Is it time to accept Faulconer OST did it better than the original?

[MasenkoHA]

Bit rich to call anything dull, dreary and repetitive when compared to the Faulconer score

[ABED]

Faulconer's score more popular? What's that assertion based on what?

[Rory]

It's no surprise at all that the Faulconer score ended up drastically more popular.

This has to be bait.
If not, you're aware nearly every single country has the Kikiuchi score, right? Only the US got it from mid-Freeza to Boo. Even other English speaking countries who got Faulconer only had it for a very short period before the Westwood dub took over.

[Thunderbird]

If not, you're aware nearly every single country has the Kikiuchi score, right?

This doesn't relate to my comment.

[Cure Dragon 255]

It may not, but facts are that there are literally more millions of people that love the Kikuchi score than the Faulconer score.

[Metalwario64]

It's time to accept Kikuchi as your lord and saviour kid.

Too late, OP’s already gone.

Yeah I noticed that, their profile says "not banned" though clicking on it does not turn up anything.

In all my years here, I don't think I've ever seen an account completely zapped like that! I usually check a banned user's post history to see why they were given the boot, but obviously can't in this case. Was it because of this bait thread?

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

Too late, OP’s already gone.

Yeah I noticed that, their profile says "not banned" though clicking on it does not turn up anything.

In all my years here, I don't think I've ever seen an account completely zapped like that! I usually check a banned user's post history to see why they were given the boot, but obviously can't in this case. Was it because of this bait thread?

I know he made some posts earlier in the thread basically saying he was going to keep on with crap until he got banned and it seems the moderators finally cut him off at the pass.

I mean, they weren't just going to let this slide.

Spoiler:

The title seems very flame baity to me. Nothing beats the original Japanese score if you ask me.

The majority of Kokonoe's threads since returning from their temporary ban have been transparently bait-based, and if they think we don't see that, then... Hmm.

People respond in good faith so we let them stand.

Ehehe. Oh I'm not hiding anything. From my avatar being a Hamtaro mashup of the dude from Ninja Scroll, to various topics and responses I'm just here to fuck around. Why? Simple.

My first 3 month ban here was telling some alt-right dude to fuck off. My second 3 month ban was responding to Kunzait in the disrespectful way he was talking to me. However big boy VegettoEX make no mistake is a ridiculous Japanese purist with this series so Kunzait wasn't and will not be punished for most of the rude or incorrect statements he makes because he's saying the things VegettoEX likes.

Don't forget, Mr VegettoEX use to ban people for saying "Destructo Disc". He's certainly not as professional as he likes to come across, at the end of the day he's just another fan like everyone else.

When I received my previous ban I sent VegettoEX a message requested it be made a permanent ban and it went on deaf ears.

So I thought to myself, "what would be a funny way to get myself banned?", and it came to me. I would emulate how other people have communicated on this website and portray myself how people behind the scenes talk to me. And oh yes, Zephyr, Hellspawn, and Kunzait. I have eyes in your little Discord. And yes that was me with the Winnie the Pooh.

You could say I was inspired by Cipher's self proclaimed "April Fools" post in a discussion thread.

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If Dragon Ball Z came back on TV, it would have the Faulconer score, and I'll tell you why.

While you weaboos were sucking on your mothers' tits at the nerd library jacking off to Yu-Gi-Oh volumes, I was hitting the gym every god.damn.day listening to the real-ass OG original Dragon Ball FUCKING Z (epic!) with my boy Bruce playing through my apple wristwatch. That's right. I bring my apple watch to the gym. I do a hundred reps. I do a hundred-fifty reps. I do two-hundred fucking reps because it doesn't matter; I've got screaming and endless electric guitar noodling in my ear. It's a living hell that I can't get enough of. Vegeta, Prince of Saiyans, is my boy. Gohan is my boy. Toriyama is my boy. Bruce Faulconer is my boy. Because Toriyama knows his series is bad-ass and epic and this Mickey Moused electronic VHS-porn-styled soundscape is just the way it was meant to be seen. I lift to that every fucking minute and it gets me rock hard. What? You've never popped a boner to Dragon Ball? I do it every day when I leave my girl in bed because it's so epic. Babies cry, and maybe while you sissies are listening to DB with spaghetti-Western violin noodling and boings, your eyes get wet like little girls, I'm busy being a muscular manchild watching the Ginyu Assault saga with with my boy Bruce.

I don't approach media any differently than when I was a kid.

Sometimes when I'm doing six or seven shots of protein, I put on the Kikuchi score as a joke. My girlfriend comes out and she says, "Why are you playing this joke?" Then I tell her not to bother me because I'm on fucking Reddit. I play Vegeta vs. Pui Pui with my boy BF (what! what!) because it gets me pumped and it is so epic.

I don't need to tell you that it's more epic.

It's more epic and cooler.

I haven't watched a full episode since I was ten.

I am unemployed.

Get back to the anime bookstore you nerds.
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So until I get the ban I'm wanting, I'm going to keep creating these threads. And they are going to get progressively worse.

I do not like this place, nor do I like the people here. I consider you people overtly self important and honestly kind of ridiculous. So it's been fun giving that a bit back lately.

[VegettoEX]

Don't be baited into circular conversations about the same thing over and over, and don't feel the need to discuss other users' behavior or account status. If you feel something does not live up to the spirit of the community guidelines, you are always welcome to report it and let a moderator handle it. Thanks!

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

@VegettoEX

Ok, will do. I'll just do that from now on if a user is doing something improper or whatever else.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Mr. Vegetto EX. I like you a lot and I know that we've had plenty of trolling and overall bad faith stuff going on but my thread I just made was NOT for trolling! It was a serious and whole hearted attempt at a discussion. I love Kikuchi and I think its the superior score but I just wanted to know if kids could have liked the Faulconer score better. Sure the phrasing could have been better and my intent could have been made clearer but its not a troll thread. If its not too much of a bother I would love it if was re opened or at least get an explanation on why was it closed.

[GhostEmperorX]

made the show look like 20 years older than it is.

That would be more of Toei's fault for throwing away the proper audio. Even if it is indeed sounding like something out of the 70's or decades before the proper audio renders that irrelevant.
In other words, find the broadcast audio instead of the garbage optical that Toei went with.

[Melee_Sovereign]

At the end of the day, the Faulconer soundtrack does a really good job at catering to kids and transforming the show from "characters powering up via dramatic moments" to "characters powering up and it a cool af moment" which is basically what American tv wanted i guess.
However its totally not suitable for any form of story delivery or drama, and its inability to use silence enhances this.
I've enjoyed it as a kid but i've grown out of it.

This is basically where I stand. Faulconer's music is intended to sound cool, and quite frankly it does. I enjoy it. And I also think it was a good move on Funi to change the soundtrack from the original to Faulconer's compositions to help introduce the show to Americans.

That said, the Japanese track just works better in the way you mentioned. I feel it enhances the emotion of the show, and the events in it a lot better. It makes it feel way more mature than the Faulconer soundtrack. It makes the show feel more personal as well. And yeah, I've always hated the fact that the Faulconer track never shuts up.

[ABED]

There is every reason to think the show would've been just as popular, so there was no reason to change the music.

[GhostEmperorX]

There is every reason to think the show would've been just as popular, so there was no reason to change the music.

However, “muh exceptionalism” just had to screw things up even there.

[Majin Buu]

This is basically where I stand. Faulconer's music is intended to sound cool, and quite frankly it does.

To each their own, but to me, it always came off more as trying to be cool as opposed to actually being cool. It's like a person that constantly has to tell people that they're cool: A person that's truly "cool" shouldn't have to do that as it will be evident in their behavior.

I can already see that this stuff is cool based on the visuals, I don't need the music screaming in my ear that it's cool too, especially when it has more important duties to perform like enhancing the drama and emotion; which as you said, the Falconer score fails to do. Anyone that doesn't find this stuff cool to begin with isn't going to be convinced by the music screaming it at them non-stop.

It's a symptom of the dub's tendency to execute everything with the subtly of a rock, and it reeks of a very patronizing mindset towards their audience: "We can't have any silence because then kids will get bored and change the channel." "We can't have a score that enhances the drama and emotion of the story because kids won't get that this stuff is cool".

[ABED]

There is every reason to think the show would've been just as popular, so there was no reason to change the music.

However, “muh exceptionalism” just had to screw things up even there.

Don't have the first clue what you mean.

[Planetnamek]

This is basically where I stand. Faulconer's music is intended to sound cool, and quite frankly it does.

To each their own, but to me, it always came off more as trying to be cool as opposed to actually being cool. It's like a person that constantly has to tell people that they're cool: A person that's truly "cool" shouldn't have to do that as it will be evident in their behavior.

I can already see that this stuff is cool based on the visuals, I don't need the music screaming in my ear that it's cool too, especially when it has more important duties to perform like enhancing the drama and emotion; which as you said, the Falconer score fails to do. Anyone that doesn't find this stuff cool to begin with isn't going to be convinced by the music screaming it at them non-stop.

It's a symptom of the dub's tendency to execute everything with the subtly of a rock, and it reeks of a very patronizing mindset towards their audience: "We can't have any silence because then kids will get bored and change the channel." "We can't have a score that enhances the drama and emotion of the story because kids won't get that this stuff is cool".

I personally never felt patronized in the least when watching it, but you do have a point about the visuals alone being cool enough, as I mentioned before I never paid much attention to the music as a kid due to being too busy being enthralled by the action. I think the score is pretty cool but I can see why it turns people off.

[GhostEmperorX]

There is every reason to think the show would've been just as popular, so there was no reason to change the music.

However, “muh exceptionalism” just had to screw things up even there.

Don't have the first clue what you mean.

Talking in relation to the U.S. Something about "American exceptionalism" and all that.
Even when it comes to media there's that sort of thing as productions from other countries were usually different in America than in just about the rest of the world. Usually altered in one way or the other.

[ABED]

However, “muh exceptionalism” just had to screw things up even there.

Don't have the first clue what you mean.

Talking in relation to the U.S. Something about "American exceptionalism" and all that.
Even when it comes to media there's that sort of thing as productions from other countries were usually different in America than in just about the rest of the world. Usually altered in one way or the other.

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

[Melee_Sovereign]

Anyone that doesn't find this stuff cool to begin with isn't going to be convinced by the music screaming it at them non-stop.

You can say that for any background music. By that same token, the Japanese soundtrack isn't going to convince anyone that it enhances the drama or emotion of the show. You don't need it either. The show already has it. By that same token, a good scary movie that's actually scary, doesn't need scary sounding background music.

What do you think the entire point of background music is? It's to accentuate the qualities a show already has (as well as help set a certain tone). Different types of background music has different purposes. Faulconer's music aims to accentuate the "cool" factor, but it doesn't intend to do much more than that (and fair enough if you think it does a bad job at this one thing). The Japanese tracks aims to accentuate the mood, drama, and emotional weight of the show. And they both set a tone, but they both set a very different tone.

It's a symptom of the dub's tendency to execute everything with the subtly of a rock, and it reeks of a very patronizing mindset towards their audience: "We can't have any silence because then kids will get bored and change the channel." "We can't have a score that enhances the drama and emotion of the story because kids won't get that this stuff is cool".

This is all a fair viewpoint, but it also shows that you understand that the Faulconer tracks (just like any soundtrack) has a profound affect on the overall feel of the show. Which, in your case, you feel that it has a negative affect (fair enough). But none the less, the affect is there and recognizable. This does not mesh with the line of reasoning that a soundtrack isn't needed to accentuate the quality a show has. That line of reasoning also works in the reverse direction. Meaning, you shouldn't get bothered by a soundtrack you don't like, because it shouldn't take away from the qualities in a show you already recognize are there.

I agree. The Faulconer track does take way some of the more meaningful qualities of the show. I agree completely, although I don't think I'm as bothered by it as you are. I overall still like it. I'm glad the Faulconer track exists. I do think the Japanese track is better overall, but I still don't hate the Faulconer track. I'm glad it's one option among many in ways to experience Dragon Ball.

Many people wish they can experience what they like for the first time again. The first time I watched Dragon Ball Z in Japanese, it felt like I was watching it for the very first time again. That wouldn't have happened for me without the Faulconer track existing.