba at the tournament. And either she knows SSJ2 already, or because of different evolution she shows a transformation that U7 saiyans can't do.

Anything else brought up are bells and whistles. They might make things cooler, but cool things don't necessarily improve things. Super needed stronger story elements. No amount of new God powers would have fixed what was severely lacking.

[Matches Malone]

1- Time: This is without a doubt the number 1 change that would've improved everything. More time would've allowed the production team to put out a better looking show, it would've allowed the writers to have more consistency between episodes, and it would've allowed Toriyama to come up with better stories. Whatever problem you have with Super, more time would've either reduced it or gotten rid of it all together.

2- Originality: I understand that bringing back a show after 20 years is going to bring with it fan service, but I think Super would've been better off if they toned it down. Did we have to have Freeza come back in RF and a Freeza clone in the champa arc back to back ? Did we have to have a Broly clone in the TOP followed by a reboot of Broly himself ? Both concepts are very popular but having 2 of each is overkill.

3- The supporting cast: I'm not asking for a One Piece type story where every main villain has to have 10 supporting villains to take on each character, as that will just slow the story down. That however doesn't mean everyone besides Goku and Vegeta should be completely forgotten. Tien for example was no match for Cell, but Toriyama found a way to keep him relevant by allowing him to hold Cell off so that 18 could get away. Give us small moments like that as they show the characters are useful in a believable way.

4- The start: First impressions are everything, so starting on worse retellings of new and good movies is a bad note to start on. Even after that, the Champa tournament paled in comparison to the original tournaments in DB, but was thankfully saved due to interesting characters in Champa and Hit, among others.

[SupremeKai25]

I agree with point 3. The first one to use any version of Super Saiyan Blue should've been Black with Rosé, since he was the only "Saiyan-God hybrid" and thus should've been the first one in the story to ascend to a power far beyond Super Saiyan God. Goku and Vegeta should've unlocked it in the Future Trunks arc after intense fighting with Black, where they would've adapted to some of his moves and absorb some of his power into their own. This is similar in concept to what Black did in the actual anime; the more he fought Goku, the more he knew him, and the more power he unlocked in his body. In this case, the more Goku and Vegeta fought Black, the more they would tap into a level beyond SSG until they finally reached Blue.

Point 6 is interesting, I would suggest another character that should've appeared in that arc: Zamasu. I often thought of this, it would've been better if Zamasu actually appeared before the Future Trunks arc, so that we could spend a little more time with him and perhaps see him in a more relaxed/cheerful context, all of this obviously leading up to his inevitable fall from grace. Storywise it is not that far-fetched that other universes might have been interested in the Tournament of Destroyers and spectated it for fun, especially when it was hosted in neutral space.

Point 7 is something I disagree with though. It wouldn't make sense to use the Fusion Dance when you are with two Supreme Kais who could just lend you their Potaras, it would be the slowest route, and they did not have much time at their disposal. You couldn't even remove Shin and Gowasu from the story, because they were instrumental later on (they protected the Time Machine from Infinite Zamasu ----> if they hadn't been there, Goku and co. would've been erased along with Zamasu).

[Nickolaidas]

1- Time: This is without a doubt the number 1 change that would've improved everything. More time would've allowed the production team to put out a better looking show, it would've allowed the writers to have more consistency between episodes, and it would've allowed Toriyama to come up with better stories. Whatever problem you have with Super, more time would've either reduced it or gotten rid of it all together.

2- Originality: I understand that bringing back a show after 20 years is going to bring with it fan service, but I think Super would've been better off if they toned it down. Did we have to have Freeza come back in RF and a Freeza clone in the champa arc back to back ? Did we have to have a Broly clone in the TOP followed by a reboot of Broly himself ? Both concepts are very popular but having 2 of each is overkill.

3- The supporting cast: I'm not asking for a One Piece type story where every main villain has to have 10 supporting villains to take on each character, as that will just slow the story down. That however doesn't mean everyone besides Goku and Vegeta should be completely forgotten. Tien for example was no match for Cell, but Toriyama found a way to keep him relevant by allowing him to hold Cell off so that 18 could get away. Give us small moments like that as they show the characters are useful in a believable way.

4- The start: First impressions are everything, so starting on worse retellings of new and good movies is a bad note to start on. Even after that, the Champa tournament paled in comparison to the original tournaments in DB, but was thankfully saved due to interesting characters in Champa and Hit, among others.

This should be the OP. Much better input and ideas than the ones above. Not that the OP doesn't have any, but these are better.

The Goku Vegeta show has to go, like, yesterday. The ToP proved that more characters doing more things only makes things better and more interesting.

[Matches Malone]

This should be the OP. Much better input and ideas than the ones above. Not that the OP doesn't have any, but these are better.

Thanks a lot.

[JulieYBM]

I definitely would have gotten ride of Super Saiyan transformations for Gokuu and Vegeta after they achieved Blue and made Blue their only forms. The structure of a battle will just fall apart like the battle with Freeza did if Gokuu and Vegeta cycle through five or six transformations in a battle. Movie #20 barely got away with three transformations because Broli's power was constantly evolving at the same time but you just can't do that for every antagonist, either. I would save the one transformation for those characters until after they've first fought their foe in their base form to get a feeling for their skill. It's important that transforming have some sort of draw back, so I'd maintain that using Blue is a sort of one-shot deal, if you use it too willy-nilly then you've wasted your shot like what happened to Vegeta during the Universe 6 story arc. Fragrant use of the transformation could lead to being taken off-guard and taking blows that Gokuu and Vegeta shouldn't normally.

[DragonBallFoodie]

IMO

1 Give the human Z-Fighters more time to expand and develop their abilities (not around the Tournament of Power, but around the Tournament with Chanpa)

2 Experimentation with different techniques - not too much, but enough to raise interest

3 Get rid of Goku Black and just have Zamasu, as in have Zamasu's plot arc proceed without the Goku Black mystery

4 Have Ultra Instinct be seen/used by more individuals (come on, Beerus talked about it but only Goku displayed it?)

5 Allow a trip through all the other universes to explore their races/fighters a little more.

6 Bring back Tarble

7 Have Trunks and Mai stay in the present where they can be called on more.

[Dbzfan94]

1. Keep everyone in character

2. Reduce the amount of recolor forms. Notably MUI and Bluer.

3. Dont make Buu fall asleep twice. Should have kept him for the ToP

4. Freeza stays dead.

5. Aging the cast properly as time went on

6. Zeno doesnt nuke Trunks' timeline so he can stay there and rebuild.

7. Make Mai a different character completely and remove the child Pilaf gang altogether.