Are There Any Updates On The Harmony Gold Dub Of Dragon Ball?

[10gigtriforce]

my $.02: even if the video of an encode is 'ok', the compressed to crap and back low bitrate audio on most 'ok' encodes will hinder the fans/fan restorations/projects even more. at the very least that needs to be out there in pcm/flac. Thats how I do it at least when i find something to preserve. run it through my hd pvr 1212 since thats good enough video quality for me, mux the .ts file to mkv for my roku, then keep the raw audio from the capture on hand incase i/anyone ever needs it. as to me thats the most important part of preserving anime vhs, not to say the video isnt important, since its quality was a lot better than video back in the day its still good enough to be synced to newer releases.

[Planetnamek]

my $.02: even if the video of an encode is 'ok', the compressed to crap and back low bitrate audio on most 'ok' encodes will hinder the fans/fan restorations/projects even more. at the very least that needs to be out there in pcm/flac. Thats how I do it at least when i find something to preserve. run it through my hd pvr 1212 since thats good enough video quality for me, mux the .ts file to mkv for my roku, then keep the raw audio from the capture on hand incase i/anyone ever needs it. as to me thats the most important part of preserving anime vhs, not to say the video isnt important, since its quality was a lot better than video back in the day its still good enough to be synced to newer releases.

Well I tried other methods and Handbrake was the only one I could get my head around, and it's what the site that i'm a member of recommended using anyways, so far i've not had any complaints of the quality any of the films i've uploaded on there.

[eledoremassis02]

Since it seems that he only has an EZcap (yes it's better than nothing) why don't we put together some money so he can take it to get professionally digitized? I wouldn't be against another fan doing it, but given the rarity of the tapes themselves you don't want them to go missing or someone hoarding either the tapes or the files (as it would have to be a condition of doing the tapes, but it might not necessarily be followed)

At the end of the day, I'm just glad I got to see the episodes and he took the time to give them to us to view, granted my excitement for the dubbed started to wane by mid-episode 3 lol

It’s not hard to digitize a VHS properly using good amateur equipment (VCR with S-video out), and it’s that not hard to inverse-telecine telecined anime. Certainly the second thing anyone with a computer and some experience in video editing can do.

It would probably be a better idea to buy him a nice VCR and capture card than send it (dubious legality) to a professional,

True, it's up to him tho. I don't really care to see people crap on him if he chooses not to buy equipment, or send his tapes to a fan, is all because he didn't even have to look for the tapes or take the time to EZcap them or coulda called it quits when his encodes weren't that good and just sat on the rest of the episodes. At the very least, while it may not be the best, I'm glad we have what we have for what may be the time being.
I do also think there should be centralized locations of physical backups if we're talking about preserving these rare Dragon media and since Sabat has the BA, I wonder if he'd be interested in these (at least the audio, eyetaches, OP/ED with a log of time-stamped edits)

[Robo4900]

Since it seems that he only has an EZcap (yes it's better than nothing) why don't we put together some money so he can take it to get professionally digitized? I wouldn't be against another fan doing it, but given the rarity of the tapes themselves you don't want them to go missing or someone hoarding either the tapes or the files (as it would have to be a condition of doing the tapes, but it might not necessarily be followed) I'd even be up to giving Sabat or someone the files too so he can store them, not for use but preservation with the BA audio.

At the end of the day, I'm just glad I got to see the episodes and he took the time to give them to us to view, granted my excitement for the dubbed started to wane by mid-episode 3 lol

Well, I know the user Arian is trustworthy to rip this stuff, if we're okay with another fan doing this. IIRC he has a DVHS deck and a nice capture card, so his captures would be pretty much the best anyone could possibly get out of these tapes.

It’s not hard to digitize a VHS properly using good amateur equipment (VCR with S-video out). Certainly the second thing anyone with a computer and some experience in video editing can do.

It would probably be a better idea to buy him a nice VCR and capture card than send it (dubious legality) to a professional,

VCR with S-video out isn't the only step. You also need an actually decent capture card, at least. But sure, a decent VHS deck and a decent capture card would probably be a decent use of funds if people are looking to raise some money to get a proper capture. Though I think a professional transfer might work too. It'll all depend on what Tom Servo and his source want to do.

Well I tried other methods and Handbrake was the only one I could get my head around, and it's what the site that i'm a member of recommended using anyways, so far i've not had any complaints of the quality any of the films i've uploaded on there.

Handbrake is an acceptable tool if you can't get your head around any of the serious software, and you want to shrink the size of your DVDs. But if you're even vaguely interested in preserving something like a rare VHS, you should stay the fuck away from anything like that.

and it’s that not hard to inverse-telecine telecined anime

You overestimate how hard it would be to semi-automate an inverse telecine of the raw VHS capture back to 24p without frame duplicates, assuming its a straight 3:2 pulldown on there without any blending.

I do not have the energy to argue this, so I'll just say this: If it's just for an encode shared alongside the raw cap, you can do whatever the hell you like, honestly.

True, it's up to him tho. I don't really care to see people crap on him if he chooses not to buy equipment, or send his tapes to a fan, is all because he didn't even have to look for the tapes or take the time to EZcap them or coulda called it quits when his encodes weren't that good and just sat on the rest of the episodes. At the very least, while it may not be the best, I'm glad we have what we have for what may be the time being.

1. No one's crapping on him.

2. "He didn't have to take the time to do this" is not a reason not to ask for a better capture of something so poorly-captured. Yes, he didn't have to do this. I think we all know that -- we're all adults here. I'm just asking for a better capture, not demanding that my new sworn enemy rights a great wrong in the world. This capture was poorly done; the guy made some easy-to-make mistakes. I don't think anyone here begrudges him for it. I'm just trying to ask that these mistakes get rectified, that's all. This isn't a lack of gratitude I'm expressing, this is constructive criticism regarding his setup, which is rather poor for preserving a rare VHS.

3. It's not just "not the best", these are exceptionally poor captures. Audio is incredibly distorted, video looks like a JPEG, there are black bars at the top and bottom because the video was rendered to a 4:3 resolution without actually fitting the video to a 4:3 frame, and it's been upscaled poorly, creating weird aliasing. Again, this is pretty much a worst-case scenario for a successful capture, and there is nothing wrong with asking for a better preservation of something unique like this. Obviously, everyone should be nice to the guy, and grateful as all hell that this stuff exists, and I am grateful. But these captures are utter shit, and there are a million things that could be done to get better results, many of which would require minimal effort from the owner of these tapes, so you can't blame me for asking for better.

[Zestanor]

. at the very least that needs to be out there in pcm/flac.

Agree 100%
Lossless audio takes up relatively little space next to video, even well encoded video. These days there’s not much reason to compress audio for projects like

[10gigtriforce]

my $.02: even if the video of an encode is 'ok', the compressed to crap and back low bitrate audio on most 'ok' encodes will hinder the fans/fan restorations/projects even more. at the very least that needs to be out there in pcm/flac. Thats how I do it at least when i find something to preserve. run it through my hd pvr 1212 since thats good enough video quality for me, mux the .ts file to mkv for my roku, then keep the raw audio from the capture on hand incase i/anyone ever needs it. as to me thats the most important part of preserving anime vhs, not to say the video isnt important, since its quality was a lot better than video back in the day its still good enough to be synced to newer releases.

Well I tried other methods and Handbrake was the only one I could get my head around, and it's what the site that i'm a member of recommended using anyways, so far i've not had any complaints of the quality any of the films i've uploaded on there.

I dont know much about handbreak, aside from doing dvd rips from it back in the days before I knew about makemkv, but as long as its not a multi-generational encode I've never personally had a problem with its quality.

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True, it's up to him tho. I don't really care to see people crap on him if he chooses not to buy equipment, or send his tapes to a fan, is all because he didn't even have to look for the tapes or take the time to EZcap them or coulda called it quits when his encodes weren't that good and just sat on the rest of the episodes. At the very least, while it may not be the best, I'm glad we have what we have for what may be the time being.
I do also think there should be centralized locations of physical backups if we're talking about preserving these rare Dragon media and since Sabat has the BA, I wonder if he'd be interested in these (at least the audio, eyetaches, OP/ED with a log of time-stamped edits)

I agree, i am happy we got something at all. though id be perfectly happy to donate a few bucks so he could get it professionally done if he reached out to the community.

[Robo4900]

. at the very least that needs to be out there in pcm/flac.

Agree 100%
Lossless audio takes up relatively little space next to video, even well encoded video. These days there’s not much reason to compress audio for projects like these.

Yeah.

Though lossless audio sadly doesn't mean much when the sound is as distorted as it is on these recordings. I don't know what went wrong, but these captures have fucked-up audio. Might be the VCR volume set too high, might be the EasyCap being shitty, I dunno. Whatever's going on, lossless audio would definitely be an improvement (though it's not an option in the software he's using: OBS), but there's more wrong with this than just the compression.

If his VCR has a headphone line out or something, perhaps one stopgap solution to the audio, at least, would be to hook that up to the PC's mic in and record it via Audacity or something.
Still leaves the severe video problems, but at least we might get good audio that way.

[Zestanor]

I do not have the energy to argue this, so I'll just say this: If it's just for an encode shared alongside the raw cap, you can do whatever the hell you like, honestly.

Basically yeah. Don’t dump the raw transfer, but an option optimized for actual pleasant viewing should be out there too. Unless you’re going to watch it on a SD tube TV, it’s gonna look like poop if you don’t convert to “progressive.” Unless there’s something I’m seriously ignorant about, the algorithm for an easy inverse telecine is something like this: separate the fields so you have 60 “frames” per second, delete every fifth frame (which is a duplicate of the third), weave the fields back together, and set the frame rate for 23.97. Maybe the field dominance changes halfway through or something, but that doesn’t make the task nigh impossible.

If his VCR has a headphone line out or something, perhaps one stopgap solution to the audio, at least, would be to hook that up to the PC's mic in and record it via Audacity or something.

that’s how I thought everyone did it lol. Trust propriety black box software/hardware as little as possible; align the video and audio feeds yourself.

[eledoremassis02]

Yes, I acknowledge that these captures could be done a lot better but it looks more of a case as "this is what I have to work with to get this out asap". The developments in this happened really quickly. Nothing wrong with asking for a better second try and providing suggestions and I hope he does give it a second shot, Id love to see what he can get out of them detail wise because I wonder if they got 16mm film or digibetas as their masters and I would love to get a better look at the fonts they used.

Id also like to know the particular history of these tapes. Are they raw recording, or were these copies of a tape that were traded at cons way back when?

[Robo4900]

Basically yeah. Don’t dump the raw transfer, but an option optimized for actual pleasant viewing should be out there too. Unless you’re going to watch it on a SD tube TV, it’s gonna look like poop if you don’t convert to “progressive.” Unless there’s something I’m seriously ignorant about, the algorithm for an easy inverse telecine is something like this: separate the fields so you have 60 “frames” per second, delete every fifth frame (which is a duplicate of the third), weave the fields back together, and set the frame rate for 23.97. Maybe the field dominance changes halfway through or something, but that doesn’t make the task nigh impossible.

You have it basically right. There's a lot more to it, but basically every piece of software you'd use for this will have an IVTC option (Avisynth does it via the tfm.tdecimate() line, for instance. I think MeGUI can automatically add this on importing a file), so it doesn't matter much.

Yes, I acknowledge that these captures could be done a lot better but it looks more of a case as "this is what I have to work with to get this out asap". The developments in this happened really quickly. Nothing wrong with asking for a better second try and providing suggestions and I hope he does give it a second shot, Id love to see what he can get out of them detail wise because I wonder if they got 16mm film or digibetas as their masters and I would love to get a better look at the fonts they used.

Id also like to know the particular history of these tapes. Are they raw recording, or were these copies of a tape that were traded at cons way back when?

Well, first off, there was never really any need to hurry this out, but yes, there is nothing wrong with a first try that's kinda screwy that's fixed later with a second try that gets it right.
TBH, I'm kinda hoping for a second go around at the other capture of episode 1 we got too; that one's quite flawed (lossy audio, poor video resolution, etc.) and could use a better second go.

Unfortunately, I think this tape is just in rough condition in general. I think it may be second-generation or more.
Either way, I don't think Harmony Gold were given 16mm film. They'd have been given a tape master, I'm sure.

[10gigtriforce]

Unfortunately, I think this tape is just in rough condition in general. I think it may be second-generation or more.
Either way, I don't think Harmony Gold were given 16mm film. They'd have been given a tape master, I'm sure.

Bruh... I didnt realize this until now. heck this was before digibeta was even a thing so svhs/super beta woulda been the best toei coulda given them without film. Yikes so even if this tape itself is a first gen recording from the tv its still a multi-generational source.

[eledoremassis02]

Well, first off, there was never really any need to hurry this out, but yes, there is nothing wrong with a first try that's kinda screwy that's fixed later with a second try that gets it right.
TBH, I'm kinda hoping for a second go around at the other capture of episode 1 we got too; that one's quite flawed (lossy audio, poor video resolution, etc.) and could use a better second go.

Unfortunately, I think this tape is just in rough condition in general. I think it may be second-generation or more.
Either way, I don't think Harmony Gold were given 16mm film. They'd have been given a tape master, I'm sure.

It didn't, but there could have easily become a gap in the process and the project could have died. We still don't have access to the BLT-Zero dub and there are at least two known digital copies that exist (3 if you count FUNi's master which seems to be preserved) digitally.

Doesn't FUNimation have 16mm for 1-13? I was wondering if they were HG hand-me-downs since it seems they got some in at least scripts from either HG themselves (or what I'd assume would be TOEI) unless HG was working from the same guides and translated scrips that Toei eventually gave FUNimation.

[10gigtriforce]

Well, first off, there was never really any need to hurry this out, but yes, there is nothing wrong with a first try that's kinda screwy that's fixed later with a second try that gets it right.
TBH, I'm kinda hoping for a second go around at the other capture of episode 1 we got too; that one's quite flawed (lossy audio, poor video resolution, etc.) and could use a better second go.

Unfortunately, I think this tape is just in rough condition in general. I think it may be second-generation or more.
Either way, I don't think Harmony Gold were given 16mm film. They'd have been given a tape master, I'm sure.

It didn't, but there could have easily become a gap in the process and the project could have died. We still don't have access to the BLT-Zero dub and there are at least two known digital copies that exist (3 if you count FUNi's master which seems to be preserved) digitally.

Doesn't FUNimation have 16mm for 1-13? I was wondering if they were HG hand-me-downs since it seems they got some in at least scripts from either HG themselves (or what I'd assume would be TOEI) unless HG was working from the same guides and translated scrips that Toei eventually gave FUNimation.

Supposedly they were planning to do 26 episodes for their first run, so if thats true they may have more film than that. Though I'm not sure when they started importing digibetas from other places instead of waiting on film from toei.

[Zestanor]

You have it basically right. There's a lot more to it, but basically every piece of software you'd use for this will have an IVTC option (Avisynth does it via the tfm.tdecimate() line, for instance. I think MeGUI can automatically add this on importing a file), so it doesn't matter much.

Gotcha. I did some very simple editing of personal VHS recordings with avisynth several years ago. It wasn’t from a film source, but I got familiar enough with that software that I figured inverse telecine would be a fairly standard operation for it. If I remember correctly, one of the main uses for avisynth in the places I looked for help back then was inverse-telecining old fansub anime tapes. No need to reinvent to wheel here imo with fancy modern software.

Doesn't FUNimation have 16mm for 1-13? I was wondering if they were HG hand-me-downs since it seems they got some in at least scripts from either HG themselves (or what I'd assume would be TOEI) unless HG was working from the same guides and translated scrips that Toei eventually gave FUNimation.

IIRC the blue bricks, especially for the early episodes are obviously zoomed in. Either Funi doesn’t have film for DB at all, or they at least don’t have it for the early episodes. I think...

[Robo4900]

It didn't, but there could have easily become a gap in the process and the project could have died. We still don't have access to the BLT-Zero dub and there are at least two known digital copies that exist (3 if you count FUNi's master which seems to be preserved) digitally.

I don't think this would have died.

As for BLT Zero... I heard that someone who has a copy said they'd share it once Tom Servo got the Harmony Gold stuff out there. But I've yet to see that materialise.

Doesn't FUNimation have 16mm for 1-13? I was wondering if they were HG hand-me-downs since it seems they got some in at least scripts from either HG themselves (or what I'd assume would be TOEI) unless HG was working from the same guides and translated scrips that Toei eventually gave FUNimation.

Supposedly they were planning to do 26 episodes for their first run, so if thats true they may have more film than that. Though I'm not sure when they started importing digibetas from other places instead of waiting on film from toei.

Funimation only have film for DBZ and the original 17 movies.

All 153 episodes of DB on Funimation's masters are, and have always been, DigiBeta.

[Zestanor]

All 153 episodes of DB on Funimation's masters are, and have always been, DigiBeta.

Which makes you wonder what the heck was the point of the blue brick “remaster.”

[Planetnamek]

Since it seems that he only has an EZcap (yes it's better than nothing) why don't we put together some money so he can take it to get professionally digitized? I wouldn't be against another fan doing it, but given the rarity of the tapes themselves you don't want them to go missing or someone hoarding either the tapes or the files (as it would have to be a condition of doing the tapes, but it might not necessarily be followed) I'd even be up to giving Sabat or someone the files too so he can store them, not for use but preservation with the BA audio.

At the end of the day, I'm just glad I got to see the episodes and he took the time to give them to us to view, granted my excitement for the dubbed started to wane by mid-episode 3 lol

Well, I know the user Arian is trustworthy to rip this stuff, if we're okay with another fan doing this. IIRC he has a DVHS deck and a nice capture card, so his captures would be pretty much the best anyone could possibly get out of these tapes.

It’s not hard to digitize a VHS properly using good amateur equipment (VCR with S-video out). Certainly the second thing anyone with a computer and some experience in video editing can do.

It would probably be a better idea to buy him a nice VCR and capture card than send it (dubious legality) to a professional,

VCR with S-video out isn't the only step. You also need an actually decent capture card, at least. But sure, a decent VHS deck and a decent capture card would probably be a decent use of funds if people are looking to raise some money to get a proper capture. Though I think a professional transfer might work too. It'll all depend on what Tom Servo and his source want to do.

Well I tried other methods and Handbrake was the only one I could get my head around, and it's what the site that i'm a member of recommended using anyways, so far i've not had any complaints of the quality any of the films i've uploaded on there.

Handbrake is an acceptable tool if you can't get your head around any of the serious software, and you want to shrink the size of your DVDs. But if you're even vaguely interested in preserving something like a rare VHS, you should stay the fuck away from anything like that.

and it’s that not hard to inverse-telecine telecined anime

You overestimate how hard it would be to semi-automate an inverse telecine of the raw VHS capture back to 24p without frame duplicates, assuming its a straight 3:2 pulldown on there without any blending.

I do not have the energy to argue this, so I'll just say this: If it's just for an encode shared alongside the raw cap, you can do whatever the hell you like, honestly.

True, it's up to him tho. I don't really care to see people crap on him if he chooses not to buy equipment, or send his tapes to a fan, is all because he didn't even have to look for the tapes or take the time to EZcap them or coulda called it quits when his encodes weren't that good and just sat on the rest of the episodes. At the very least, while it may not be the best, I'm glad we have what we have for what may be the time being.

1. No one's crapping on him.

2. "He didn't have to take the time to do this" is not a reason not to ask for a better capture of something so poorly-captured. Yes, he didn't have to do this. I think we all know that -- we're all adults here. I'm just asking for a better capture, not demanding that my new sworn enemy rights a great wrong in the world. This capture was poorly done; the guy made some easy-to-make mistakes. I don't think anyone here begrudges him for it. I'm just trying to ask that these mistakes get rectified, that's all. This isn't a lack of gratitude I'm expressing, this is constructive criticism regarding his setup, which is rather poor for preserving a rare VHS.

3. It's not just "not the best", these are exceptionally poor captures. Audio is incredibly distorted, video looks like a JPEG, there are black bars at the top and bottom because the video was rendered to a 4:3 resolution without actually fitting the video to a 4:3 frame, and it's been upscaled poorly, creating weird aliasing. Again, this is pretty much a worst-case scenario for a successful capture, and there is nothing wrong with asking for a better preservation of something unique like this. Obviously, everyone should be nice to the guy, and grateful as all hell that this stuff exists, and I am grateful. But these captures are utter shit, and there are a million things that could be done to get better results, many of which would require minimal effort from the owner of these tapes, so you can't blame me for asking for better.

For the rare VHS i should mention it was someone else that did the actual ripping of the tapes, then they sent me the video files in the MP4 format, and I had to use Handbrake to shrink them down because the site i'm a part of does not allow films to be uploaded in the MP4 format, it has to be something like MKV.

[10gigtriforce]

All 153 episodes of DB on Funimation's masters are, and have always been, DigiBeta.

Which makes you wonder what the heck was the point of the blue brick “remaster.”

DNR and kidmark's license to publish the 13 + movie 1 1995 episodes of dragon ball expiring, so they could do a full release in a similar style to orange bricks. just with zoom in not crop

[10gigtriforce]

Since it seems that he only has an EZcap (yes it's better than nothing) why don't we put together some money so he can take it to get professionally digitized? I wouldn't be against another fan doing it, but given the rarity of the tapes themselves you don't want them to go missing or someone hoarding either the tapes or the files (as it would have to be a condition of doing the tapes, but it might not necessarily be followed) I'd even be up to giving Sabat or someone the files too so he can store them, not for use but preservation with the BA audio.

At the end of the day, I'm just glad I got to see the episodes and he took the time to give them to us to view, granted my excitement for the dubbed started to wane by mid-episode 3 lol

Well, I know the user Arian is trustworthy to rip this stuff, if we're okay with another fan doing this. IIRC he has a DVHS deck and a nice capture card, so his captures would be pretty much the best anyone could possibly get out of these tapes.

It’s not hard to digitize a VHS properly using good amateur equipment (VCR with S-video out). Certainly the second thing anyone with a computer and some experience in video editing can do.

It would probably be a better idea to buy him a nice VCR and capture card than send it (dubious legality) to a professional,

VCR with S-video out isn't the only step. You also need an actually decent capture card, at least. But sure, a decent VHS deck and a decent capture card would probably be a decent use of funds if people are looking to raise some money to get a proper capture. Though I think a professional transfer might work too. It'll all depend on what Tom Servo and his source want to do.

Well I tried other methods and Handbrake was the only one I could get my head around, and it's what the site that i'm a member of recommended using anyways, so far i've not had any complaints of the quality any of the films i've uploaded on there.

Handbrake is an acceptable tool if you can't get your head around any of the serious software, and you want to shrink the size of your DVDs. But if you're even vaguely interested in preserving something like a rare VHS, you should stay the fuck away from anything like that.

I do not have the energy to argue this, so I'll just say this: If it's just for an encode shared alongside the raw cap, you can do whatever the hell you like, honestly.

True, it's up to him tho. I don't really care to see people crap on him if he chooses not to buy equipment, or send his tapes to a fan, is all because he didn't even have to look for the tapes or take the time to EZcap them or coulda called it quits when his encodes weren't that good and just sat on the rest of the episodes. At the very least, while it may not be the best, I'm glad we have what we have for what may be the time being.

1. No one's crapping on him.

2. "He didn't have to take the time to do this" is not a reason not to ask for a better capture of something so poorly-captured. Yes, he didn't have to do this. I think we all know that -- we're all adults here. I'm just asking for a better capture, not demanding that my new sworn enemy rights a great wrong in the world. This capture was poorly done; the guy made some easy-to-make mistakes. I don't think anyone here begrudges him for it. I'm just trying to ask that these mistakes get rectified, that's all. This isn't a lack of gratitude I'm expressing, this is constructive criticism regarding his setup, which is rather poor for preserving a rare VHS.

3. It's not just "not the best", these are exceptionally poor captures. Audio is incredibly distorted, video looks like a JPEG, there are black bars at the top and bottom because the video was rendered to a 4:3 resolution without actually fitting the video to a 4:3 frame, and it's been upscaled poorly, creating weird aliasing. Again, this is pretty much a worst-case scenario for a successful capture, and there is nothing wrong with asking for a better preservation of something unique like this. Obviously, everyone should be nice to the guy, and grateful as all hell that this stuff exists, and I am grateful. But these captures are utter shit, and there are a million things that could be done to get better results, many of which would require minimal effort from the owner of these tapes, so you can't blame me for asking for better.

For the rare VHS i should mention it was someone else that did the actual ripping of the tapes, then they sent me the video files in the MP4 format, and I had to use Handbrake to shrink them down because the site i'm a part of does not allow films to be uploaded in the MP4 format, it has to be something like MKV.

MKVtoolnix will let you put the video in an mkv container without re-encoding and hitting the a/v quality.

[superrayman3]

Still curious why they skipped move 2 though

If we're using content as the possible reason for why HG dropped the series early on then it might be possible that movie 2 was also skipped because of the subject matter possibly being too dark or not fitting within the tone of the rest of the series which I can kinda see, DB movie 2 is a unique piece in the franchise so it makes sense (the only way it would have probably seen an official release is if was released by another company like Streamline Pictures for example), as for why they used movie 2 footage in the intro, it was probably to make the series seem edgier, that's all I can think of (I still think the tapes should "baked" before doing another transfer if it hasn't already been tried yet, this piece of history should be preserved as best as possible because we may never get a chance like this ever again ).